Have you reverted to a previous version of macOS after trying out Tahoe and if so what version? (POLL)

[Omega Mac]

Throughout all the Tahoe sentiment topics, there are endless posts from users who switched back to at least the previous macOS after spending some time on one or more beta or RC versions of Tahoe (or are waiting it out on their current macOS versions) - on balance to have that market metric in one place seems like a good idea, and clarifying, as opposed to another do you like do you not like poll, this is a more tangible and consequential of real world day to day use case metrics.

Note - There is provision also for linux, windows or other as options, for users who decided to side-step or totally jump ship for whatever reason.

For those sticking with Tahoe, that option is at the end (how could I forgot that one!)

Finally, added a "waiting it out" option also at the end for the hanger-on'ers.

 

[maflynn]

I did not revert/downgrade - Tahoe is fine by my reckoning.

 

[Madonepro]

As there are over 1 million members on MacRumors, and a 100 million active Apple users worldwide, lot's hope your poll is representative of that audience, before jumping to a conclusion. Oh wait...

 

[Omega Mac]

As there are over 1 million members on MacRumors, and a 100 million active Apple users worldwide, lot's hope your poll is representative of that audience, before jumping to a conclusion. Oh wait...

Generally they say circa 1K sample size or thereabouts with a 3-5% margin of error is adequate/typicaly of polls online, in the media, etc.

If Macrumors has a user base of 1 million, then there is a good chance of hitting a decent sample size. It will still be indicative of active MR users, and anyone can and will extrapolate that beyond. As is their want but that's all we can hope for. If people promote the poll, there is a higher chance of increasing the sample size.

Why I think this poll is important is, I think this is a better question than various and derivative like/don't like polls, because it real world net effect and a common shared insight in so many Tahoe topics that putting some form on it I think would help the debate.

People can express why's and why not's - but the proof as they say is in the eating.

 

[Omega Mac]

Thanks for the votes os far.

Votes can be changed too at a later date, in case you move either way on the OS scale.

 

[loby]

I think it would be far to add something in the poll that says more than one vote. This is because if multiple Mac’s some may be on MacOS Tahoe and another(s) downgraded depending on performance. I have a few on Sequoia and a few on Tahoe.

 

[Kal Madda]

I like Tahoe, it works great for me, and really like the more unified and congruent design with Apple’s other platforms. 👍🏻

 

[fisherking]

Generally they say circa 1K sample size or thereabouts with a 3-5% margin of error is adequate/typicaly of polls online, in the media, etc.

If Macrumors has a user base of 1 million, then there is a good chance of hitting a decent sample size. It will still be indicative of active MR users, and anyone can and will extrpalte that beyond. As is their want but that's all we can hope for. If people promote the poll, there is a higher chance of increasing the sample size.

Why I think this poll is important is, I think this is a better question than various and derivative like/don't like polls, because it real world net effect and a common shared insight in so many Tahoe topics that putting some form on it I think would help the debate.

People can express why's and why not's - but the proof as they say is in the eating.

if we look at the bigger threads on this particular forum, we're seeing a very-low engagement (if you believe there are a million users on macrumors). that's the scale we should use: how many people actually view and/or engage on the tahoe forum.

this poll (like the 'does anyone actually like tahoe' poll) tells us about the handful of people who respond; nothing more (or less).

 

[maflynn]

As there are over 1 million members on MacRumors, and a 100 million active Apple users worldwide, lot's hope your poll is representative of that audience, before jumping to a conclusion. Oh wait...

doubtful, due to the fact at how human nature works. People tend to come to forums, to deal with problems or complain about something. If someone is largely happy with a product or service, its generally unlikely to hear from them.

 

[Omega Mac]

I think it would be far to add something in the poll that says more than one vote. This is because if multiple Mac’s some may be on MacOS Tahoe and another(s) downgraded depending on performance. I have a few on Sequoia and a few on Tahoe.

Interesting point but is gonna be a "next time", it's adds greater complexity.

However thinking about it, with the poll votes as they are, the user who is getting their day to day work done, might be testing it on an external drive, or another mac, or have a need for Tahoe in a more sandboxed way.

Well, I think if they do not upgrade their day to day driving machine, primary compute hardware, laptop or desktop, then selecting "waiting it out" or even the OS they are on that is not Tahoe is perfectly valid vote to handle that scenario in this poll.

Some might be driving Tahoe day to day and have a few older OS hanging around, so really voting should be from the Point of view of the current machine that gets your work done and sees you through the day which is the general approach and commentary around upgrading or not upgrading when trying to risk assess cost benefits.

 

[Omega Mac]

if we look at the bigger threads on this particular forum, we're seeing a very-low engagement (if you believe there are a million users on macrumors). that's the scale we should use: how many people actually view and/or engage on the tahoe forum.

Maybe it should be in the macOS forum then. I thought becasue it was Tahoe centric that the macOS ? Tahoe forum was the correct place.

this poll (like the 'does anyone actually like tahoe' poll) tells us about the handful of people who respond; nothing more (or less).

Like a door handle on a door tells us this door can be opened and closed, but what if it's locked?

So we need a poll, with at least more than 2 options eh.

- I opened it
- I closed it
- I could not open or close (was it locked or jammed, do we need even more options?)

I think the question in this poll is superior to the others, more of a measure of adoption vs rollback. I suppose Apple will count the Adoptions, but not the roll backs, maybe, I don't know enough about that tbh.

People who may not really like it, may still use Tahoe to drive their day and hope for the best, etc. maybe I needed that option, but you're going to have to wait for pollOS 27 - hopefully Liquid Votes options and customisation will have improved becasue we think you're gonna love it. 😉

 

[Andy_2341]

I have two Macs. A 13" 16/256 M4 MacBook Air and a 16/256 M4 Mac mini. The Mac mini has never left Sequoia and the MacBook ran Tahoe since release till three days ago. I downgraded it back to the latest release of Sequoia without a hitch and am enjoying it. Tahoe was fine in general but there were many visual bugs that just became too annoying. With a bit of work the OS would be great, but it is really unpolished in my opinion. I enjoyed my time on Tahoe, but I like having back launchpad and actually use it now having gotten used to pinching on the trackpad for the applications folder in Tahoe. Temps seem slightly lower depending on the task (some things went back to requiring Rosetta for some reason increasing load for those apps). Additionally, RAM use is several GB lower, storage has cleaned out by about 40GB, and battery life is up by about 4 hours. I'm staying on Sequoia for both machines until 27 releases.

 

[macaddiict]

Sequoia is just much faster, across the board. The only device I have still running Tahoe is unable to be downgraded as it shipped with 26.x

Tahoe is soooo slow!

 

[fisherking]

Maybe it should be in the macOS forum then. I thought becasue it was Tahoe centric that the macOS ? Tahoe forum was the correct place.



Like a door handle on a door tells us this door can be opened and closed, but what if it's locked?

So we need a poll, with at least more than 2 options eh.

- I opened it
- I closed it
- I could not open or close (was it locked or jammed, do we need even more options?)

I think the question in this poll is superior to the others, more of a measure of adoption vs rollback. I suppose Apple will count the Adoptions, but not the roll backs, maybe, I don't keno enough about that tbh.

People who may not really like it, may still use Tahoe to drive their day and hope for the best, etc. maybe I needed that option, but you're going to have to wait for pollOS 27 - hopefully Liquid Votes options and customisation will have improved becasue we think you're gonna love it. 😉

honestly, all i'm saying is... polls on macrumors tell us about macrumors people, who are (by and large) more tech- & detail-oriented than most people. several hundred responses on this forum are not enough to represent all the macusers in the world.

no idea about door handles, or how that relates... 🤔

 

[fisherking]

Sequoia is just much faster, across the board. The only device I have still running Tahoe is unable to be downgraded as it shipped with 26.x

Tahoe is soooo slow!

tahoe (here anyway) is literally as fast (or? a little faster) than sequoia was... so wondering what you're experiencing. what mac are you on?

 

[macaddiict]

tahoe (here anyway) is literally as fast (or? a little faster) than sequoia was... so wondering what you're experiencing. what mac are you on?

it isn’t “news” that the syrupy effects in Tahoe are so slow it isn’t even supported on 2018 Macs with dGPU and has slowed down so many M1s people actually say things like “Apple did this on purpose” to force upgrades.

 

[Kal Madda]

honestly, all i'm saying is... polls on macrumors tell us about macrumors people, who are (by and large) more tech- & detail-oriented than most people. several hundred responses on this forum are not enough to represent all the macusers in the world.

no idea about door handles, or how that relates... 🤔

Exactly. MacRumors is a niche of the Mac user base at large. And is often negative. So polls here are usually only representative of the MacRumors community. Though I do find it interesting that even given this forums usual bent towards negativity, these polls are still showing a majority in favor of Tahoe… Which is pretty interesting. I honestly wouldn’t have anticipated that, but it seems the negativity is kind of overblown by some even for this community… 🤔👍🏻

 

[maflynn]

Tahoe is soooo slow!

I'm not seeing that, though I do have an upper end machine, i.e., M4 MAx Studio

 

[Siliconguy]

I have two Macs. A 13" 16/256 M4 MacBook Air and a 16/256 M4 Mac mini. The Mac mini has never left Sequoia and the MacBook ran Tahoe since release till three days ago. I downgraded it back to the latest release of Sequoia without a hitch and am enjoying it. Tahoe was fine in general but there were many visual bugs that just became too annoying. With a bit of work the OS would be great, but it is really unpolished in my opinion. I enjoyed my time on Tahoe, but I like having back launchpad and actually use it now having gotten used to pinching on the trackpad for the applications folder in Tahoe. Temps seem slightly lower depending on the task (some things went back to requiring Rosetta for some reason increasing load for those apps). Additionally, RAM use is several GB lower, storage has cleaned out by about 40GB, and battery life is up by about 4 hours. I'm staying on Sequoia for both machines until 27 releases.

That was the most helpful thing I've read on the topic. So the question is not whether to upgrade to Tahoe, but whether to upgrade this laptop to Sequoia and try again. Sequoia didn't do well for me the first try and I went back to Sonoma. But an extra year of bug fixes may have solved that.

No hurry though. I note you have M4 machines and I have an 8 GB M1 which makes Tahoe even less interesting. Now I have to go back and see what Sequoia offered that Sonoma did not to those who do not own an iPhone.

 

[Abydos]

the machine I'm on is no longer upgradeable, I set a old friends new MBA up on Tahoe - it seems to work ok for him (whatever he uses it for - the printer doesn't work exactly like it did under his old windows box but I think the fault lies in the manufacturer's court ) my impression is the menus are too deep, but its a trade off between lateral spread and depth - but its manageable hopefully I will not have to change too many settings due to future upgrades

 

[fisherking]

you say stuff like this in every Tahoe thread, even though it isn’t “news” that the syrupy effects in Tahoe are so slow it isn’t even supported on 2018 Macs with dGPU and has slowed down so many M1s people actually say things like “Apple did this on purpose” to force upgrades.

i am sharing my experience... same as you. not everyone is experiencing 'syrupy effects'. am truly sorry that you are, and hope you can get that sorted 🙏

 

[Jumpthesnark]

Generally they say circa 1K sample size or thereabouts with a 3-5% margin of error is adequate/typicaly of polls online, in the media, etc.

That's scientific polling, using random and representative sampling of a population. Legit polls would never be copnducted this way.

This, like all internet polls, depends on a self-selected, voluntary sample of a non-scientifically selected population. No reliablilty as far as getting an accurate answer to the question.

Great fun for some, perhaps, but let's not pretend this (or any such polls on MR and other sites) means anything.

 

[Timpetus]

I haven't tried it yet. It's not specifically because I've heard bad things about Tahoe, my normal policy is to stay a major version or two behind unless I have some problem that can only be solved by upgrading. My OS doesn't need shiny features, it needs to work and let me run the programs I care about, most of which are older than the OS anyway. I just want a stable machine to run stable versions of my programs. My Mac is still on the last version of Sonoma, and I'm happy with it.

 

[CrabQueenInc]

I’m fortunate to have a separate Mac on which I was able to test Tahoe. Tahoe is by far the worst iteration of macOS that I’ve had the displeasure of using.

With the Public Beta in 2000 and the first versions of OS X, I understood paradigm shift and what could be expected of a then-modern operating system even if the software was writing cheques that Apple’s hardware could not cash. By versions 10.2 and 10.3, OS X’s performance began to show improvement.

Although the UI/UX has trended down since Big Sur, at least Sonoma has been rocksteady and fast on my computers. Tahoe doesn’t represent any usability enhancements; it’s a mess. So, back to Sonoma on my test machine.

 

[Omega Mac]

That's scientific polling, using random and representative sampling of a population. Legit polls would never be copnducted this way.

Think about it dude. Think about it. Think, about what you wrote and how it fits with the OP, or...

This, like all internet polls, depends on a self-selected, voluntary sample of a non-scientifically selected population. No reliablilty as far as getting an accurate answer to the question.

...should we sample people who wash their own dishes manually or those who employ others to do so, or only those who use dishwasher machines, any of which might be mac users or not?

Great fun for some, perhaps, but let's not pretend this (or any such polls on MR and other sites) means anything.

Where would you conduct your perfect poll, scientifically speaking of course?

Here? https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/index.php

Maybe I like a bit of efficiency, maybe I'm resource poor, becasue who has the time to run...

A) Do you use a computer?
B) What operating system do you use?
C) If you use MacOs do you ....

When you can drum up a poll on Mac Rumours the place where as fas I know, everyone uses a Mac (unless there is some deeper hidden secret and joke is on me!), and are basically a population of Mac users (some since the beginning no less!), who will randomly self sort and direct there way to things of interest, who are probably a decent studious bunch who won't vote if they do not match the criteria etc. etc. i.e. give their best shot/answer

If they want to take a poll they will, if they don't want to they won't etc. etc.

Or, is it a scientific sin to ask a population of mac users about their mac usage use?

I'm confused, but one thing I am not confused about is, that there is a claim this is a "scientific survey" (whatever that may be.) in the OP.