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HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray [misc discussion]
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that posting gives you 5 out of 5 thumbs up
it only gets worse with people spending premium for hdmi cables with gold contacts etc.
that said as an engineer i'm rather dissapointed by "next gen" disc formats
25 vs 30 GB ? compared to the speed hard discs sizes are increasing those numbers are more ridiculous as DVD drives were 5 years ago
i feel instead of bringing forward a great optical media with really lots of storage half of the R&D budget (or more) went into DRM
not even talking about the travesty of HD which could have done away with the PAL NTSC problems but only made it more complicated
here the full list of all HD TV display modes (i'm sure i forgot one .. i also left out the old analogue ones):
1080p60
1080p50
1080p30
720p60
1080p25
1080p24
720p50
720p30
720p25
720p24
obviously you have to be member of a AV forum to get even through all that crap
that posting gives you 5 out of 5 thumbs up
it only gets worse with people spending premium for hdmi cables with gold contacts etc.
that said as an engineer i'm rather dissapointed by "next gen" disc formats
25 vs 30 GB ? compared to the speed hard discs sizes are increasing those numbers are more ridiculous as DVD drives were 5 years ago
i feel instead of bringing forward a great optical media with really lots of storage half of the R&D budget (or more) went into DRM
not even talking about the travesty of HD which could have done away with the PAL NTSC problems but only made it more complicated
here the full list of all HD TV display modes (i'm sure i forgot one .. i also left out the old analogue ones):
1080p60
1080p50
1080p30
720p60
1080p25
1080p24
720p50
720p30
720p25
720p24
obviously you have to be member of a AV forum to get even through all that crap
What are the numbers after the p? Refresh rates? I'm going to be buying my first HD tv set soon, I've been looking into it but never seen that before.
I'm looking at this one. any opinions?
yeah more or less as far as i understand it.. but there are also interlaced signals available .. so there are 12 modes counting all together
also some TV panels are specialized for one of those modes which means TV manufacturer put in chips which convert back and forth to save on producing european panels and thus saving cost ... even if it means some worse picture quality for european customers
Agree mostly, although Vinyl definitely sounds better than CD, at least when it's maintained properly and a good pre-amp is used. Unless you 'do it properly', CD is far more accurate.
Cables are a waste of money though, never heard any difference for better or worse. I reckon it's e-dick waving, saying 'well you may know what you're talking about, but I know more than you because I've upgraded my cables too' like some car-enthusiast who claim the paint used on their cars can greatly reduce the aerodynamic drag.
Blu-ray does look better than HD-DVD though, it's more 'cinematic'. Even so, if one forces DRM and the other doesn't, I'm going with whichever one doesn't. DVD provides a good enough picture even on a 65" display with the latest upscaling algorithms, there is no real need for HD DVD or Blu-Ray.
P more or less means progressive. Something that is 1080i25 would be a PAL region 1080 set that's interlaced. If 1080p25 it would be PAL region 1080 progressive scan (non interlaced). 24p for a lot of video people is this false hope at film look on digital....it's good looking but not actually the 24 fps of true film, but a nice look all the same.
If buying first HD set get a CRT instead of an LCD...the colors are better, blacks are crisper, and it doesn't look like crap when watching SD (standard def) programming. Why have a TV that shows 75% of what's on these days poorly?
Paul
If buying first HD set get a CRT instead of an LCD...the colors are better, blacks are crisper, and it doesn't look like crap when watching SD (standard def) programming. Why have a TV that shows 75% of what's on these days poorly?
Paul
More "cinematic"? Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use the same codecs (VC1, MPGE2, or H.264). Individual titles can look better/worse than others, but there is no inherent image quality advantage in either disc format.
There isn't the pointed move away from interlaced in the US as there is in Europe so we still have to worry about both "i" and "p" variants.
Lethal
How so? Both disks support the same video formats. There should be no difference between the two, visibly. The only difference should be the amount of space they fit.
yeah i forgot about interlaced ... which makes it even worse
jesus christ why couldn't they say HD-TV is 1000+ times something at 60 frames per second and be finished
there never have been HD-CRTs available in europe ..at least not since analogue HD flopped 15 years ago
jesus christ why couldn't they say HD-TV is 1000+ times something at 60 frames per second and be finished
there never have been HD-CRTs available in europe ..at least not since analogue HD flopped 15 years ago
EVIL thread!
I don't like Sony's proprietary formats one bit, nor do I like Microsoft's EVIL HDi(basically WinCE) vomit. But if I had to choose, I would go with the lesser of the two EVILs, the disc format that supports Java.
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I don't like Sony's proprietary formats one bit, nor do I like Microsoft's EVIL HDi(basically WinCE) vomit. But if I had to choose, I would go with the lesser of the two EVILs, the disc format that supports Java.
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Blueray sucks because it's region locked and supports less standards than HD-DVD.
I'll edit this post with the link when I get home....but Blu-ray gives the option for studios to region lock. As it stands, about 50% of Blu-ray movies are region locked, 50% are region-free. The site lists all Blu-ray movies and whether they are region locked or not.
Yes, that's it.
And either way you look at it, Blu-ray regonality is still better than the mess that DVD regions have been. Studios have the option of locking movoes or not. I can think of rare instances where it would be in their favor to region lock. Now, the existence of both Blu-ray and HD-DVD is a whole different issue....
Nice job reading the posts directly below mine that already corrected me on that
Regardless, while it is technically capable of playing back those formats, there is no content distributed in that format. Yes, you can create your own, but mom and pop can't do that and it's not simple. No one sells 720p movies that'll play on the Apple TV without a painful conversion process.
According to Apple's specs it won't play 1080i content. It will output a 1080i signal, but that signal will be scaled up from 1280x720 or 960x540 content.
Lethal
Surely, the winner will be the one with the most movies people want to see? If that's the case, Blu-ray has it in the bag.
How the hell can HD-DVD survive without James Bond, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Spider-Man, Star Wars, X-Men, Ghostbusters....etc??
I do own a PS3 and a small collection of Blu-rays, but I am no means a BR fanboy. In fact, I kinda prefer HD-DVD in some ways, but it just doesn't have the movies I want to see (except Transformers).
How the hell can HD-DVD survive without James Bond, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Spider-Man, Star Wars, X-Men, Ghostbusters....etc??
I do own a PS3 and a small collection of Blu-rays, but I am no means a BR fanboy. In fact, I kinda prefer HD-DVD in some ways, but it just doesn't have the movies I want to see (except Transformers).
Not everyone wants to see all of the movies available on Blu-ray, and why wouldn't Star Wars be on HD-DVD as well? It makes no sense for Lucas to release in one format.
