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Heroes Season 1, part 2

2nyRiggz said:
Who powers peter consumed with the fire...was he in contact with claire's mom?
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I think that was Ted's power. They both had it. There have been rumblings of Peter meeting Ted soon, which he'd have to in order to be the "bomb". Sylar might have killed him later to get his power, only to take the blame after Peter went off.

angelneo said:
In 5 years time, it not hard to imagine that Peter has come in contact with Meredith.
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Possibly.

I was thinking about the part that Hiro stabbed Sylar, could it be Peter in disguise?
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The previews lead us to believe otherwise, and why would Peter look like Sylar even if he met with the shapeshifter, though I suppose anything is possible at this point.
 
this is one of the shows that require second or third viewings to get the plot. so i watched it again.

who was that girl on the floor when parkman interrogated mr. bennett? wi-fi girl?

and a new theory...i think the future that issac was painting could be one of several things. this would be based on a split timeline theory that the future is actually on a different timeline than the present.

1. he can paint something in alternate timelines: this explains issac painting things that don't happen in his timeline, like hiro killing sylar in the future timeline and issac painting a blown up new york in the present timeline. using this they can change their timeline to prevent becoming like the future timeline.

2. he is painting what is supposed to occur for the right future: that means everything he draws and everything they see will happen no matter what, there's no changing the future.

3. a combination of the two, in which they can change the future (doubt it).

4. something else.

as i said, i think new york goes.
 
I think Isaac can paint what happens, but you can change it.

In the comic where Hiro stabs Sylar through the heart. That probably happened in both time lines, just in the bad time line Sylar had killed Claire, had her power, and could regenerate. This is why future hiro came back, he knew that if Sylar didn't have the heal power then the sword thrust would kill Sylar.

However in doing this he changed things in that Hiro doesn't stab Sylar this time. Which now has changed again because Hiro now knows what he has to do.


I think the reason Peter had the scar is probably because of one (or a combination) of two things:

1. The invisible man said the one way Peter could stop from blowing up was to "forget" the powers he had. Maybe in a desperate attempt to stop himself from exploding he tried to forget all his powers, including the heal one. We know that Ted doesn't get burnt from his own power so the explosion wouldn't have hurt Peter, but any subsequent attack would leave a scar.

2. Maybe there is a limit to the powers, I.E. you can only do so much before you run out of energy. This would be more plausible. Maybe the explosion drained Peter so much that he couldn't use any other powers for a while and the scar couldn't be healed after.
 
I'm sure we've been over this, but since I'm at work, and can't really read all the previous posts... maybe someone can help me out.

There was a scene when Peter and invisible man were being watched by HRG and the Hatian, who had on thermal glasses. HRG and the Hatian then shot stun guns at Peter and the invisible man, but my question is... how Peter stopped time, and how were they still invisible if the Hatian was there? Wouldn't they become visible, and Peter shouldn't have been able to stop time or fly away...
 
The biggest question of all...

Peter can fly, why, when the explosion was imminent, didn't he just fly out to the middle of the Atlantic ocean to explode?

We've seen Nathan fly and he's pretty damn quick so you'd think Peter could get high enough/far enough away to minimize the explosion's damage...

Why even stay in New York? Why not get your ass out to the middle of a Nevada desert and stay there? Or use Hiro's power to teleport somewhere/somewhen else to explode?

Hopefully there's a good answer to those...
 
mgargan1 said:
I'm sure we've been over this, but since I'm at work, and can't really read all the previous posts... maybe someone can help me out.

There was a scene when Peter and invisible man were being watched by HRG and the Hatian, who had on thermal glasses. HRG and the Hatian then shot stun guns at Peter and the invisible man, but my question is... how Peter stopped time, and how were they still invisible if the Hatian was there? Wouldn't they become visible, and Peter shouldn't have been able to stop time or fly away...
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This showed the Haitian being a good bit away. Maybe at that range the Haitians powers are weaker. We might find out.

atszyman said:
The biggest question of all...

Peter can fly, why, when the explosion was imminent, didn't he just fly out to the middle of the Atlantic ocean to explode?

We've seen Nathan fly and he's pretty damn quick so you'd think Peter could get high enough/far enough away to minimize the explosion's damage...

Why even stay in New York? Why not get your ass out to the middle of a Nevada desert and stay there? Or use Hiro's power to teleport somewhere/somewhen else to explode?

Hopefully there's a good answer to those...
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The pictures show the explosion to have taken place above the city. Maybe he panicked and by the time he started to fly away it was too late.

Remember the invisible guy said it was all the powers that would cause him to explode, maybe he spent too much trying to not use the powers before he realised he couldn't stop it.
 
I think the reason Peter had the scar is probably because of one (or a combination) of two things
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The scar looks very much like a slice in the face. Could Hiro have tried to kill Peter (with the sword) knowing he was the bomb, but failed?
 
They know the day of the bomb, why doesn't Peter just kill himself for a day/week and get himself moved out of town.

Have Hiro shove a sword in him Peter will "die" as long as it stays. Move him out to the middle of Nevada and remove the sword and quickly teleport...
 
atszyman said:
They know the day of the bomb, why doesn't Peter just kill himself for a day/week and get himself moved out of town.

Have Hiro shove a sword in him Peter will "die" as long as it stays. Move him out to the middle of Nevada and remove the sword and quickly teleport...
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But then we wouldn't have a TV show...
 
atszyman said:
They know the day of the bomb, why doesn't Peter just kill himself for a day/week and get himself moved out of town.

Have Hiro shove a sword in him Peter will "die" as long as it stays. Move him out to the middle of Nevada and remove the sword and quickly teleport...
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Methinks there's gonna be a fight with Sylar- that the only way peter can see to kill him is to go nuclear.
 
mattscott306 said:
Methinks there's gonna be a fight with Sylar- that the only way peter can see to kill him is to go nuclear.
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Perhaps, but that seems very short-sighted. There's one bad guy and like 10 good guys with reasonably strong powers (not including all the ones that we don't know), and they can't take him? Just distract him enough to get the Haitian there, then shoot him, if nothing else.

I still look back at how HRG's boss didn't let him kill Sylar from the beginning - what's his part in all of this? Why would he want to keep Sylar alive, knowing what he can do? In the second to the last episode, he was looking to get the information from Suresh on all the other "heroes". Sylar apparently goes back to meet his mom in the next episode. Who's his father?
 
TBi said:
I think Isaac can paint what happens, but you can change it.

In the comic where Hiro stabs Sylar through the heart. That probably happened in both time lines, just in the bad time line Sylar had killed Claire, had her power, and could regenerate. This is why future hiro came back, he knew that if Sylar didn't have the heal power then the sword thrust would kill Sylar.

However in doing this he changed things in that Hiro doesn't stab Sylar this time. Which now has changed again because Hiro now knows what he has to do.


I think the reason Peter had the scar is probably because of one (or a combination) of two things:

1. The invisible man said the one way Peter could stop from blowing up was to "forget" the powers he had. Maybe in a desperate attempt to stop himself from exploding he tried to forget all his powers, including the heal one. We know that Ted doesn't get burnt from his own power so the explosion wouldn't have hurt Peter, but any subsequent attack would leave a scar.

2. Maybe there is a limit to the powers, I.E. you can only do so much before you run out of energy. This would be more plausible. Maybe the explosion drained Peter so much that he couldn't use any other powers for a while and the scar couldn't be healed after.
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In that future they were in, Sylar never killed Claire or got her powers and Peter never met Claire.

Kinda like what they said in Deja Vu, about alternate time lines...
 

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emw said:
Perhaps, but that seems very short-sighted. There's one bad guy and like 10 good guys with reasonably strong powers (not including all the ones that we don't know), and they can't take him? Just distract him enough to get the Haitian there, then shoot him, if nothing else.
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I'm not saying that Syler's gonna die that way, but trying to kill him that way makes sense. If Peter can foresee what Syler has the potential to become, then he's going to be convinced he has to kill Syler no matter the cost, thus causing him to blow up the city knowing that Syler can't regenerate like Peter can.

On the topic of the next episode- I doubt they will- but I hope they keep the intensity of this weeks episode up.
 
pilotError said:
Was the comic book that Hiro left with the book that (??? Forget his name) gave the delivery guy right before he died?
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I'm sure you mean Isaac, and I believe so. Because, If you remember right before Sylar killed Isaac he said the one thing he will contribute is how to kill him or something to that effect.
 
it was Hattori Hanzo's
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Its kill Sylar not Bill! LOL

he said the one thing he will contribute is how to kill him or something to that effect.
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That's right, but Sylar also painted something, I just forgot what it was :eek:

Maybe he knows how he's going to die and changed the circumstances... or not!

This is too much fun.
 
mattscott306 said:
How did syler not kill claire in that time-line if Peter was not there to save her?
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I forget the details of the episode, but did sylar actually see claire? Or did he assume that the other cheerleader was her the whole time? If so, Claire could have ran away. Possibly, the only reason Sylar knew that Claire was there was because Peter showed up, and pointed her out.

Again, I don't know the details, just trying to make up a reason in my mind.

I remember watching something on Stan Lee and Spiderman once, and he was getting grief for spiderman being able to sling his web from one part of NY to the Statue of Liberty. There wasn't any buildings for him to swing on to! How could he do it?! So Stan's response was, "...at that very moment, a helicopter appeared and he sung on that."

There are some things that we're going to have to chalk up to "TV Magic"...
 
mgargan1 said:
I forget the details of the episode, but did sylar actually see claire? Or did he assume that the other cheerleader was her the whole time? If so, Claire could have ran away. Possibly, the only reason Sylar knew that Claire was there was because Peter showed up, and pointed her out.

Again, I don't know the details, just trying to make up a reason in my mind.

I remember watching something on Stan Lee and Spiderman once, and he was getting grief for spiderman being able to sling his web from one part of NY to the Statue of Liberty. There wasn't any buildings for him to swing on to! How could he do it?! So Stan's response was, "...at that very moment, a helicopter appeared and he sung on that."

There are some things that we're going to have to chalk up to "TV Magic"...
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Yes, Sylar saw Claire. After throwing her into the pillar and killing the other cheerleader he saw her regenerating and started to chase her. The only reason she got away is Peter fought him.
 
furcalchick said:
who was that girl on the floor when parkman interrogated mr. bennett? wi-fi girl?
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I believe that was the wi-fi girl.

furcalchick said:
and a new theory...i think the future that issac was painting could be one of several things. this would be based on a split timeline theory that the future is actually on a different timeline than the present.

1. he can paint something in alternate timelines: this explains issac painting things that don't happen in his timeline, like hiro killing sylar in the future timeline and issac painting a blown up new york in the present timeline. using this they can change their timeline to prevent becoming like the future timeline.

2. he is painting what is supposed to occur for the right future: that means everything he draws and everything they see will happen no matter what, there's no changing the future.

3. a combination of the two, in which they can change the future (doubt it).

4. something else.

as i said, i think new york goes.
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This is also another problem I had in understanding Issac abilities. If Issac can really predict the future, then what he painted will be the future, unless he can paint the future in another person perspective (or the paintings can changed when the future change? bah, it will be another paradox and it's getting too complicated)
 
nateDEEZY said:
In that future they were in, Sylar never killed Claire or got her powers and Peter never met Claire.
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In the original timeline, Claire was killed by Sylar. So Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to save her. When he returned to the future, everything was the same, so he wasn't sure he succeeded. Problem being, Sylar wasn't the bomb. Peter was. So Hiro's got it all wrong. Even if he kills Sylar, Peter could still become the bomb. Or "killing" Sylar just pisses him off, so he goes into hiding as others after killing shapeshifter girl, then takes over as Nathan, and we're back to where we were. Maybe even where Linderman wanted him to be.

And yeah, if the Haitian was around, or if the cut was bad enough and Peter couldn't completely heal, that could explain the scar. Maybe he just kept it as self punishment. He does feel guilty, even if it wasn't his fault.
 
angelneo said:
This is also another problem I had in understanding Issac abilities. If Issac can really predict the future, then what he painted will be the future, unless he can paint the future in another person perspective (or the paintings can changed when the future change? bah, it will be another paradox and it's getting too complicated)
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I'd say all he draws is the future as it currently will be, I don't think the pictures will change if you change the future based on the pictures.
 
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