That is what we assume. Remember the persuasive girl and haitian were also there waiting for Sylar. Again, Judging from Future Peter's scare he never met Claire either.
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Heroes Season 1, part 2
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That is what we assume. Remember the persuasive girl and haitian were also there waiting for Sylar. Again, Judging from Future Peter's scare he never met Claire either.
Or, as many on other boards have speculated, Peter didn't allow himself to heal after the bomb or something similar, specifically out of guilt.
Future Peter had met Claire. Claire also knew Nathan was her real Father. Remember Hiro changed things and returned to this future disappointed, wondering if he either failed or that it didn't change things. Past Hiro told him Peter had saved the cheerleader, but they don't know Peter is the bomb, not Sylar.
came up with a theory that explains how new york blows up, and how everything in issac's/sylar's paintings end up happening in the present timeline.
to start with, i think as some do that there are several timelines in the show.
timeline 1: claire is killed at homecoming by sylar, becomes practically immortal, new york blows up (not much else is known).
timeline 2: claire does not die at homecoming (peter or someone else saves her), new york blows up, sylar becomes president. this is the future we saw in last week's show. it's known that some things issac paints in this timeline doesn't happen in the timeline.
timeline 3: our present timeline where the show takes place.
timeline 4: timeline where new york doesn't blow up.
we know that in the show, issac has not been wrong on a single painting yet (at least in timeline 3), so pretty much it's going to happen, new york will blow up and will rebuild in 5 years. i remember watching another show, and in this show, they were talking about how comic book writers had a window to another dimension and what was in the comic was actually happening in that dimension. i think that sort of applies here. issac in the other timelines is perhaps only able to look at the future at timeline 3, the present timeline, and anything else that he draws in the other timelines is invalid. so everything he draws here will come true, as this could have been the timeline of destiny or something.
also notice how it seems like every time hiro makes a change in the past, it always moves him into another timeline of some sort. it's only when he doesn't make changes to the past when the timeline stays the same (i.e. charlie when he couldn't change her past). his power is probably limited to where he can't stay in the current timeline if he makes major changes to it, and we get into more complex stuff. an alternate version is that a different sequence of events happen in the other timelines completely without hiro's meddling, and hiro really can't do much to change the past, as it was supposed to happen this way based on issac's paintings.
peter's dream sequence of doom enters this as well. notice how it looks like nobody was in the city when peter exploded? and the fact there were two peters? peter was seeing the dream in his own eyes (or sylar's) while peter was blowing up? what if hiro stopped time long enough to get at least some people out of there, so that the death toll isn't as high as timeline #2. the things that happen in the painting occur anyway, but a different sequence of events happen here leading to the rebuilt new york.
so that's how everything is going to turn out. if new york doesn't blow up, then the show has probably moved out of timeline #3 and into timeline #4, and we have a bunch of new things to think about.
to start with, i think as some do that there are several timelines in the show.
timeline 1: claire is killed at homecoming by sylar, becomes practically immortal, new york blows up (not much else is known).
timeline 2: claire does not die at homecoming (peter or someone else saves her), new york blows up, sylar becomes president. this is the future we saw in last week's show. it's known that some things issac paints in this timeline doesn't happen in the timeline.
timeline 3: our present timeline where the show takes place.
timeline 4: timeline where new york doesn't blow up.
we know that in the show, issac has not been wrong on a single painting yet (at least in timeline 3), so pretty much it's going to happen, new york will blow up and will rebuild in 5 years. i remember watching another show, and in this show, they were talking about how comic book writers had a window to another dimension and what was in the comic was actually happening in that dimension. i think that sort of applies here. issac in the other timelines is perhaps only able to look at the future at timeline 3, the present timeline, and anything else that he draws in the other timelines is invalid. so everything he draws here will come true, as this could have been the timeline of destiny or something.
also notice how it seems like every time hiro makes a change in the past, it always moves him into another timeline of some sort. it's only when he doesn't make changes to the past when the timeline stays the same (i.e. charlie when he couldn't change her past). his power is probably limited to where he can't stay in the current timeline if he makes major changes to it, and we get into more complex stuff. an alternate version is that a different sequence of events happen in the other timelines completely without hiro's meddling, and hiro really can't do much to change the past, as it was supposed to happen this way based on issac's paintings.
peter's dream sequence of doom enters this as well. notice how it looks like nobody was in the city when peter exploded? and the fact there were two peters? peter was seeing the dream in his own eyes (or sylar's) while peter was blowing up? what if hiro stopped time long enough to get at least some people out of there, so that the death toll isn't as high as timeline #2. the things that happen in the painting occur anyway, but a different sequence of events happen here leading to the rebuilt new york.
so that's how everything is going to turn out. if new york doesn't blow up, then the show has probably moved out of timeline #3 and into timeline #4, and we have a bunch of new things to think about.
Nice timeline, Furcalchick!
I think you're pretty right on with your analysis.
I am also curious to see what Molly Walker's power is, since she featured heavily in the second episode and was mentioned again on Monday night in the episode and the previews. Clearly she means something important.
I think you're pretty right on with your analysis.
I am also curious to see what Molly Walker's power is, since she featured heavily in the second episode and was mentioned again on Monday night in the episode and the previews. Clearly she means something important.
Who is Molly Walker? My DVR stopped recording right after Peter and Sylar get into it... Was she the little girl that Parkman found hiding under the stairs?
Nice analysis on the possible timelines, furcalchick!
I'm still debating the actual timeline last episode was based in.
And some reason I can't get the heroes wiki to load.
I'm still debating the actual timeline last episode was based in.
And some reason I can't get the heroes wiki to load.
That's right, but Sylar also painted something, I just forgot what it was
Sylar painted (his version of) the picture of Nathan standing in the oval office. That's how he knows to go after Nathan.
So many good and interesting theories in this forum! I can't wait to see what happens. And I really should find some time to read all of those web comic episodes I've been ignoring.
More than the theories, they're tying in a lot of seemingly minor details from earlier episodes and I need to go back and watch them so I can make sure I'm caught up.
Well played, Heroes.
Heroes is what lost should have been.
I don't know. Lost has been awefully good the last couple of episodes. Definitely got its mojo back.
I agree. I've given up on Lost providing any minute detail of the past episodes. Heroes has done a fantastic job in this regard.
Although Lost has definitely made a comeback in the past few weeks.
I guess the ice was what sylar used to freeze molly walker's father with. I'm assuming the fire peter got from claire's mother.
What a bad ass scene xD
Not to mention, what a teaser!
good thread for us heroes fans to see what power we would likely have in the world of heroes: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/302106/
So far, these are the same timeline, as I said above. The future place currentHiro and Ando went to was changed by futureHiro when he went back to warn Peter to save Claire, but NY still blew up. Hopefully they deviate now that Hiro has seen the future and will seek to change it with the help of Ando, Peter, Claire, and the others. But Peter saved Claire, and NY is still set to blow up, because everyone thinks Sylar is the bomb, except currentPeter, who thinks it's him. FuturePeter confirmed it was him. Hiro was upset at himself for not stopping Sylar the first time around. Wondering if them all trying to stop Sylar isn't what actually sets into play Peter becoming the bomb.
And I thought the power Sylar showed was some sort of electro-magnetic pulse like Ted did when he, Parkman, and HRG were trying to escape, but it might be ice, and something did freeze Molly's parents.
can this show get any better? only thing i have to complain about is that picture sylar drew in his mothers blood. couldn't really see it with the glare from the lamp on the floor.
I thought it was another floorpocalypse.
I loved this episode in a totally different way...I thought we got some real insight into how the characters were evolving and responding to the mess around them.
I also wondered if Sylar's mom had a power...for a second when he was messing with the blood I thought he'd taken her brain.
Is it just me, or after that last episode this one didn't seem so good.
Really hard to follow that up.
Really hard to follow that up.
Not nearly as shocking but good none the less.
When Hiro originally went to steal the sword, didn't he pull out a half sword (the one from the Museum) or was it a wooden replica?
Hiro was trying to figure out why the timelines are different. In this timeline, he's not such a badd azz.
I was hoping that Sylar didn't kill his mom, it was a little cliche, although the blood painting was supposed to shock us, it came off a little weak.
The show seemed a little disjointed this week. Too much jumping between plots. A setup for the next two weeks, can't wait!
I really need to get more sleep
It was. He drew the same thing Isaac had drawn on the floor.....only he drew it in his mother's blood (ew).
All in all, good episode; decent cliffhanger at the end, at least. Can't wait for the next two weeks!
Do we know where Sylar got his ice power yet? I know he used it on Molly Walker's dad in episode 2, but I don't know that we've heard where he picked it up. Think he got it from Molly's father and then tested it out on him?