Haswell Prediction Poll: Sept? dGPU?

[GSPice]

Idk all that talk in the Waiting for Haswell thread made it seem obviously significant that Iris Pro is good with most everything except 3D and rendering. The benchmarks of the iMac praise it too. So I don't see that changing. Unless the HD4600 is up there too, which it isn't haha

Oh you're right I wouldn't expect the 4600 to ever outdo the 5200 but depending on what Apple does with the assumed 750M, there may not be as big of a gap between the 5200's strengths and the 750M's weakness. Apples and oranges, but it's the cards we'd be dealt.

 

[Vanilla35]

Oh you're right I wouldn't expect the 4600 to ever outdo the 5200 but depending on what Apple does with the assumed 750M, there may not be as big of a gap between the 5200's strengths and the 750M's weakness. Apples and oranges, but it's the cards we'd be dealt.

That's what I'm saying though. The apples to oranges part alone will always dictate a noticeable margin in these "said" areas.

 

[GSPice]

That's what I'm saying though. The apples to oranges part alone will always dictate a noticeable margin in these "said" areas.

Even if Apple improves the switching mechanism?

 

[segalas]

lol so solid. This is about as good an explanation as any.

Well said. I can imagine the 13'' model to have the Iris Pro 5200; the 15'' will likely be equipped with the 4600 iGPU + over clocked 650M due to heat and power consumption. It would be grand to have IGZO displays this next release.

 

[B...]

Well said. I can imagine the 13'' model to have the Iris Pro 5200

It will most likely not.

 

[actuallyinaus]

Well said. I can imagine the 13'' model to have the Iris Pro 5200; the 15'' will likely be equipped with the 4600 iGPU + over clocked 650M due to heat and power consumption. It would be grand to have IGZO displays this next release.

the 13" will not have iris pro 5200 as the 5200s are only for quad core chips, the 13" will have 5100

 

[Vanilla35]

Even if Apple improves the switching mechanism?

Well people have already mentioned the graphic switching issue is a little better, but still pretty bad with Mavericks. Also, I feel like apple will use the 700 series automatic graphic switching because that's built in (maybe - unless they had that disabled which would be weird) which seems like it may be worse haha.

But either way that's not what I meant, because Iris Pro doesn't have commendable openGL and 3D marks - but makes substantial openCL benchies, making it is an orange, compared to the dGPU, which does the opposite, and is the standard apple - I guess.

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http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4636#sp

I just want apple to put the 760M in there. I mean come onnn, the 14" Razer did it (which is smaller in every dimension), and I'm seeing a few computers like the one lised above, which still sport very similar chassis dimensions which are able to handle it too.

It would mean they'd probably remain the same battery life, because it would sacrifice the Haswell gains in orer to put more power in there. But non-dGPU usage would go up I suppose. Probs very small battery life gains

 

[dusk007]

the 13" will not have iris pro 5200 as the 5200s are only for quad core chips, the 13" will have 5100

Technically it wouldn't be difficult for Intel to deliver a 37W Quad Core chip with HD 5200. Apple would just have to ask for it. The 13" can definitely handle a 37W chip if it has to.
The geekbench with the 28W chip and the lack of any 37W Iris Pro in Intels pricelist point to Apple not willing to go that route.
I am quite sure it is only because Apple wants to push people that want Quad Cores to pay for much more expensive 15" notebooks.

 

[GSPice]

Well people have already mentioned the graphic switching issue is a little better, but still pretty bad with Mavericks. Also, I feel like apple will use the 700 series automatic graphic switching because that's built in (maybe - unless they had that disabled which would be weird) which seems like it may be worse haha.

But either way that's not what I meant, because Iris Pro doesn't have commendable openGL and 3D marks - but makes substantial openCL benchies, making it is an orange, compared to the dGPU, which does the opposite, and is the standard apple - I guess.

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http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4636#sp

I just want apple to put the 760M in there. I mean come onnn, the 14" Razer did it (which is smaller in every dimension), and I'm seeing a few computers like the one lised above, which still sport very similar chassis dimensions which are able to handle it too.

It would mean they'd probably remain the same battery life, because it would sacrifice the Haswell gains in orer to put more power in there. But non-dGPU usage would go up I suppose. Probs very small battery life gains

+100000 on the Razer!! It's like, come on Apple! You DO see what the cheaper, smaller competitors are using!?

I suppose the strongest argument against a 760 is that Apple is getting a deal with all the 750s they're purchasing for the iMacs.

At that point, like that notebookcheck page mentioned about the 750M - Apple better overclock the living transistors out of it. I will buy a lap ice pack if I have to. Just pull out all the stops Apple!

 

[draculr]

I just want apple to put the 760M in there. I mean come onnn, the 14" Razer did it (which is smaller in every dimension), and I'm seeing a few computers like the one lised above, which still sport very similar chassis dimensions which are able to handle it too.

Razer Blade has a 2GB 765M. Which is why I hope Apple uses that rather than a 760M!

 

[Vanilla35]

Razer Blade has a 2GB 765M. Which is why I hope Apple uses that rather than a 760M!

Damn, 765M?! How do they cool that thing? That must be one hot slab of metal. Either way, I'd take that any day over "apple specs". Damn, I'm gonna be jelly if we're stuck with a 750M. For sure.

Lol the 765M has 3500 million transistors (1300 million for 750M)....apple's cooling must look like amateur business if Razer properly cools that chip.

 

[Mr MM]

Damn, 765M?! How do they cool that thing? That must be one hot slab of metal. Either way, I'd take that any day over "apple specs". Damn, I'm gonna be jelly if we're stuck with a 750M. For sure.

Lol the 765M has 3500 million transistors (1300 million for 750M)....apple's cooling must look like amateur business if Razer properly cools that chip.

they cool it really well, both are not throttled and can push their boost clocks nicely. and guess what? its silent, even when gaming the thing is barely audible. Now that I know that the HDMI in there is really 1.4 and that it indeed supports more than 1080p, Im seriously thinking on getting that or waiting for the r2, too bad that thing would never have a TB port for docking purposes.

OH! and you can even add another msata SSD, razer even goes to use the port that is underneath the cables, leaving you the easy to access msata that is right in the middle, so yes you can have 1tb of storage. too bad its not pcie yet

basically the flaws on this model are, mba quality of screen and the limited port numbers

btw, the 760m/765m consume a LOT of power, the psu needed for that would need to be at least 120w

 

[dusk007]

Considering the price of the Razer it is so weird that they would use such a crappy cheap screen. It makes some sense to use a TN versus an IPS panel and even the resolution is not the worst idea but the contrast in shooters were you crawl around in dark sewers is just a pain. They should update it with one of those new IGZO panels. With that high resolution you can set any in game resolution without a problem and the notebooks would sell like, well I don't no the right English figure of speech. Germans would say like warm buns.

 

[Mr MM]

Considering the price of the Razer it is so weird that they would use such a crappy cheap screen. It makes some sense to use a TN versus an IPS panel and even the resolution is not the worst idea but the contrast in shooters were you crawl around in dark sewers is just a pain. They should update it with one of those new IGZO panels. With that high resolution you can set any in game resolution without a problem and the notebooks would sell like, well I don't no the right English figure of speech. Germans would say like warm buns.

I agree. I wanted the IGZO panel so much. or simply at least use the x1 carbon panel, its mbp quality

 

[Serban]

Apple for macbook pro 15" will use only 750M/755M or 775M but the last one is kind of hard maybe only in a 17" MBP if they release..so for 15" we can expect to a 750M or 755M

 

[Mr MM]

Apple for macbook pro 15" will use only 750M/755M or 775M but the last one is kind of hard maybe only in a 17" MBP if they release..so for 15" we can expect to a 750M or 755M

the 775m is 100w of tdp. there is no way in freaking hell that they will use that in any possible notebook

 

[GSPice]

btw, the 760m/765m consume a LOT of power, the psu needed for that would need to be at least 120w

Odd, everything I've read about the GT 760M pegs it at 50-55 watts. Unless you're talking about the ps for the entire notebook?

 

[Serban]

the 775m is 100w of tdp. there is no way in freaking hell that they will use that in any possible notebook

17" macbook can use 775M because the 18" alienware use dual 780M

 

[B...]

17" macbook can use 775M because the 18" alienware use dual 780M

And it's 1.5 inches thick. Or more.

 

[powerslave12r]

Considering the price of the Razer it is so weird that they would use such a crappy cheap screen. It makes some sense to use a TN versus an IPS panel and even the resolution is not the worst idea but the contrast in shooters were you crawl around in dark sewers is just a pain. They should update it with one of those new IGZO panels. With that high resolution you can set any in game resolution without a problem and the notebooks would sell like, well I don't no the right English figure of speech. Germans would say like warm buns.

The screen is the reason I don't have the blade right now, and I don't even game!

 

[Dirt Bringer]

Considering the price of the Razer it is so weird that they would use such a crappy cheap screen. It makes some sense to use a TN versus an IPS panel and even the resolution is not the worst idea but the contrast in shooters were you crawl around in dark sewers is just a pain. They should update it with one of those new IGZO panels. With that high resolution you can set any in game resolution without a problem and the notebooks would sell like, well I don't no the right English figure of speech. Germans would say like warm buns.

The term you are looking for in english is "Like Hot Cakes". Surprisingly similar actually.

 

[Vanilla35]

they cool it really well, both are not throttled and can push their boost clocks nicely. and guess what? its silent, even when gaming the thing is barely audible. Now that I know that the HDMI in there is really 1.4 and that it indeed supports more than 1080p, Im seriously thinking on getting that or waiting for the r2, too bad that thing would never have a TB port for docking purposes.

OH! and you can even add another msata SSD, razer even goes to use the port that is underneath the cables, leaving you the easy to access msata that is right in the middle, so yes you can have 1tb of storage. too bad its not pcie yet

basically the flaws on this model are, mba quality of screen and the limited port numbers

btw, the 760m/765m consume a LOT of power, the psu needed for that would need to be at least 120w

I agree completely it is quite beautiful and very welcome competition as it is probably the first to really compare to the rMBP in the past year. With 8 hours of battery life and a 765M though, one questions how much the TDP really hurts it. The obvious comparison would say that because it has a normal HD screen (non-retina) that is why it achieves 8 hours, like the rMBP. I think the Razer Blade will be a beast with broadwell. Even more performance and I'm sure they'd put a better screen in by then.

Considering the price of the Razer it is so weird that they would use such a crappy cheap screen. It makes some sense to use a TN versus an IPS panel and even the resolution is not the worst idea but the contrast in shooters were you crawl around in dark sewers is just a pain. They should update it with one of those new IGZO panels. With that high resolution you can set any in game resolution without a problem and the notebooks would sell like, well I don't no the right English figure of speech. Germans would say like warm buns.

Yeah I've got to say that's absolutely unforgivable haha. It looks like someone clearly showed no incentive in putting a quality screen in there. Their project manager probably said "Do x x and x, don't worry about the screen". Because they really did the bare minimum. It's disappointing. I think Their next model will offer many more benefits in terms of a complete package. I'm not a fan of the whole Razer theme (keys and such) but if the next iteration of the Razer blade has the next step up from a 765M while apple sticks with the the next 750M bump, I mayyy actually have a choice then

Germans would say like warm buns.

Lol that sounds like something my mom would say. She's German ofc

the 775m is 100w of tdp. there is no way in freaking hell that they will use that in any possible notebook

Yeah I really don't think the 775M is within reach haha. I have yet to see that in anything smaller than a brick, so it must be extremely heat laden.

Odd, everything I've read about the GT 760M pegs it at 50-55 watts. Unless you're talking about the ps for the entire notebook?

Yeah and the 765M is supposed to be around 60-75 (50-75 according to notebookcheck). So I think he meant Iris Pro, plus 765M?? (47+75=120)

 

[GSPice]

Yeah and the 765M is supposed to be around 60-75 (50-75 according to notebookcheck). So I think he meant Iris Pro, plus 765M?? (47+75=120)

I guess so. I suppose this is one reason why they can stick a 765 in the Razer, because it doesn't have a magical retina display requiring that extra power.

 

[Vanilla35]

I guess so. I suppose this is one reason why they can stick a 765 in the Razer, because it doesn't have a magical retina display requiring that extra power.

They could have put one in (high res, better contrast/saturation) and shortened battery life from 8 to 6 hours and I'd be much happier. But I think their focus was in not worrying about that haha. Seems stupid. Because there is no way they didn't think of/notice that. They must have just purposely decided they didn't want to make the screen decent.

 

[GSPice]

They could have put one in (high res, better contrast/saturation) and shortened battery life from 8 to 6 hours and I'd be much happier. But I think their focus was in not worrying about that haha. Seems stupid. Because there is no way they didn't think of/notice that. They must have just purposely decided they didn't want to make the screen decent.

Yeah - and cost too. They probably have nowhere near Apple's buying power to source retina screens without significantly increasing the price of the notebook. Probably much better margins the way they did it.