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Hey Apple...Adobe has learned its lesson! We want Flash
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Another more recent performance from Apple:
Regulators Eye Apple Anew:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657704576150350669475800.html
If Flash was on iDevices they would not have that problem since it is the format most media already use and they could sell their protected content on the browser.
Oooh wait, maybe Flash is not on iDevices to make this possible... It is called racket in the court of law, I think.
Regulators Eye Apple Anew:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657704576150350669475800.html
If Flash was on iDevices they would not have that problem since it is the format most media already use and they could sell their protected content on the browser.
Oooh wait, maybe Flash is not on iDevices to make this possible... It is called racket in the court of law, I think.
I suppose we are going to ignore the part where experts have said that an antitrust case is unlikely due to Apple's market share. Looking in to something is not proof of wrongdoing.
Again with the vague, unspecific claims of illegality. What is illegal about making a browser without plugins? Yes, Apple appears to be squeezing some companies off of iOS devices. They have no obligation to do business with any company.
Anyone who want to do business on the browser instead of giving 30% to Apple and go by Apple's rule. They tried to pull that off but they broke their teeth. The current investigation I mention below is also related to that.
Which is 4.3% of the market.
And he is not the only one, leading CEOs from ARM, Broadcom, DoCoMo, Google, HTC, Intel, Motorola, NVIDIA, Palm, QUALCOMM, RIM, and STMIcroelectronics talk about how they're bringing Flash Platform technologies to their devices and platforms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CwI227m-hs
6 out of 20 million users proactively went to download the player on their own and the total rating of the Flash player on Android is 4.5 star out of 5. Once again, the player is just 6 month hold.
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I believe that he was referring to a consumer point of view.
Just keep changing the topic to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
I'll assume you meant 6 million. Is that a lot? Compared to what?
Then anyone who wants to get it right away in the browser without to have to install an application and deal with iTunes. I'm sure there are a lot of those in the PC world!
Just keep changing the topic to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
Nope, you just once again put words in my mouth to create distraction and get on my case like a piranha on a cow. I said "virtually every single new devices released after July 2010", now either bring the proof that this is wrong by naming devices without Flash that account for more than 20% of the smart phone shipped after July 2010, or get off my back.
I corrected that on the original post.
Did you forget the question? Nothing at all to do with iTunes.
You can't even quote yourself correctly. Here you go.
I already provided you with numbers that estimate that only about 5% of mobile phones were sold with Flash.
I also provided you with numbers from Adobe that they only expect to be on less than 25% of smartphones released in 2011.
Why do I need to name individual devices to prove you wrong?
And neglected to answer the question.
I just want to say something here Flex - I agree with you on Flash completely.
But im honestly wondering - somewhere, somehow are you getting paid for all of this?
The amount of time you've spent tearing every Apple apologist argument to shreds is amazing.
Baldimac is the only person left who writes against you but I don't think he knows what he's talking about. He spins around more than Linda Blair in the exorcist!
But im honestly wondering - somewhere, somehow are you getting paid for all of this?
The amount of time you've spent tearing every Apple apologist argument to shreds is amazing.
Baldimac is the only person left who writes against you but I don't think he knows what he's talking about. He spins around more than Linda Blair in the exorcist!
Windows Phone 7.
Typical stupid response.
I certainly hope your employer doesn't find this thread. It's obvious that you can't make a coherent argument without displaying a massively anti-Apple bias, nor without citing numbers you don't understand and/or manipulating the numbers that you do understand. I don't think I'd feel comfortable working with such a narrow minded and irrational developer.
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Thanks for the drive by insult.
Anything specific that I've said that you disagree with?
BaldiMac and Flex, you guys seeing this argument ending any time soon?
I don't think it's worth arguing to be honest. Apple will never put Flash on their devices regardless of what the users want. They have their own reasons. Yeah it sucks but iPhone isn't really the only smartphone brand out there anymore.
I don't think it's worth arguing to be honest. Apple will never put Flash on their devices regardless of what the users want. They have their own reasons. Yeah it sucks but iPhone isn't really the only smartphone brand out there anymore.
BaldiMac and Flex, you guys seeing this argument ending any time soon?
I don't think it's worth arguing to be honest. Apple will never put Flash on their devices regardless of what the users want. They have their own reasons. Yeah it sucks but iPhone isn't really the only smartphone brand out there anymore.
Honestly, I am done with the actual discussion. At this point, I am simply correcting factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies that flexengineer is throwing out every so often.
Nope and even worst every hour I spend here cost me money if we consider that I do not bill for that time, it's a question of principle. I comment in most articles or blog posts on the subject but this is the first time I actually participate in a forum. I am solid on the topic and I will not let it go
Regardless of how much Baldimac tapes on my nerves he keeps me on track and it is healthy for the discussion, if I say "virtually every one" instead of "most" he will jump on me, it's not like he never has a ground. That's fine as long as we don't dilute the discussion with it because if that happens I will just stop answering to keep focus on the big lines. I find the thread as a whole pretty interesting actually.
I am my own employer but thank you for the concern.
You're amusing, go say that to my clients and see what they got to say, because what you got to say about me is none of my concerns.
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How is 5% "virtually every one" or "most"? I'm not arguing over a few percentage points, and I don't appreciate you implying that I am. You were completely wrong. Adobe provided estimates that show you are wrong. What else do you need to admit you were wrong?
A brain
Flex, you should look at the facts. Even Xoom is not being shipped with Flash, until the next update. Do you wonder why that is? Because Adobe still has not gotten the bugs worked out on it for a portable device. If you have complaints about flash on apple products, or rather the lack of them. You only have to look as far as Adobe. Who time and time again has failed to make a "web standard" work. Now the truth is I don't care about flash. If it is ever included on OSI, I will turn it off, just like I did on my mac book pro, and my imacs.
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Hey Flex! I changed my answer. The Xoom won't be shipping with Flash.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/21/motorola-xoom-will-ship-without-flash-support-on-february-24th/
I guess Motorola decided they couldn't wait indefinitely for Adobe to produce its fabled stable release (vaporware?) so they decided to launch the much anticipated Xoom without Flash support.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/21/motorola-xoom-will-ship-without-flash-support-on-february-24th/
I guess Motorola decided they couldn't wait indefinitely for Adobe to produce its fabled stable release (vaporware?) so they decided to launch the much anticipated Xoom without Flash support.
I use to browse a certain porn website on my Android phone now I can't since I have a IP4. I like to have an option to be able to use it though. Not having Flash doesn't bother me since I knew about the IP not having before I purchased it. I do feel like we will see flash this year on idevices.
It's pretty smart on Motorola's behalf. Flash is probably destroying battery life, and they don't want all of the initial reviews to crush the Xoom, so they're shipping it without it. Gruber agrees. The fact is, Flash has never worked well on mobile platforms--it wasn't designed for mobile platforms, and with the rise in popularity in dedicated apps, it isn't necessary. In fact, the end-user experience is better with applications then it would be with Flash. And no, you can't have both--many companies will only create Flash content if given the choice, because it's the easy way out.
Well said. I agree with you on every point.
Developers have two solutions to satisfy their clients/users: either build web apps that use web standards, or build a native client on the device in question.
For some the former will be the more economical choice, while in other cases specific features will require the latter. There really is no place for Flash as a mobile development platform.
Similarly, these devices handle web video through native sockets, which means that there is no use for a Flash video player, either.
Adobe is simply making a product that no one really needs, in a vain attempt to maintain its stranglehold of web video. Quite sad, because while they waste time developing Flash their real products - Photoshop, Illustrator, and so on - are given less development attention.
Adobe is not responsible for Xoom release date, Motorola wants to come to market before iPad 2 and therefore will ship without Flash. As soon as Flash 10.2 for mobile will be ready it will be pushed to Xoom, probably a few weeks after release. Do not forget 10.1 is 6 months old and 10.2 was released just a couple of weeks ago, and is expected to hit the mobile less than 3 months after that, not too shabby. As I said many time for weeks, the real showdown is going to happen around Spring 2011. Adobe and its partners are extremely careful with Flash support, they know Steve Jobs and his big mouth is waiting at the corner. Flash is part of multimillion advertising campaigns for more devices than I can count, Xoom included. Will laugh hard who will laugh last
Adobe is not responsible for Xoom release date, Motorola wants to come to market before iPad 5 and therefore will ship without Flash. As soon as Flash 10.2 for mobile will be ready it will be pushed to Xoom, probably a few weeks after release. As I said many time for weeks, the real showdown is going to happen around Spring 2011. Adobe and its partners are extremely careful with Flash support, they know Steve Jobs and his big mouth is waiting at the corner. Flash is part of multimillion advertising campaigns for more devices than I can count, Xoom included. Will laugh hard who will laugh last
By careful do you mean that Flash is still not ready to be on a mobile operating system?
Looks like so far Steve Jobs was right about at least 1 thing.