Why not? I do the same and can easily lay on my side… even with the iPad rotated at an appropriate angle.
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Here Are All the Apps Pre-Installed on the Apple Vision Pro
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Since they have Messages, FaceTime, and Mail, I suspect that Contacts must be installed. It is necessary with each of those communications apps. It may just not rate a mention in the documentation.
HobeSoundDarryl
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I could see that, however if Pages & Numbers can be on there, then a full suite of those "light" or "casual" computing use apps are there from the start. Those with simple needs who maybe travel a fair amount could put Vpro and maybe one of those roll-up/un-folding or unfolding with trackpad Bluetooth keyboards + mouse or track pad in a laptop-like bag and that is their replacement for a traditional laptop computer. If you don't care about the bit of added space that kind of thing offers, we already know that Magic Keyboard by Apple works with it... so include it plus a mouse or trackpad in the bag with Vpro. That's probably not thinner than a laptop in the bag, but it would certainly be thin enough to fit under the airplane seat in front of someone.
When I travel now, it's typically laptop + iPad mini + full-size headphones worked into the bag with laptop + headphone thickness stacked up in the bag... so that does get to about THIS imagined bag thickness... which never fails to fit under the seat on any plane. Since Vpro in bag/pouch doesn't need the same full width & height of a laptop bag, going this way may make it possible to switch to a bag that- while thicker than a laptop bag- is not as wide... more like maybe a tube, camcorder or DSLR-type bag instead of the traditional rectangular bag for a laptop... like this...
Vpro + folding keyboard + mouse (+ extra battery if needed) stack up in a skinnier-but-thicker bag, that still fits under the seat and you have feet-on-the-floor space next to or around that bag (vs. feet on top or tucked under the traditional kind. TBD... but it seems like that kind of bag could be pretty small if the pocket for Vpro is vertical for the rigid portion of Vpro (the mask itself). Vpro straps should easily fold into or up close to that mask portion.
In either case, that bag jettisons the weight & heft of the laptop and takes on the weight of Vpro plus 2 light & small accessories. Personally, I'm not as interested in this myself (my imagination revolves around MB + Vpro uses)... but it seems plausible to me based on known info, demo videos, and iPads as a proxy for Vpro (plus the so-called "one million apps" for launch), etc.
Since we know some bigger apps like FCPX are available for iPad, perhaps those are available on Vpro too (my guess is it will be because apparently iMovie is not and something from Apple probably needs to be able to do some editing of any spatial videos shot with Vpro). So again, instead of using the horsepower of a MB, perhaps the same Vpro + 2 bluetooth accessories is like doing the same on an iPad using the same bluetooth accessories... EXCEPT you have a gigantic screen or two or three or more to do such work.
Now do I know that Vpro in isolation has the spare M2 horses to do all that? I do not. That's mostly built atop me leaning positive based on what I've seen, read, heard plus some speculation drawn from what works with an iPad + bluetooth accessories. I do know VERY CLEARLY that pairing a small, thin bluetooth keyboard with an iPad can be a nice substitution for a laptop if the app demands are not high demand tasks... more like how some people talk about MBair vs. MBpro.
This will be interesting to see what this can do in that direction on and after FEB 2. I'm hoping for that kind of user, maybe they can simulate a super-sized screen laptop with only Vpro + bluetooth keyboard + mouse or trackpad for that solid mix of basic computing needs: email, texting, web browsing, word processor, DTP, spreadsheets, presentation software and maybe video and audio editing too.
I don't envision the so-called casual app user to be on their computer for hours and hours... so slipping on a Vpro, doing a few little tasks, then slipping it off again seems plausible to me... much like how some people using an iPad as a laptop substitution are generally not on it for hours & hours... but just relatively quick hits to check email (and reply to a few), same with text messages, maybe browse a bit on Safari, write a little something in a word processor, etc. Put it away and a while later maybe something pops up on their iPhone where they want a little more (full) computer to address/edit/write/fix than (as) suitable to try to do on iPhone? Pop out this setup, use the full keyboard + mouse/trackpad and much bigger screen to do whatever it is... then put it away again and carry on with their day.
TBD... soon!
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HobeSoundDarryl
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Develop presentations in AVP for showing to others when you get to where you are going.
OR review & edit presentations created by others.
Or display the screen that the audience will see AND the editing screen side by side so you can fine tune AND preview at the same time... while perhaps floating supporting apps above or below for research in Safari, following an outline made up in Notes or Pages or similar, create a table or chart graphic with Numbers or similar, etc.
I hear what you’re saying and don’t really disagree, just in my mind I do not (yet) see VPro replacing a Mac or iPad for authoring purposes. That plus the limited runtime on a single battery (yes I know, can be overcome) and the fact that you’re carrying 600 or so grams on your head just does not make the VPro a better input device compared to Mac/ipad, imho.
But as you say, let’s see what it can do in real life. I will do everything to get a hands on demo, whether or not I’m going to get one, have to wait and see.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Glad someone posted it. Where are our imaginations "think different" crowd?
Crack open your iDevice, visit the App Store and search for calculator apps. There are certainly more than a few in there. Apple is promoting "more than 1 million apps at launch." I have to think a number of them will be the same calculator apps.
Pages & Numbers are apps that did not come stock on my latest iPad. Did they on yours? I had to download them from the App Store. My guess is that this will be the same. But even if it is not because they are not ready for some reason, do a search for both kinds of apps in the App Store. Some of the results will likely be available among the "million apps" too. I'd think Microsoft's Office is probably among those that will be available.
But if not, there's always the ability to run any missing apps on the Mac and probably the iPad or iPhone we will have with us too... and airplay them to Vpro to mix in with native Vpro apps in the field of view.
For all other angst about what apps "are not on there", visit your iPad App Store and do a search for that app or a clone or close cousin. There's probably just about every kind of app someone will seek in the "more than a million at launch."
We'll all see soon enough.
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HobeSoundDarryl
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Yes, I'm with you there... just pointing out that it appears it could be possible for some. I very clearly imagine many hours on long flights using this for a Big Mac screen. As I did with that first Powerbook G4 with only 2 hours of battery life, I'll just pay up for the additional battery time need and switch them when batteries are nearly drained. And/or use airplane seat sockets available on some flights.
I personally see it as an extension of Mac- a supersized MB "lid" on the go- but I also see the potential based on what does run on it and in a "million iPad apps" for that light-use scenario to be possible, especially for the on-the-go crowd who may not have a big amount of time at a single location where a desktop or laptop naturally makes more sense.
And I'm also right with you on having a good demo for my own eyes- especially focused on exactly this ONE key use- and seeing what it can do to drive the right decision for me.
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HobeSoundDarryl
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In the demo video posted today, the Apple rep encourages the actor "trying it out" to shift the app screen to the next page of apps to see the dinosaur part. He does but the image is zoomed in so we see only 3 apps NOT on the usual page of apps that show: Files, Encounter Dinosaurs and Tips. I presume there is upwards of another page of 10-12 apps on that screen too but we don't get to see them. I wonder what other apps were on THAT page??? See for yourself in that spot of the video...
This makes me think we may be reading too much into this single image of apps on one screen... when it is now clear that just like with iDevices, there can be other screens of app icons. Perhaps Pages, Numbers, FCPX, Contacts, etc are on those other pages... or- my own best guess- just like with iPad, for some of those apps that do not come stock: you optionally download the ones you want from the App Store.
Fire up your iDevices. Are all of your apps on a single screen? Or do you have some on page 2? Page 3? Page 4? Etc. Maybe popular missing apps not visible in this little group of 10 or 12 or so that keeps being shown are on another page of apps with Files + Encounter Dinosaurs + Tips apps in that video? Or a page after the one? Etc.
TBD... soon!
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It's kind of insane to me that Apple hasn't even made all of their stuff native for it and bundles a tech demo to get you hyped.
Like of all the apps that Apple makes that could benefit Weather would be super cool to see with effects or even be used as a background to kind of show you what the conditions are outside.
Maps, I can see that being at least a neat thing to do with something like flyover and 3D maps, letting you walk around little dioramas or something, possibly even using it to get directions in some capacity (Not sure how safe that would be though).
Stocks I mean seeing a live graph go up and down in 3D space might be neat, and stuff like News I know has interactive elements that could be exploited and Books, wouldn't it just be cool that you could have say I virtual book lying on your desk that you use as reference while you are trying to figure out something in a complicated program, or programming in general? Lots of ball dropping, and head scratchers here.
Like of all the apps that Apple makes that could benefit Weather would be super cool to see with effects or even be used as a background to kind of show you what the conditions are outside.
Maps, I can see that being at least a neat thing to do with something like flyover and 3D maps, letting you walk around little dioramas or something, possibly even using it to get directions in some capacity (Not sure how safe that would be though).
Stocks I mean seeing a live graph go up and down in 3D space might be neat, and stuff like News I know has interactive elements that could be exploited and Books, wouldn't it just be cool that you could have say I virtual book lying on your desk that you use as reference while you are trying to figure out something in a complicated program, or programming in general? Lots of ball dropping, and head scratchers here.
Native is the wrong word to use in this discussion, that belongs to native to a specific processor platform such as intel versus Apple Silicon.
What this article is referring to is apps that are VisionOS optimized so they support spatial axis mode also.
They are trying to sell this VR side of things not stuff that is simply AR like. Heck that can even run on iPhones/IPads as seen on Apple Augmented Reality pages.
Augmented Reality
Augmented reality on iOS and iPadOS transforms how you work, learn, play, and connect with the world around you. And this is just the beginning.
www.apple.com
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I can see developers giving up on the AVP like developers slowly gave up on the Apple Watch.
App developers will make or break the Vision Pro. So Apple should make peace with the biggest developers and not antagonize them. Then when the Vision Pro is a big hit, with thousands of apps, Apple can go back to being a scrooge.
No separate apps, but you can of course view them through Safari. Not a big deal.
One thing they emphasized in a developer session video is that you want the focal point of any button graphic to be near the center of the target area. If your eyes are drawn toward the edges of a target, it's more likely for the eye tracking to fail because your eye is catching a detail of the edge of a button. A circle shape may facilitate that more than a rounded square.
Icons
I wonder what kind of usability thinking made the shape of visionOS/watchOS icons 'Round', MacOS icons 'Whatever shape within a square' and iPadOS/iOS icons 'Squircles'?
I wonder what kind of usability thinking made the shape of visionOS/watchOS icons 'Round', MacOS icons 'Whatever shape within a square' and iPadOS/iOS icons 'Squircles'?
Totally forgot about that, maybe that’s why right now you need to have a US App Store ID to be able to use it. It wouldn’t be allowed yet in Europe.
In Google Earth VR, I like zooming into the scene until I get to just before the point that I can start to see the jankiness of the models. Tokyo looks amazing at diorama size. The 3D detail can cover your whole room and beyond. I like to keep the model fixed in place and just walk around to explore it.
While the Vision Pro has amazing hardware, my biggest disappointment is that the software lacks any fun factor.
How am going to get rid of my MacBook Pro. I thought they said this as going to replace computers ?
I bet the adult industry would love to make an optimized app for the Vision Pro, but Apple would never allow it in the App Store. But I wonder if European buyers will just sideload it using alternate app store.
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It is indeed, from wiki
- visionOS is a mixed reality operating system derived primarily from iOS core frameworks (including UIKit, SwiftUI, and ARKit), and MR-specific frameworks for foveated rendering and real-time interaction.
- visionOS is backward compatible with existing iOS and iPadOS apps, which are rendered in windows within the user environment and automatically compatible with visionOS' input system. The developers of iOS and iPadOS apps have the option to opt out of visionOS compatibility. Apple claims that over 1 million apps from iOS and iPadOS are available on visionOS. Apple also claims 100 Apple Arcade games will be compatible with visionOS at launch, the majority of which can make use of the gamepad compatibility