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There won't be.

We've already hit the end of Moore's Law. Even Nvidia knows it.

Computing power increases from here on out will be incremental, not exponential - at least until or if quantum computing becomes a feasible technology. There are physical limits to how small traces on wafers can get, and we're getting close.
Every time someone says we've reached the end of evolution, be it organic or digital, I fall off my chair laughing. You have absolutely NO IDEA what's going to happen, nor do I, nor does anyone else. So unless you're 90 or older, stay tuned, it won't be long. We are not the crown of creation, and Gordon Moore was just pulling numbers out his keister when he posited it, IN 1965!
 
This is really a Cook strategy. Jobs tried hard to not do this, sure a few times problems meant extending the delivery, but Jobs was clearly not happy about it and in most cases people that failed to deliver were held accountable.

Not in Cooks world, as long as he gets credit for the keynote, appears in magazines, and feels good, the customer does not matter.
So much this. 100%. But don’t forget Cook has his own RDF with shareholders. He should have been kicked to the curb long ago
 
Every time someone says we've reached the end of evolution, be it organic or digital, I fall off my chair laughing. You have absolutely NO IDEA what's going to happen, nor do I, nor does anyone else. So unless you're 90 or older, stay tuned, it won't be long. We are not the crown of creation, and Gordon Moore was just pulling numbers out his keister when he posited it, IN 1965!
We hit the end of Moore's Law a fair few years ago, the same with the clock speed of processors, one of the reasons we have now got multicore processors. But you are right, we don't know what is around the corner technology wise. IUt was not that many years ago really that I was using a computer with 1K of ram, expandable to 16k, black and white display, not even able to display lower case letters and a flat paper keyboard. My first computer. Now my phone have more power than the very first PC I owned, a Cyrix based 166.
 
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Sorry Tim unless this is absolutely mind blowing stuff I’ll hang onto my 2019 iMac for years to come.
If it does what you need then yes, I know somone who was until he passed away a couple of years ago was using a P4 machine for producing music.
 
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I've grown tired of these kinds of debates and haven't posted here for a long time. The last thing the world needs is me adding fire to the conflagration. I find it too challenging at this point in my life to try and sort through the noise in order to draft any kind of educated opinion. Getting out of bed and finding a reason to go on amidst the chaos and despair is hard enough.

I'm not one of those kinds of people who can just easily shrug off conflict and dissonance either—the effects of these kinds of discussions tends to stick with me for a long time, even though sometimes we nitpick about the tiniest of matters in the grand scheme of things. I suppose that learning to constructively deal with ideological conflict is a good thing when one wants to learn something and be challenged, but I find that there are so many people in this world who use these forums as an excuse for bad behavior, thus it seems healthier to stay out of it.
 
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We hit the end of Moore's Law a fair few years ago, the same with the clock speed of processors, one of the reasons we have now got multicore processors. But you are right, we don't know what is around the corner technology wise. IUt was not that many years ago really that I was using a computer with 1K of ram, expandable to 16k, black and white display, not even able to display lower case letters and a flat paper keyboard. My first computer. Now my phone have more power than the very first PC I owned, a Cyrix based 166.
Your phone has more power than the ones NASA used to put men on the moon in 1969. Ponder that! And that's why I laugh at anyone who tells me there's nothing new, and we're going to have only incremental improvements from now on. The myth of the "new paradigm" is just that, a myth. BTW, my first computer was a Pickett N4 that my parents bought me for my first semester at the Illinois Institute of Technology. Almost everyone on campus had one. It could solve any math calculation you can on your iPhone or Mac. It was portable, too; you could hang it from your belt, and it was the ultimate nerd status symbol (I still have it, and the case, too.)
 

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After posting it, I didn't think anyone would want to.

I've grown tired of these kinds of debates and haven't posted here for a long time. The last thing the world needs is me adding fire to the conflagration. I find it too challenging at this point in my life to try and sort through the noise in order to draft any kind of educated opinion. Getting out of bed and finding a reason to go on amidst the chaos and despair is hard enough.

I'm not one of those kinds of people who can just easily shrug off conflict and dissonance either—the effects of these kinds of discussions tends to stick with me for a long time, even though sometimes we nitpick about the tiniest of matters in the grand scheme of things. I suppose that learning to constructively deal with ideological conflict is a good thing when one wants to learn something and be challenged, but I find that there are so many people in this world who use these forums as an excuse for bad behavior, thus it seems healthier to stay out of it.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing", Edmund Burke
 
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Because AI draws data from the Internet.. the same Internet that is populated with data by humans.. like you and me. It stands to reason that you and I can obtain the same data on our own and do with it what we wish. some people seem to think that using a machine equates to a superior outcome, but they fail to realize that machines lack emotions, feelings, and common sense. Mankind survived just fine without AI this long, we don’t need AI now. No machine will ever be as powerful as the human brain. The problem we need to tackle is laziness.
“stands to reason that you and I can obtain the same data on our own”…
Using a search engine isn’t doing it on your own. Just saying.
You’re still relying on machines to collect and gather that information through algorithms. Or paid placement. That’s how search engines work.
 
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing", Edmund Burke
A nice sentiment. Unfortunately, I’ve lost most of my confidence in the strength of argumentation, owing to the complexity of all the issues we face these days.

Well-behaved discussion is another matter. I still rather appreciate that. I just don’t see that happening too much on MacRumors, based on all the years I’ve been either active or lurking here. There’s always someone who think they can be “snarkier than thou”, in an attempt to be sardonically funny in a dark sort of way.
 
I tend to disagree with the notion that Tim Cook genuinely cares about the customer.

If he did, he would listen to and act responsively to customer complaints about:
- Apple pricing in general...
With absolutely no hyperbole, almost every product under Tim today is significantly cheaper than it was 15 years ago under Jobs. even not taking inflation into count, apple is selling the MacBook Air today through Walmart for $650. That’s literally cheaper than the original iPad when adjusted for inflation.
The M2 Mac Mini can be found for under $500 easily.
The iPad 10 can be found for under $300.

When it comes to entry prices, they literally have never been better.

You can easily build an iPhone, Mac mini, Apple TV, Watch and AirPods ecosystem for under $2000, still have some of their most up-to-date products.
Under Jobs, the MacBook Air literally started at over $2000 today’s money, so no luck with that.
 
A nice sentiment. Unfortunately, I’ve lost most of my confidence in the strength of argumentation, owing to the complexity of all the issues we face these days.

Well-behaved discussion is another matter. I still rather appreciate that. I just don’t see that happening too much on MacRumors, based on all the years I’ve been either active or lurking here. There’s always someone who think they can be “snarkier than thou”, in an attempt to be sardonically funny in a dark sort of way.
It is not necessary that you win. It is that you state your position along with others stating their position that makes the idiots get tired and lonely. I really see it as no difference than voting.
 
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BTW, my first computer was a Pickett N4 that my parents bought me for my first semester at the Illinois Institute of Technology. Almost everyone on campus had one. It could solve any math calculation you can on your iPhone or Mac. It was portable, too; you could hang it from your belt, and it was the ultimate nerd status symbol (I still have it, and the case, too.)
But could it do addition & subtraction?
 
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Two features I don’t care about. Just like the few features in previous releases that I would never use. It’s great that Apple has provided much longer support than PowerPC Macs, which only got two macOS releases (Tiger and Leopard), before they went Intel only.
Not supporting PowerPC with Snow Leopard was almost criminal. Of course those of us who bought the late 2019 Intel Macs still feel kind of bamboozled despite the fact our Macs are still being supported…Luke Miani had an excellent video on the topic.


On the plus side I’ve needed to run Windows or Linux VMs occasionally, and Intel is still the better choice for that.
 
I've grown tired of these kinds of debates and haven't posted here for a long time. The last thing the world needs is me adding fire to the conflagration. I find it too challenging at this point in my life to try and sort through the noise in order to draft any kind of educated opinion. Getting out of bed and finding a reason to go on amidst the chaos and despair is hard enough.

I'm not one of those kinds of people who can just easily shrug off conflict and dissonance either—the effects of these kinds of discussions tends to stick with me for a long time, even though sometimes we nitpick about the tiniest of matters in the grand scheme of things. I suppose that learning to constructively deal with ideological conflict is a good thing when one wants to learn something and be challenged, but I find that there are so many people in this world who use these forums as an excuse for bad behavior, thus it seems healthier to stay out of it.


Hang in there champ. Now I really wish I had a chance to read your reply to my post.
 
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It is not necessary that you win. It is that you state your position along with others stating their position that makes the idiots get tired and lonely. I really see it as no difference than voting.
I never thought of it that way. That’s an amazingly useful analogy. Thank you.
 
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On the plus side I’ve needed to run Windows or Linux VMs occasionally, and Intel is still the better choice for that.

For some edge cases, maybe.

Issues with Windows on ARM are becoming rarer. Linux on ARM is largely a non-issue.
 
With absolutely no hyperbole, almost every product under Tim today is significantly cheaper than it was 15 years ago under Jobs.

Er, no.

The 2001 iBook started at $1,299. The 2010 MacBook started at $999. The 2024 MacBook Air starts at $1,099. So the entry price has been quite stable for a while. Yes, there are M1 and M2 models, too, but using previous-generation models to make a point is a bit disingenuous.

The 2001 PowerBook G4 started at $2,599. The 2010 15-inch MacBook Pro started at $1,799. The 2023 14-inch MacBook Pro at $1,999.

The 1998 iMac at $1,299, the 2002 iMac G4 at $1,299, the 2004 iMac G5 at $1,299, the 2011 21.5-inch iMac at $1,199, and finally the 2023 iMac at… that's right, $1,299.

The 2005 Mac mini? $499. The 2023 Mac mini? $599.

The iPhone overall has gotten more expensive over time.

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Need I go on?
 
You assume a new CEO would be like Jobs, when there is an equal (or higher) opportunity for them to be like Balmer.

The devil you know.
Yeah, the truth is that NO one will be the romanticized version of Steve Jobs people hold in their heads. If Steve Jobs was alive today, they’d be talking about how he’s not like the way he was before.
 
The reason they could do that is they didn't need to worry about cannibalising the sales of an existing Apple phone because there wasn't one.

The whole industry is scarred by what happened to Osbourne Computers. They pre-announced a new product way before it was shipping and it sank the whole company because people stopped buying the current product.
Riiight, there was NOTHING that was cannibalized by the iPhone.
(an iPod, a Phone, and an internet communicator)
They didn’t worry about cannibalizing because they’ve never worried about cannibalizing. Do a quick search for Steve Jobs cannibalizing.
 
Riiight, there was NOTHING that was cannibalized by the iPhone.
(an iPod, a Phone, and an internet communicator)
They didn’t worry about cannibalizing because they’ve never worried about cannibalizing. Do a quick search for Steve Jobs cannibalizing.

You’re both right, though. Apple doesn’t preannounce revisions like that. They didn’t say in June 2020, “and we’ll start in fall with a new MacBook Air and Mac mini”. They don’t say in summer “and this fall, iPhone 16 is coming”. They wouldn’t even acknowledge that, yes, there will be a WWDC 2025. They’re cagey about future products even when it’s quite obvious that’s what’s happening.
 
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