Hey Apple...Adobe has learned its lesson! We want Flash

[mKTank]

So your whole blog is about Apple and Flash...and 1 blog entry...Sad.

That's your only argument? Seriously?


Now you know why I said you should give up and let these people rot in their filth, Flex?

Trust me, I've been quite the crusader for Flash for the past couple of months, but there's just no way that these people are going to back down. Not until Steve Jobs says so, anyway. Then they make-believe that it's their own choices and that Flash magically happens to run like crap on all operating systems, including Windows, just to make themselves feel better. It's so rage-inducing trying to deal with these hipsters. You should see the Bluray thread. It's filled with hundreds of them going 'hurr durr but bluray is outdated, ill get from itunes instead lolz'

 

[Moyank24]

That's your only argument? Seriously?


Now you know why I said you should give up and let these people rot in their filth, Flex?

Trust me, I've been quite the crusader for Flash for the past couple of months, but there's just no way that these people are going to back down. Not until Steve Jobs says so, anyway. Then they make-believe that it's their own choices and that Flash magically happens to run like crap on all operating systems, including Windows, just to make themselves feel better. It's so rage-inducing trying to deal with these hipsters. You should see the Bluray thread. It's filled with hundreds of them going 'hurr durr but bluray is outdated, ill get from itunes instead lolz'

You're argument is quite sad as well. There have been people in this thread giving valid reasons and personal experiences and your only rebuttal can be we are all brainwashed.

That is offensive to me. I don't need some blog, or some CEO, or some google statistics to tell me what works FOR ME and what doesn't. I work hard for my money, and I wouldn't spend it on something that I didn't feel was useful. And I certainly wouldn't buy something because Steve Jobs told me to. I'm not some fangirl who would blindly throw my money at some billionaire CEO.

The fact is that if I found something that worked better for me than the iPhone I would buy it. So far I haven't. But if something comes along I wouldn't hesitate to spend my hard earned money on a product that didn't have an Apple logo.

We all use our phones in different ways. I spend more time reading books in Stanza (see, I don't even need iBooks) than anything else. I use Apps to check scores for my favorite teams and to IM. I hardly ever use Safari. I really only use it to check this forum and my work e-mail. So, not having Flash isn't a huge deal. If I had it I wouldn't notice it.

As far as Flash on my Mac, it crippled Safari. I don't care who's fault it is. It didn't work. My browsing experience has been 100 times better since I removed it. I'm not saying that everyone has had the same experience, but I do know that I'm not the only person that has done it. So others must be having the same difficulties. I will say again, I have no faith in Flash because it worked like crap for me. Not because Steve Jobs doesn't like it. To continue to use that as a crutch for those who disagree with you makes your argument much weaker.

Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean we are brainwashed idiots. We have a basis for our opinions just as you do.

 

[Maaz]

Don't say "we" it's just you.

 

[mKTank]

The other realists still want Flash.


Also, Apple should have seen how Frash runs excellently on the iDevices. But they still cling onto childish grudges, as do you. Personal beliefs? Oh please. Unless you're just not that much of a heavy user, I can't imagine somebody would rather realistically choose a web browsing experience that is riddled with "Please install Flash 10.1 to view this content" when every single other device is doing it properly with no compromise. Instead of it being Adobe's fault that Flash runs like ass on OSX, why is it not Apple's fault? Microsoft helped Adobe, Google helped Adobe, and RIM helped Adobe, and thus, Flash runs excellently on all devices made by those companies (WP7 coming soon) whereas Apple doesn't even bother. Well an EVO build of Flash surfaced on the iPad in the form of Frash and it ran amazingly well. So yes, Adobe did learn their lessons, and the success of Frash and Skyfire ought to tell most people here that Flash is desired by millions among millions of people who realize HTML5 is a joke in its current form compared to Flash. Thinking back to HTML5 sites, all I can remember is HTML5 demo sites and SoundCloud. Thinking back to Flash sites...well, it's everything. YouTube, Newgrounds, pretty much every video streaming site in existence, almost every online game site, and even the small conveniences like Pizza Hut. Instead of opting for some crappy workaround (SharePod for media management, AirPrint hack because Apple removed it, broken-ish Frash for Flash, Skyfire for Flash, Cydia for customizability, Cydia for mapping volume buttons to take pictures, Cydia for mapping volume buttons to change tracks, dTunes or other apps to download stuff, iFile for a file manager, MyWi for some real tethering features, MuteSwitch for mapping the iPad mute switch to Orientation Lock, ProSwitcher for proper multi-tasking, SBSettings for quick settings, lockscreen mods for lockscreen info past just telling the time, using horrible iTunes to use alternative media apps like VLC, and the list goes on and on and on...) why can't Apple stop being such babies and let the customers make their choice? Stevie doesn't like Flash. Okay, we get it. Unfortunately, millions of users disagree with him hence the popularity of Android. So why doesn't he let everybody be happy by choosing?

But no let's decide for the user. Unfortunately this approach sucks. It works very good if you just so happen to like idiotic limitations like the ones imposed by iProducts and have no problems coping with them. Personally, I got fed up with iTunes' crap and got myself a Focus. It's a breath of fresh air. But that's irrelevant.

Somehow there are still users out there that think Apple not giving users the choice is the best move. Just like there's a Flat Earth Society, I suppose.

 

[applebook]

Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean we are brainwashed idiots. We have a basis for our opinions just as you do.

Apparently, a guy like him is stunned that a majority of posters on an APPLE forum disagrees with him and agrees with Steve Jobs.

He, like the other guy here, is clearly just trolling for flames because he cannot possibly be obtuse enough to think that Apple forum readers enjoy being called the imprecations that he spews, and that he is genuinely surprised that Apple actually has supporters.

I also love the feeble circular rationalization that he (like all trolls) has resorted to.

Up until today, I didn't have a single user on my ignore list, but this dude has just made number three already.

 

[tjb1]

That's your only argument? Seriously?


Now you know why I said you should give up and let these people rot in their filth, Flex?

Trust me, I've been quite the crusader for Flash for the past couple of months, but there's just no way that these people are going to back down. Not until Steve Jobs says so, anyway. Then they make-believe that it's their own choices and that Flash magically happens to run like crap on all operating systems, including Windows, just to make themselves feel better. It's so rage-inducing trying to deal with these hipsters. You should see the Bluray thread. It's filled with hundreds of them going 'hurr durr but bluray is outdated, ill get from itunes instead lolz'

I didnt want to contribute to the trolling...but I think flash should be enabled. A lot of the internet still uses flash and if I want to use it, I should be able to...I paid $225 for my iPod Touch and it cant view websites but it can do multi touch, measure g-force, has tilt controls for games and such...but it cant view a website with flash. Fine Steve, if you dont like Adobe deal with it...not shove it on all the consumers.

And all you whine about it crashing browsers, I use flash all the time and have never had a browser crash because of it...Safari, Chrome, IE...none have crashed. And im not sure if many of you realize, but YouTube is like 90% FLASH, I do have a flash control on Chrome but its to stop all the FLASH ADS. I have tried the beta of Chrome that supports HTML5, I signed up on YouTube for HTML5 and you know what...IT SUCKED, the controls were horrible and the video quality was piss poor. Removed the crappy beta of Chrome, turned off HTML5 on YouTube and now im back to flash.

 

[applebook]

The only person you need to blame is yourself for buying an iPod that you KNEW did not have Flash.

Would you buy an automatic tranny car and whine about how it doesn't have a clutch?

You know that Flash doesn't crash when it isn't even officially on iOS devices? 10.2 has made significant improvements, but before then, Flash was borderline unusable. If Adobe continues to improve the Android plug-in and delivers a serviceable version for WP7, then I would agree that Apple needs to have Flash on iDevices, but right now, Flash on handhelds isn't up to Apple's standards of usability --and neither does it meet mine since I always turn it off on my Androids.

 

[mKTank]

I didnt want to contribute to the trolling...but I think flash should be enabled. A lot of the internet still uses flash and if I want to use it, I should be able to...I paid $225 for my iPod Touch and it cant view websites but it can do multi touch, measure g-force, has tilt controls for games and such...but it cant view a website with flash. Fine Steve, if you dont like Adobe deal with it...not shove it on all the consumers.

And all you whine about it crashing browsers, I use flash all the time and have never had a browser crash because of it...Safari, Chrome, IE...none have crashed. And im not sure if many of you realize, but YouTube is like 90% FLASH, I do have a flash control on Chrome but its to stop all the FLASH ADS. I have tried the beta of Chrome that supports HTML5, I signed up on YouTube for HTML5 and you know what...IT SUCKED, the controls were horrible and the video quality was piss poor. Removed the crappy beta of Chrome, turned off HTML5 on YouTube and now im back to flash.

Don't bother, they're too bone-headed.

 

[Tarzanman]

Whether flash sucks or not... it would be nice to have the option to run it, wouldn't it?

LOL at Steve Jobs telling you what you can/can't have.

 

[Moyank24]

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I have said more than once in this thread I'd be all for the option to have it and to turn it on/off.

That being said, after 4 different phones with no flash, millions on top of millions continue to buy this phone. So either it's just not that big of a deal to these people or there are way more fanboys than we thought.

And newsflash, every company that makes something or builds something decides what does or doesn't go on it or in it. We, as the consumer make the choice to purchase or not.

 

[CylonGlitch]

I have said more than once in this thread I'd be all for the option to have it and to turn it on/off.

. . .

And newsflash, every company that makes something or builds something decides what does or doesn't go on it or in it. We, as the consumer make the choice to purchase or not.

Exactly what I and others have said over and over again, but there are a few on both sides of the coin here that just want to state that their opinion is right and everyone else is wrong. Sadly these are the "fan boys" and they are on both sides of the argument here.

Jobs says that the reason there is no flash on the iOS devices is because it isn't good enough (table, usability, battery life, etc. . . ) for the average consumer to get a good experience with (especially when the devices were first designed, not the current beta flash). Because he is all about the end user experience, he felt it in their best interest to NOT support it. When the iPhone first came out, Adobe did little to get Flash working on it; and rightfully so because it initially had no market share. Today it has a good market and now finally Adobe has a version that "MIGHT" work on the iPhone. But is it too little too late? Have they already pissed off Apple so that Jobs will never let it on? Maybe. When someone actively bashes you on your ascension (which Adobe did by complaining publicly about Apple) don't be surprised if they shun you when they make it to the top.

Now, is this right? Is this the BEST thing for the end user? No, of course not. I would like to see an option to have flash on iOS devices but if it causes instability or low battery life, maybe it is better being left off. Or, in my humble opinion, leave it in, but off by default so that people that know how or want to, can turn it on. If it is causing crashes, from Apple's stand point, it becomes their problem because the average person doesn't understand that their Apple Phone is crashing, so why is it Adobe's fault? It can be a huge customer service nightmare.

Both sides are wrong, they should sit down figure out what's best and move on with it.

 

[VulchR]

...
I start a new contract at VMware in San Jose next month, the largest Flash application ever built...

Yet another reason to affirm my decision to go with Parallels Desktop...

Seriously, though, in reading this thread I am still convinced that Apple should allow Flash on the iPhone. If it sucks, then it's Adobe's problem. In the end the processor on the iPhone is just like any other CPU – capable of performing an infinite number of algorithms. Flash is just like any programming language – it converts a symbolic language that humans can cope with and translates it into CPU instructions. Thus, arguing about the merits of Flash versus HTML5 makes little sense since they both are functionally equivalent or have the potential to be since they are undergoing development.

What counts is the user experience. And right now, I, for one, would risk the drawbacks of having Flash on my iPhone to avoid the stupid little blue boxes that tell me I can't do what I want to do (provided turning Flash on was optional and there was a way of deleting Flash LSO's after each browsing session).

I doubt it will ever happen, which makes most of this thread rather pointless, no?

 

[flexengineer]

Yet another reason to affirm my decision to go with Parallels Desktop...

Haha, you are being cute, it's refreshing, we needed a bit of that around here =;o)

To me, stability is the most important factor. For others, it might be battery life, or flash support. Fortunately we now have lots of different options, so every one gets to chose what they want. Some day maybe we'll get one that does all the above, but until then, we ALL have to make a choice. I just wish that people would understand that their choice doesn't fit everyone.

Seriously, though, in reading this thread I am still convinced that Apple should allow Flash on the iPhone. If it sucks, then it's Adobe's problem. ... Thus, arguing about the merits of Flash versus HTML5 makes little sense since they both are functionally equivalent or have the potential to be since they are undergoing development.

Exactly what I and others have said over and over again, but there are a few on both sides of the coin here that just want to state that their opinion is right and everyone else is wrong. Sadly these are the "fan boys" and they are on both sides of the argument here. ... Or, in my humble opinion, leave it in, but off by default so that people that know how or want to, can turn it on. If it is causing crashes, from Apple's stand point, it becomes their problem because the average person doesn't understand that their Apple Phone is crashing, so why is it Adobe's fault? It can be a huge customer service nightmare.

Right now Apple does not give any choice, they dictate what you can do or not based on corporate agenda and at the cost of customers. Apple could have solve very easily the issue of having its customer complain about Flash thinking it is because of Apple, all the company had to do is to allow user to turn it on and off and set it off by default. When people have a problem, they will turn Flash off. If the problem persists, they call Apple. If it does not, they call Adobe. But that is not the true motive of Apple's conduct, the company is up to no good and makes everyone believe that it is a performance issue. It is in fact a corporate agenda / strategy issue and Apple's customers are paying for it. Once again, let's just leave the FTC do its job, we will know soon enough.

Flex, I say you should just give up trying to convince them. They have made their choices. Or, more accurately, Steve made their choices for them, and they won't back down. After all, they're the ones who are going to have to get stuck with a gimped web browser on a gimped OS, why should you care?

What counts is the user experience. And right now, I, for one, would risk the drawbacks of having Flash on my iPhone to avoid the stupid little blue boxes that tell me I can't do what I want to do (provided turning Flash on was optional and there was a way of deleting Flash LSO's after each browsing session). I doubt it will ever happen, which makes most of this thread rather pointless, no?

I do not think so, the most we talk about it, the more people will see what is going on. Why do you think I comment on every single article or blog post I can find on the matter? I do not care about Flash haters, they will not change but for every Flash hater that attacks me here, 20 normal people start seeing what's going on. When enough customers will be tired of it and will demand Flash from Apple, Steve will have to bend or take a chance to be responsible for a backslash which will affect the stock. Apple will support Flash only if either the FTC or its customers crack it open.

The only person you need to blame is yourself for buying an iPod that you KNEW did not have Flash. Would you buy an automatic tranny car and whine about how it doesn't have a clutch?

Most consumers did not even know what Flash was before this mess, most people only started to get to know what it is when they started to get blue boxes and broken web all over, or when Steve Jobs started to go on and on and on about it in the media, on the Apple.com website, during keynotes... He made Flash more famous that it has ever been! I was blown away to see TV commercial for a phone mentioning Flash! And I was even more blown away to hear Howard Stern mention Flash in his show! It would have never happened before. I guess at least I should thank Steve for making Flash famous among the masses!

Howard Stern on why IPAD sucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgSwk8svQI

That doesn't mean it's not the No. 1 complaint of users as well.

"Of the top iPad gripes in a May survey of 153 new iPad owners, 11% named the lack of Adobe’s software as their top turnoff. A smudge-prone screen (an obvious problem with a device one must put their greasy fingers on all day) and problems with Internet connectivity tied for the next most common complaint at 9%."

http://www.investorplace.com/5265/a...be-flash-adbe-customer-satisfaction-complaint

So your whole blog is about Apple and Flash...and 1 blog entry...Sad.

Why do you lie? Unless you are blind you will see there are a couple other articles I wrote in 2007 including one about Facebook that was pretty sharp! I just did not have time to blog but I am taking the time now because there is a matter for which I am very knowledgeable. I only talk about what I know, tell me again what is your knowledge of Flash from an engineering standpoint?

Now, why does it matter? Even if I created that blog for the only purpose to publish this article it will not change a thing about its content. Thank you for sharing your personal feelings though.

That's how I see it. My thought is that one of the big weaknesses of the Android is that it makes it very difficult for App developers to support all of the devices because there are so many variations.

The solution is called Adobe Device Central and Adobe InMarket which is being launched in partnership with industry leaders. I mean, Apple excluded of course.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/devicecentral/features/

 

[CylonGlitch]

Right now Apple does not give any choice, they dictate what you can do or not based on corporate agenda and at the cost of customers. Apple could have solve very easily the issue of having its customer complain about Flash thinking it is because of Apple, all the company had to do is to allow user to turn it on and off and set it off by default. When people have a problem, they will turn Flash off. If the problem persists, they call Apple. If it does not, they call Adobe. But that is not the true motive of Apple's conduct, the company is up to no good and makes everyone believe that it is a performance issue. It is in fact a corporate agenda / strategy issue and Apple's customers are paying for it. Once again, let's just leave the FTC do its job, we will know soon enough.

You give the average consumer WAY too much credit. 99% of the people don't know what Flash is, who makes it and doesn't care. If they buy a phone from Apple and they turn on "Flash" (once they realize that it isn't the flash for the camera) and they have power and instability problems, they are going to bitch at Apple. Ok, maybe not 99% but MOST people have no clue about that. Those who post blogs, or on forums are by far NOT the majority. When something doesn't work, they are going to look at their phone, see the name Apple and blame them. People download apps all the time that are poorly written and then complain the iPhone sucks. In general, people don't care about anything inside the piece of hardware, they look at the name on the hardware. I've heard of more then one person complain that they formatted their hard drive and now the machine won't boot -- so it is a piece of crap Dell / Gateway / whatever.

Hell, I had one customer complain that their hardware system wasn't working right because the on-screen prompt said, "Press the Green Button to continue" and they would press it, hold it, and it would cause problems . . . because the the system never told them to "RELEASE the Green Button." So yes, we had to code the system to detect first the PRESS, then update the prompt to say, "RELEASE" and then move on.

 

[BaldiMac]

Right now Apple does not give any choice, they dictate what you can do or not based on corporate agenda and at the cost of customers. Apple could have solve very easily the issue of having its customer complain about Flash thinking it is because of Apple, all the company had to do is to allow user to turn it on and off and set it off by default. When people have a problem, they will turn Flash off. If the problem persists, they call Apple. If it does not, they call Adobe.

Ironically, it's you that is arguing for taking away choice. Apple's choice. And the choice of those people who choose to buy a device that does not support Flash. Everyone else already has a choice to buy a device with the features that they want.

But that is not the true motive of Apple's conduct, the company is up to no good and makes everyone believe that it is a performance issue. It is in fact a corporate agenda / strategy issue and Apple's customers are paying for it.

Apple has not claimed that performance issues are the only reason for excluding Flash. They are one of several reasons. Like your claim of Apple "lies", you have made up Apple's claims and motives to serve your point.

Once again, let's just leave the FTC do its job, we will know soon enough.

Again with your references to FTC investigations. What are you claiming that Apple is doing that is illegal? Not adding plugin support to their browser? You really think the FTC can force them to do that?

"Of the top iPad gripes in a May survey of 153 new iPad owners, 11% named the lack of Adobe’s software as their top turnoff. A smudge-prone screen (an obvious problem with a device one must put their greasy fingers on all day) and problems with Internet connectivity tied for the next most common complaint at 9%."

http://www.investorplace.com/5265/a...be-flash-adbe-customer-satisfaction-complaint

11%. Almost as many are upset by smudges. Sounds like not a big deal to me.

 

[TapHappy]

Wow, didn't mean to start a holy war LOL! #justsayin

 

[CylonGlitch]

The solution is called Adobe Device Central and Adobe InMarket which is being launched in partnership with industry leaders. I mean, Apple excluded of course.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/devicecentral/features/

Interesting concept except it doesn't help the app developer support the different configurations it allows them to test on different configurations and that is completely different.

If you have a device that has 800x600 resolution and 10 other devices that have various screen resolutions and even worse aspect ratios; then to make everything universally correct across all devices you would need to scale your image maps to meet those requirements. Thus each potential resolution would have it's own set of data and look the best. You could use internal functions to scale the images but then you are using processing power to do this scaling and a scaled image never looks as good as a native resolution one. Sure it may work, but that doesn't mean it works correctly.

Having a test suite like this is a great step in the right direction for developers but it doesn't make it any less of a pain in the ass to develop for. That's what I was saying; not that it cannot be done, just it is a pain. Fortunately for the iPhone you really only have one hardware platform to deal with and thus reduces unnecessary complexity of handling all the different configurations.

There is also designing to the least common factor issue as well. When writing code to run a variety of devices, it is often easiest to design to the weakest of the bunch. Example if you are writing an app and 1/2 the targeted devices have 4GB of RAM and the other have have 8GB then to get maximum market share you design to the 4GB system because it will work on BOTH halves of the market. Even though you could add more features if you used all 8GB; developers need to weigh in the value of isolating half their customer base. But memory is only ONE aspect, what about audio and video, again, each of these could be segmented into different groups (resolution, bit rate, etc). And of course, flash storage, another segmentation. From a developer stand point; if you are writing for a standard hardware platform where you KNOW all of the devices will have at least 4GB of RAM or that they all have the same screen resolution, or whatever; it really makes development easier.

Again, that Adobe package looks great for testing across many different phones, and it does reduce development errors; but it doesn't reduce the developers complexity problem.

 

[tjb1]

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I have said more than once in this thread I'd be all for the option to have it and to turn it on/off.

That being said, after 4 different phones with no flash, millions on top of millions continue to buy this phone. So either it's just not that big of a deal to these people or there are way more fanboys than we thought.

And newsflash, every company that makes something or builds something decides what does or doesn't go on it or in it. We, as the consumer make the choice to purchase or not.

Yes but how many buy the phone that know nothing about a computer? Many would try to visit a site that has a flash and not know what is happening...

Yes the company decides, but im getting tired of Steve deciding what the iPod Touch can and can not handle. I have a 2G and the multitask/change background update started the loss of function for the 2G, funny I was changing backgrounds on a jailbreak in the 3.X firmwares...and if you do a jailbreak now the first thing it asks you is if you want multitasking turned on.

Its not that the 2g iPod Touch cant handle it, its Steve wants more money. 2g is too old so he wants you to buy the 4g touch...

 

[CZK]

lol'd at this topic.. why its still being discussed ?



General----->Settings------>Flash ON/OFF

Simple no ?

 

[BaldiMac]

lol'd at this topic.. why its still being discussed ?



General----->Settings------>Flash ON/OFF

Simple no ?

If you read the discussion, you would understand why it's not so simple. It's been brought up many times.

 

[tjb1]

lol'd at this topic.. why its still being discussed ?



General----->Settings------>Flash ON/OFF

Simple no ?

Yes, I dont see why everyone doesnt want additional support...dont want to use it, turn it off.

Everyone trollin... FLASH IS BAD >.< STEVE AND APPLE R GAWD

I should send this thread to RayWilliamJohnson...

 

[CylonGlitch]

11%. Almost as many are upset by smudges. Sounds like not a big deal to me.

All responses are within +/- 2%; thus statistically the same. Sure maybe a FEW more want Flash but basically it is saying that people would be just as happy if they just stopped eating french fries while touching their screen as needing flash.

The more interesting stat is the satisfaction rate. Even with these 'issues' 74% are very satisfied, and 17% are somewhat satisfied. Meaning that 91% are satisfied with their iPads AS IT IS. That is a great customer satisfaction rate for any product. If they added Flash maybe that would move up a few points (but it could also move down). From Apple's stand point, keeping 90+% happy without having to change anything is the safest business move.

Listen, I understand the desire for having Flash on the iOS devices, and it does make sense to me to have a switch. BUT from a business sense, it may not make sense. I can see why Apple is choosing not to support it; and I may not agree with that move, but I can understand it. It is business. If at the end of the day they get a great satisfaction rate without supporting it, then why do they need risking adding someone else's software to their device to MAYBE get a bit of an increase? If things didn't sell, if the iOS devices were not doing well; then they would be much more motivated to make changes. As it is, there is little reason for them to change.

Simple no ?

Read reply #294. MOST people do not understand the problem and thus cause problems for Apple.

 

[kdarling]

Fortunately for the iPhone you really only have one hardware platform to deal with and thus reduces unnecessary complexity of handling all the different configurations.

That's true if you only target your app to the very latest iPhone model and OS, which isn't the brightest marketing plan.

Otherwise, with iOS we currently have three different screen resolutions: original, "retina" and iPad. We have devices that can multitask and ones that cannot. We also have multiple OS levels, RAM and cpu speeds, not to mention devices that might not have GPS or accelerometer or gyro.

And as time goes on, iOs / Android / whatever will get even more fragmented. But so what? That's the way electronics have always progressed, and a good developer handles it.

 

[Moyank24]

Yes but how many buy the phone that know nothing about a computer? Many would try to visit a site that has a flash and not know what is happening...

Yes the company decides, but im getting tired of Steve deciding what the iPod Touch can and can not handle. I have a 2G and the multitask/change background update started the loss of function for the 2G, funny I was changing backgrounds on a jailbreak in the 3.X firmwares...and if you do a jailbreak now the first thing it asks you is if you want multitasking turned on.

Its not that the 2g iPod Touch cant handle it, its Steve wants more money. 2g is too old so he wants you to buy the 4g touch...

Many people buy the phone knowing nothing about computers. It's so popular with non-techies because it's so easy to use. But we are at version 4 of the phone. You have to put a little responsibility on the consumer to know what they are forking out at least $200 (and some people spend up to $1000) on.

And Steve wants you to buy the newer version of one of his products?? Gasp!
It's a business, and his business is to sell products. This doesn't hold true for just Apple. You buy a PC, and a year later a newer version with better specs comes out. Same with cars, coffee makers, TV's, etc...All of these companies want to entice owners to "upgrade" because of newer, better features.

It's your choice to buy or not to buy. Steve/Apple hasn't forced anyone to buy any of their products. Even my buddy Flex has a MBP and an iPhone 4.

PS I think McDonalds's is more evil than Apple. Darn them for continuing to tempt us once a year with the McRib, only to take it away! They shouldn't be allowed to tell me what I can and can't order. Anyone want to meet me at the drive thru and demand that Ronald give me back my McRib?

 

[CylonGlitch]

MPS I think McDonalds's is more evil than Apple. Darn them for continuing to tempt us once a year with the McRib, only to take it away! They shouldn't be allowed to tell me what I can and can't order. Anyone want to meet me at the drive thru and demand that Ronald give me back my McRib?

How about I meet you there at 10:31 and demand breakfast?

And as time goes on, iOs / Android / whatever will get even more fragmented. But so what? That's the way electronics have always progressed, and a good developer handles it.

Yup, it becomes hard, but at least when you only have one hardware vendor; and one that isn't afraid to end of life hardware, you never have hundreds or thousands of configurations; just a few.

I do agree with you, a good developer can handle it. But as I said, it makes it more of a pain to handle, not that it couldn't be handled.