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What you are not getting is that the macbook leaks (not pro) don't have firewire at all! (400, 800, 1600, or 3200)!
EDIT: Beat again!
Its short for this:
and in a strangely ironic fashion, when he asked what "facepalm" meant... i definitely resembled the above picture.
how so? can you explain what it says? it now says that "the page you are requesting cannot be found"...
well if that's the case.....darnit apple..
Two birds, one stone...hahaha
God, I have work tomorrow, can't follow this thread with the overzealousness I've maintained today.
Itis explaining an apple support document for a LATE 2008 MACBOOK PRO
Now you know how we feel!
you guys just wait.....i also think there is a possibility that Apple purposely told someone to take these pics and post them (they have been known in previous years to leak false images) just so that the event will be a larger shock than it would have originally been...
well i do live in a teepee in oklahoma so...i don't know much
you guys make me feel like an idiot now lol..
Don't worry about it newbie! [/DRAMATIC]You will learn in time[/DRAMATIC]
If a new MB w/o FW is true, will there be any out-crying by the mac community like the missing FW800 on the first gen. MBPs?
you guys just wait.....i also think there is a possibility that Apple purposely told someone to take these pics and post them (they have been known in previous years to leak false images) just so that the event will be a larger shock than it would have originally been...
Hope so, I want a full size DVI port on the MBP..... and the current keyboard. Not the chiclet one.....
Why are people so against the chiclet keyboard!Hope so, I want a full size DVI port on the MBP..... and the current keyboard. Not the chiclet one.....
More like mass-suicide of the mac cult.
Am I the only one who for the first time thinks "I won't get my hopes up about this event. As long as we get something at least equal to what we have now, it's all good.", then it ends up being worse?
Ah well, we don't know anything for sure until Tuesday/Wednesday.
Well, I just prefer the current one.....
More like mass-suicide of the mac cult.
Am I the only one who for the first time thinks "I won't get my hopes up about this event. As long as we get something at least equal to what we have now, it's all good.", then it ends up being worse?
Ah well, we don't know anything for sure until Tuesday/Wednesday.
Yeah, I don't think apple will take a step back from the current features. We'll find out Tuesday/Wednesday.
Well, I just prefer the current one.....
Oh...I personally hate the macbook pro keyboard. Except for the backlighting...thats nice.
Are we still assuming these are products of the "brick" manufacturing process?
They don't look all that special or different as far as the physical appearance goes. Maybe less screws, possibly lack of a battery slot, and a optical drive that sits on the right, but otherwise nothing to drastic in the physical appearance. I just don't see how these things would require a block of aluminum carved by lasers.
They don't look all that special or different as far as the physical appearance goes. Maybe less screws, possibly lack of a battery slot, and a optical drive that sits on the right, but otherwise nothing to drastic in the physical appearance. I just don't see how these things would require a block of aluminum carved by lasers.
What is the most popular video format today? NOT flash, hard drive, or DVD. It is mini-DV, with HDV gaining in popularity as high-def does the same. Mini-DV is by far the most popular and most economical format. These formats must be transferred via firewire because they stream to your computer in real time. This just cannot be done via USB. When you see cameras that have USB interfaces, they are for one of two things: one, to transfer still images, and two, to transfer MPEG formatted video (which, by the way is inferior to even mini-DV when it comes to editing). This would be from the flash or HDD based camera models. If you watch some of Apple's tutorials on iLife, you will see these show individual clips that can be copied to your computer. USB is fine for this type of transfer, because you are not streaming the videos; you are just copying files, as you would from any HDD.
And to say that I or anyone else with these camcorders should get a MBP is ridiculous. I am not a "pro" in any manner. I have a CONSUMER camcorder. It is Sony's base mini-DV model (ie the cheapest they offer). I should be able to use this CONSUMER camcorder with a CONSUMER computer (ie the MB). I don't do crazy video editing with Final Cut or anything like that. I have no aspirations of being a graphic designer.
Apple includes iLife for free with every Mac to provide everyone with simple, easy to use software. But without a firewire port, iMovie is going to be useless for most people because, as I have said, mini-DV and HDV are by far the most popular video formats right now. Apple would be crippling one of the things they advertise the most (I'm a mac, I do fun stuff, easily. You're a PC you do spreadsheets and boring stuff.) Someone already said something like this earlier in the thread: I can see the conversation in the apple store now...
Customer: Yeah, I have this new camcorder and I want to import my videos onto a new computer. I know macs are supposed to be the best for multimedia applications, and I saw that iLife is included for free.
Employee: Yes it is, but if you want to connect that camcorder you'll have to spend an extra $1000 or so because you're now considered a "pro" because you know how to use a camcorder! Congratulations!
Anyway, the whole point is, just because you want to put video on your computer, doesn't mean you should automatically have to buy a "pro" computer. I do not need any of the other things that the pro machine has over the MB. There is just no argument to say that firewire is a "pro" connection.
I cannot see how Apple can do this. I have been pissed off all day trying to figure out how this could happen. I envision myself walking into the apple store and having this above conversation with one of the apple employees. I just don't know how they could possibly explain it. I take that back, there is no way for them to explain it. So my only hope is that I can keep my sanity until Tuesday and pray that there is some new technology (like the FW/ethernet port) that will prevent this nightmare from coming true. Because if Apple really does do away with FW on the MB, I'm going to have to choose between year old mac technology and OSX or brand new PC technology and Vista. Not a very fun choice.
Apple is simply doing away with old technology and making way for the new as Firewire 1600 and 3200 use the same connection as Firewire 800. at least they are staying ahead of the motherboard manufactures that dont even supply Firewire 800 on board yet.
the original MacBook pro only had 1 Firewire port so maybe the next one after this will have Firewire 1600 and 800.
the original MacBook pro only had 1 Firewire port so maybe the next one after this will have Firewire 1600 and 800.
Ok well you got me too
While I did check the specs for other cams on the Sony site, I got the specs for the HDR-SR12 from Amazon, and there seems to be a mistake there.Well you said it yourself, USB support for camcorders on OS X is less than stellar. Consumers that bought camcorders to plug on their Macs likely bought Firewire cams, some without even knowing what Firewire is (because the salesman or their tech-knowledgeable friend recommended a Firewire model). If your point is that you can get cameras that work without Firewire, then it's pretty moot since those likely wont work on OS X.
Anyway my point was more about showing that there is still some Firewire cams sold today, while you were almost implying that none of them had it. Last year the number was higher, and 2-3 years ago even more. Many people still use these cameras, which are very useable today and still have a pretty good image quality.
Go into any electronic store and even drugstores, and you won't have any trouble finding mini-dv tapes, from several brands. I think that despite companies pushing for flash/HDD/DVD camcorders, mini-dv cameras are still widely used by consumers.
I'm not even debating about wherever it's "logical" or not for Apple to drop Firewire in MB, I just find that you minimize the problem to much and underestimate the number of people that will be angry about this decision (and that includes people outside the MacRumors forum community).
Originally I thought this was a Displayport, but it does appear that the other mystery hole that looks like a smaller version of mini DVI is probably the rumored mini-Displayport that others have found in the Chinese documents.
In that case, because of the two small holes on either side of the taped-up hole (as seen from the inside) I'd guess that this is a docking port for the rumored iDock.
Lots of rumors, few facts, but those holes are for something and this is where I'd place my bets.
