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Your condescending little snide remarks are not necessary in a civil discussion but are typically a ploy by those who know their back is against the wall and have no other avenue of escape. If you are unable to discuss something without being obnoxious about it, then really, this may not be the place for you. It shall be the last mentioned of it.

Fair enough, sorry about that but I am getting tired of repeating the same thing... Anybody who is going to read back this thread will get it, my job is done.

Read the article any way you wish, but the "90% app market share" and the EU/FTC investigation are independent of one another. The "90% app market share" was ONLY when there was no competition (2009).

I never said 90% in 2009, it was 99% in 2009 and I sent you the source for that. Now, I know I read and double checked another source that was saying 90% in 2010. I told you earlier I give you 2009 but if you want 2010 go look for it in Google, ending "if you do not find it I will search for you" so I did the search for you and could not find my source within the time I am willing to allocate, but I could not find anything that prove me wrong neither.

The truth is that the android ecosystem is not in place yet so I doubt very strongly that Apple has any less than 75% in 2010. I will get the study and I will come back post it here because I do not like to be called a liar. Just so you know, I never lie. Android competition to iPhone in term of application will only really start this year. FTC is investigating what happened prior to Spring 2010, which is when they started.

I am done arguing over this, anyone who read the thread check the sources and use Google will be able to make up their mind.
 
even Apple must think there is SOME need for choice given that they approved the App that allows limited flash translation- my layman's attempt at describing it)

No problem, I see what you refer too. It's a tool that Apple released with CS5 that allows to compile Flash applications into native iPhone application the way Steve wants them.

Now you make a very good point, however as soon as Adobe released that tool Apple changes the TOS and started to refuse every single application compiled with that tool. That is when Adobe said enough is enough and complained to the FTC and European Commission. Apple was constrained to change the TOS back and approve that tool. Only since then application compiled with that tool are being approved and the only reason is that if Apple plays hardball the EU will reopen the investigation and we know with Windows what they are capable off, they are no joke.

UPDATE: I just realized you were maybe making reference to Skyfire or something, which is a scam. Why pay several bucks just to see Youtube embeds? All what that app does it to send video to their server, then send it back to you in a format Steve like and all that for what? To accommodate his Flash phobia? And who pay for all that bandwidth? You. And who suffer for all the overhead? The network. SKYFIRE DOES NOT ALLOW TO SEE FLASH, it only trans-code video, straight video, you cannot even get the full Youtube player, can't get apps and can't get games. And once again you pay for it! It's not right. I dont care but it is not right for the consumer on a $600 phone.


And I really have no favorite in the battle between Apple and Adobe. I want battery life, stability AND a good user experience and I don't care which company gives that to me.

You got it, it is called Flash Player 10.2, here is a demo on PC and the new MacBook Air:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geK7geL3I40

Unfortunately I doubt you will ever see it on iPhone because once again Apple has a much less honorable agenda. Now maybe if enough consumers get tired to see Flash working very well in everyone's hand but theirs, they will make Apple bend. But that will not make Apple any less of an anti competition anti innovation (for anyone other than Apple) overgrown company up to no good. I guess Steve forgot the whole concept of underdog and became the new Microsoft. Or at least so he wishes because we are going to kick ass with Flash this year, it is going to be everywhere.
 
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Because wasn't Blu-Ray dead on arrival? If you think optical media will still be around in a couple years, you might actually have a stash of 8-tracks and beta tapes.

Optical media will be around for a decade or two at least. You're dreaming if you think downloads can match the quality of Blu-ray audio and video.

I can stream 1080p right now through my network. Why would I want a disc anymore?

Is that high bit rate 1080p? Can you stream DTS-HD or True-HD? Or even handle them? I thought not.

Netflix is solid.

Yeah, like poop.
 
I am sure techcrunch who love to write a crispy article about Apple and censure, I have saved every single pages, I was concerned at one point that I would be kicked out because I was making an informed point. It was paranoia I guess, sorry about that. However I am pretty resourceful when someone tries to mess with me when I did not do anything wrong. I did not insult anybody, I do not have to be nice, and the admin confirmed I only created a problem with multiple individual posts instead of grouping them, not their content.

Someone earlier said I should be cut off.

Do you know what "censor" means? Also, this website isn't run by Apple.
 
Optical media will be around for a decade or two at least. You're dreaming if you think downloads can match the quality of Blu-ray audio and video.



Is that high bit rate 1080p? Can you stream DTS-HD or True-HD? Or even handle them? I thought not.



Yeah, like poop.

I don't see BRD as a serious threat to iTunes because people like you and me appreciate uncompressed audio and video via BRD; however, we are in the minority since a vast majority of consumers have little problem with 720p iTunes and Netflix.

The main reason why Apple hasn't bought into BRD is because it simply isn't profitable for them --simple as that!
 
I've always thought that giving iPhone users a choice between using Flash and not using Flash made sense. It strikes me that it gives the consumer a choice between longer battery life and a better overall web experience. (even Apple must think there is SOME need for choice given that they approved the App that allows limited flash translation- my layman's attempt at describing it).
And I really have no favorite in the battle between Apple and Adobe. I want battery life, stability AND a good user experience and I don't care which company gives that to me.

I agree with you 100% on this. I only want the best experience I can get. If I can get it all, that's what I'll go with. If I have to chose between stability, battery life, and flash support. I'll take the stability and battery life if I have to give up ONE of the items. If I have to give up two things I would chose battery life and flash. I have heard the Android is good (the owner of my company has one and he thinks it is OK but does crash. A friend has the W7Phone and says the same thing) but not completely stable. To me, stability is the most important factor. For others, it might be battery life, or flash support. Fortunately we now have lots of different options, so every one gets to chose what they want. Some day maybe we'll get one that does all the above, but until then, we ALL have to make a choice. I just wish that people would understand that their choice doesn't fit everyone. Damn, sounds like we are talking about religion. :LOL:
 
Damn, sounds like we are talking about religion. :LOL:

To some of these posters, these issues seem like religion/politics.

Android is a good OS. 2.2 is good enough to be compared favorably with iOS4, but none of the dozens of Androids that I've owned has had as good battery life, stability, build quality, screen quality, or slickness.

However, the ability to customize the interface and to root an Android undeniably makes it very attractive to those who love to tinker and play with toys --that's why I've owned so many of them over the past year.
 
Flex, I say you should just give up trying to convince them. They have made their choices. Or, more accurately, Steve made their choices for them, and they won't back down.

After all, they're the ones who are going to have to get stuck with a gimped web browser on a gimped OS, why should you care?
 
I never said 90% in 2009, it was 99% in 2009 and I sent you the source for that. Now, I know I read and double checked another source that was saying 90% in 2010. I told you earlier I give you 2009 but if you want 2010 go look for it in Google, ending "if you do not find it I will search for you" so I did the search for you and could not find my source within the time I am willing to allocate, but I could not find anything that prove me wrong neither.

Best numbers I could find were from here.

Summary :
iPhone : 51%
iPad : 10.5%
Android : 30.1%.
RIM : 7.9%
Microsoft : 0.5%

So, Apple has 61.5%. And with no competition for the iPad in 2010, these numbers will just go down in 2011.

Competition and options are great, it is what makes the world go around. Without ANY competition, we end up with stagnant devices that don't progress for years. Look at Intel in the 80's; they released new processors so slowly; it wasn't until AMD came along and pushed them did things get better.
 
"We" do not want Flash, you do. I don't want Flash near my iPhone, or my iMac at that. If it's not available in HTML5, i don't care to view it. Period.
 
Android is a good OS. 2.2 is good enough to be compared favorably with iOS4, but none of the dozens of Androids that I've owned has had as good battery life, stability, build quality, screen quality, or slickness.

However, the ability to customize the interface and to root an Android undeniably makes it very attractive to those who love to tinker and play with toys --that's why I've owned so many of them over the past year.

That's how I see it. My thought is that one of the big weaknesses of the Android is that it makes it very difficult for App developers to support all of the devices because there are so many variations. Sure having options is a good thing, but sometimes too many options makes life difficult.

I used to love to tinker with my toys but now I'm just too darn busy to tinker, I just want something that works when I need it to work. I did jailbreak my phone one time, but ended up not doing anything with it because I just didn't have time to do it right and tinker, tinker, tinker. So I went back to normal iOS, I doubt I'd do it again.
 
Flex, I say you should just give up trying to convince them. They have made their choices. Or, more accurately, Steve made their choices for them, and they won't back down.

After all, they're the ones who are going to have to get stuck with a gimped web browser on a gimped OS, why should you care?

True. As long as that is all there is to it. Because until now Apple was pushing too far! Making everyone believe HTML5 this., HTML5 that... Why is not Apple giving its people a kick ass HTML5 editor? All they have is the ad thing. So, they abuse their market dominance to force HTML5 on everyone too soon just so Flash can be screwed?

Engineers at Yahoo and Vimeo said they implemented HTML5 now because it was the only way to get on iDevices, and it tripled their development cost. That is a big no no. If Steve wants crap for its users fine, but keep it on iPhone. Thanks god for Google because otherwise Steve Jobs would have successfully got rid of Flash and THAT is not over my dead body!

"We" do not want Flash, you do. I don't want Flash near my iPhone, or my iMac at that. If it's not available in HTML5, i don't care to view it. Period.

Ok then keep HTML5 on your device and leave everyone alone. Don't push an embryo markup language on an entire industry just to accommodate your corporate agenda and make the browser unusable commercially. Once again, without Google Apple might have gotten rid of Flash by killing it not because it is not good enough but because it is too good and threaten two Apple's money makers: iTunes and AppStore. Is that ok with you? Fine. Not with me and not with the millions of us Flash developers.
 
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Ok then keep HTML5 on your device and leave everyone alone. Don't push an embryo markup language on an entire industry just to accommodate your corporate agenda and make the browser unusable commercially. Once again, without Google Apple might have gotten rid of Flash by killing it. Is that ok with you? Fine. Not with me and not with the million of us Flash developers.

Here's the thing: if you want Flash on your phone you do have have a choice, you can buy an Android phone. But for us that don't want Flash the fact that Apple doesn't allow it on iOS is a big part of the reason why we now have so much HTML5 content. So allowing Flash on iOS would be a step backwards for the people that don't want it.
 
Best numbers I could find were from here.
So, Apple has 61.5%. And with no competition for the iPad in 2010, these numbers will just go down in 2011.

That's one app during the Holidays, I am talking global applications market, the sell of all the applications on all mobile devices worldwide.

But let's assume it is representative of the market, because I am getting tired, it still makes my point, 61% would be enough to infringe the law if there is any kind of scheme that leverages it. Once again, we shall see soon, FTC will make the results public regardless of what they are, they just do not comment until it is done.
 
Here's the thing: if you want Flash on your phone you do have have a choice, you can buy an Android phone. But for us that don't want Flash the fact that Apple doesn't allow it on iOS is a big part of the reason why we now have so much HTML5 content. So allowing Flash on iOS would be a step backwards for the people that don't want it.

You are totally missing my point, I invite you to read my previous posts. It is not about Flash on iPhone, who cares about that other than Apple's consumers? It is Apple's anti trust, anti competitive and anti innovation conducts.

I wouldn't mind having a choice (so don't lay into me) but I think this is very telling. Developers usually love Flash because it's easier to use than many other tools/languages. However, users seem to hate it.

So why is the fact that there is no Flash on iPhone the #1 complain from users? Let me find the source again.

Now I invite you to do something I have done, because at the end of the day all I want is the best for my clients and their customers, so I went to 6 ATT stores and asked what is the main reasons people do not buy an iPhone. Flash was mentioned by every single sales person I asked.
 
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Here's the thing: if you want Flash on your phone you do have have a choice, you can buy an Android phone. But for us that don't want Flash the fact that Apple doesn't allow it on iOS is a big part of the reason why we now have so much HTML5 content. So allowing Flash on iOS would be a step backwards for the people that don't want it.

Flash is still going to die eventually. The internet went from a very small percentage of sites having HTML5 to over 50% within a few months of the iPad being released. The last i read it's closer to 78% now. At some point Flash will be phased out. Like it or not. Sure, it'll be on a random site here and there, but in general, it's going to die.
 
So why is the fact that there is no Flash on iPhone the #1 complain from users? Let me find the source again.

Now I invite you to do something I have done, because at the end of the day all I want is the best for my clients and their customers, so I went to 6 ATT stores and asked what is the main reasons people do not buy an iPhone. Flash was mentioned by every single sales person I asked.
That doesn't mean it's not the No. 1 complaint of users as well.
 
Flash is still going to die eventually. The internet went from a very small percentage of sites having HTML5 to over 50% within a few months of the iPad being released. The last i read it's closer to 78% now. At some point Flash will be phased out. Like it or not. Sure, it'll be on a random site here and there, but in general, it's going to die.

Microsoft said that years ago. Anyway, by the time HTML gets remotely close to do what Flash does, Adobe would have pushed it way far ahead and it will be always like that.

HTML5 is an embryo markup language (also called a ‘draft’) that is being compared with a fully mature, full feature object oriented programming language called ActionScript, used to build enterprise class Flash apps.

Thinking that HTML5 with javascript (another developer’s nightmare itself) can do everything a serious programming language does is delusional, it would be like saying I can drive to the moon with my car, it does not matter how good the car is or how motivated I am, it’s just not going to happen.

Never will HTML5 get even close to Flash and the reasons are:

* HTML5 is a draft created in 2008 that is not expected to become a ‘Candidate Recommendation’ before 2012 and is not expected to become an actual W3C ‘Recommendation’ before 2022 or later (Source: Wikipedia).
* HTML5 is a specification that requires years of efforts before new features and improvments can be fully deployed.
* HTML5 is not a programming language nor does it permit the protection and / or monetization of digital content without depending on another proprietary system such as iOS or Playstation.
* HTML5 is not 100% consistent accross browser therefore it can be visually rendered differently by Safari, Internet Explorer, Chrome, Firefox or Opera on Windows or Mac or any combination of those. Some website might have parts or features that work on some browsers and not others, or render differently in each with additional discrepency depending on the operating system used (PC, Mac, Linux).

Fact #1 - HTML5 is a Gigantic Mess!

HTML5 implementation is left to the browser… So what does that mean? It means that unlike the Flash Player which is the same everywhere and work the same everywhere, HTML5 is implemented by browser vendors, so basically Safari, Chrome, IE, Firefox, Opera all have their own way to deal with HTML5 and render it on screen.

As a result, developers using HTML5 spend 25% to 50% of their time making sure that each step works well on each and every browser, or don’t and deliver websites that will be broken in some browsers. Apple will make sure it breaks on IE, Chrome or Firefox and then will tell us “that’s because you don’t use Safari!”. Who use Safari anyway? 5% of users worldwide and 11% in the US! HTML and CSS are a nightmare I went through for years (I’ve done HTML and CSS for 11 years) until Flash came into my life. HTML5 is no exception.

Now who decides the future of HTML5? Google, Adobe, Mozilla, Apple… all competitors, most of which owning a browser, each with their own agenda, trying to block each other at one point or another. All those people have to agree before anything is added into the HTML5 standard.

Then, we have to wait for each browser vendor to implement the new features or changes. Did I mention that any browser vendor can decide to not implement a new feature at all even though it was added to the HTML5 standard? The’ve done it in the past and they will do it again, usually to block a competitor’s technology or product. When a feature is not implemented by any of the browsers then developers can’t use it, or the page will only work on certain browsers. A nightmare in a nightmare.

Meanwhile, Adobe has some of the best software rocket scientists on earth and does not need anyone’s approval to innovate. Its Digital Video and Rich Internet Application (RIA) technologies including Flash, Flex and AIR work everywhere in a consistent manner on the web, desktops, mobiles, tablets, IP connected TVs including all browsers, platforms and operating systems but Apple’s.
 
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Flash is still going to die eventually. The internet went from a very small percentage of sites having HTML5 to over 50% within a few months of the iPad being released. The last i read it's closer to 78% now. At some point Flash will be phased out. Like it or not. Sure, it'll be on a random site here and there, but in general, it's going to die.

So do you have sources to back these numbers up or are you just pulling them out of your ass?

There's still lots of network video that the Android phones can play quite nicely now (and for free) whereas the iPhone cannot.

Which is exactly why Android is on the fast track to put Apple on the back shelf.
 
Microsoft said that years ago. Anyway, by the time HTML gets remotely close to do what Flash does, Adobe would have pushed it way far ahead and it will be always like that.



HTML5 is an embryo markup language (also called a ‘draft’) that is being compared with a fully mature, full feature object oriented programming language called ActionScript, used to build enterprise class Flash apps.

Thinking that HTML5 with javascript (another developer’s nightmare itself) can do everything a serious programming language does is delusional, it would be like saying I can drive to the moon with my car, it does not matter how good the car is or how motivated I am, it’s just not going to happen.

Never will HTML5 get even close to Flash and the reasons are:

* HTML5 is a draft created in 2008 that is not expected to become a ‘Candidate Recommendation’ before 2012 and is not expected to become an actual W3C ‘Recommendation’ before 2022 or later (Source: Wikipedia).
* HTML5 is a specification that requires years of efforts before new features and improvments can be fully deployed.
* HTML5 is not a programming language nor does it permit the protection and / or monetization of digital content without depending on another proprietary system such as iOS or Playstation.
* HTML5 is not 100% consistent accross browser therefore it can be visually rendered differently by Safari, Internet Explorer, Chrome, Firefox or Opera on Windows or Mac or any combination of those. Some website might have parts or features that work on some browsers and not others, or render differently in each with additional discrepency depending on the operating system used (PC, Mac, Linux).

Fact #1 - HTML5 is a Gigantic Mess!

HTML5 implementation is left to the browser… So what does that mean? It means that unlike the Flash Player which is the same everywhere and work the same everywhere, HTML5 is implemented by browser vendors, so basically Safari, Chrome, IE, Firefox, Opera all have their own way to deal with HTML5 and render it on screen.

As a result, developers using HTML5 spend 25% to 50% of their time making sure that each step works well on each and every browser, or don’t and deliver websites that will be broken in some browsers. Apple will make sure it breaks on IE, Chrome or Firefox and then will tell us “that’s because you don’t use Safari!”. Who use Safari anyway? 5% of users worldwide and 11% in the US! HTML and CSS are a nightmare I went through for years (I’ve done HTML and CSS for 11 years) until Flash came into my life. HTML5 is no exception.

Now who decides the future of HTML5? Google, Adobe, Mozilla, Apple… all competitors, most of which owning a browser, each with their own agenda, trying to block each other at one point or another. All those people have to agree before anything is added into the HTML5 standard.

Then, we have to wait for each browser vendor to implement the new features or changes. Did I mention that any browser vendor can decide to not implement a new feature at all even though it was added to the HTML5 standard? The’ve done it in the past and they will do it again, usually to block a competitor’s technology or product. When a feature is not implemented by any of the browsers then developers can’t use it, or the page will only work on certain browsers. A nightmare in a nightmare.

Meanwhile, Adobe has some of the best software rocket scientists on earth and does not need anyone’s approval to innovate. Its Digital Video and Rich Internet Application (RIA) technologies including Flash, Flex and AIR work everywhere in a consistent manner on the web, desktops, mobiles, tablets, IP connected TVs including all browsers, platforms and operating systems but Apple’s.

So your whole blog is about Apple and Flash...and 1 blog entry...Sad.
 
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