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I think it matters more what people were saying at the time, because they were on top of the situation.

Hulu is a competing revenue model to iTunes (ads vs. per item). I don't see why you're being so argumentative about this. I agree that Hulu is a nice site, and indeed, I use it quite a bit, in fact, I think it's fair to say that I've not purchased shows via iTunes because they're available on Hulu. That's competition!

Hulu could make their videos available in a format usable on the iPhone if they wanted to, just as YouTube did.

Also, on the Google numbers, try the search again: Hulu vs. iTunes = 141,000 results; Hulu vs. Youtube=483,000. (I agree that Hulu vs. youtube gets more, but not as drastically as you suggest).
Did you wrap quotes around your search terms? Otherwise, it's searching each world separately. Either way, I stand by my opinion, and judging by the search results, so does most of the internet.

"Hulu vs iTunes" -- 4 results
"iTunes vs Hulu" -- 74 results

"Hulu vs YouTube" -- 4,220 results
"YouTube vs Hulu" -- 8,530 results
 
Did you wrap quotes around your search terms? Otherwise, it's searching each world separately. Either way, I stand by my opinion, and judging by the search results, so does most of the internet.

That gives me only 4 results for Hulu vs. iTunes, which makes no sense (I've read more than 4 such discussions in the past hour alone). Perhaps because not every discussion of this issue uses "vs."?

At any rate, for whatever reason, I wouldn't look for either Flash on the iPhone or a reformatting of Hulu content for the iPhone anytime in the next 6 months.

But you never know in the digital world.
 
- Turn by Turn: Apple will allow developers to use CoreLocation for turn-by-turn GPS directions.
Could turn out to be useful.

- Cut, Copy and Paste: Available across all apps. Shake to undo or redo.
- MMS: Picture messaging now available.
- Voice Memos: Record notes, lectures, interviews, etc.
- Spotlight Search: Available across all applications. Systemwide search available from main home screen by flicking to the left.
Yes this is all I need tbh to make the iPhone feel like a good purchase as tbh from day 1 I haven't really liked it now with these updates Apple may have won me back :D
 
That gives me only 4 results for Hulu vs. iTunes, which makes no sense (I've read more than 4 such discussions in the past hour alone). Perhaps because not every discussion of this issue uses "vs."?
Not every discussion uses "vs" but thats the only way to guarantee that the discussion dictates one as a competitor to the other. I'm not exactly a master Googler, so there may be better alternatives...

At any rate, for whatever reason, I wouldn't look for either Flash on the iPhone or a reformatting of Hulu content for the iPhone anytime in the next 6 months.
I'd be inclined to agree.:D
 
I could not agree more.
Only sad...but happens all the time recently...
...and it all started with the iPhone SDK (Leopard and Intel Mac prerequisite)
I'm still mad Apple wouldn't allow me to install Mac OS X on my Mac Plus and I couldn't install iPhone 1.0 on my Newton. They keep forcing me to buy new hardware, and its angering me so much it hurts my head! If someone actually has links describing the cellular chipsets of the iPhone and iPhone 3G, and can show me how they're genuinely the exact same hardware (and that there is no difference between the EDGE and 3G MMS handling between them)... it would help to further bolster the case here.

~ CB
 
LOL...we're like two douch bags waiting for Apple to do the right thing with iPhone like two kids waiting for Santa to come. SMALL WORLD my friend.

For once, we both agree on something. I was hoping Voice Dial and video were coming with 3.0...

Make that 3, with me. I've been waiting since v1.0. I can't believe more people don't want Voice Dial.
 
These are the 3 things I would like to also see:
- Be able to lock the iPhone's screen in landscape or portrait mode, so it is not switching back and forth to portraint when I am laying on my sofa/bed.
- Tasks that sync with my Mac - Mobile Me
-Be able to edit a calendar entry and change it to other calendar, many of my entreis are not for my default calendar and I always forget to select the right one when entering a new appointment
 
MMS on iPhone

I know this has been pointed out countless times on other threads, but...

I - and many others - have been enjoying MMS on the iPhone for some time now. It's called Quip, a free app. Easy to use, reliable. It probably works for first gen iPhones, too.

Why is it such a big deal that MMS has not been offered natively on the iPhone?

Flash is what I'm looking forward to. Buying tv shows on iTunes then moving them to iPhone is a waste of time and money.

My biggest gripe about the iPhone is the slow sync times, hopefully USB 3.0 will speed things up after it arrives in 2010. In 5 years, when USB 3.0 is widespread and 4G networks (hopefully) spread, then smart phones will really show enhanced functionality.
 
I am not happy with this at all. So I have to pay to upgrade while iPhone users don't.... that just doesn't make any sense at all to me.

I think this deserves clearing up, it's not a Legal issue as mentioned previously but an Accounting issue...

Apple recognises revenue on iPod Touch upon delivery, as it does for most products (notable exceptions are iPhone & Apple TV). In order to recognise revenue, one criteria is that all elements of the transaction must be delivered. If significant enhancements (such as the 3.0 update) were provided subsequently free of charge, these would be considered elements of the original transaction and Apple would be in breach of US GAAP revenue recognition requirements (it recognised revenue when it hadn't delivered everything to the customer).

The only way Apple can provide the updates to Touch users is by charging for them. The other option would be to not provide them at all...

Prior to releasing the iPhone, Apple executives made a strategic decision to defer iPhone revenue and amortise over 24 months in order to provide subsequent software enhancements to users free of charge...
 
Excellent set of updates! I sure hope that A2DP support will come to OS X, as the support for bluetooth headsets is dreadful.
 
This all sounds pretty damn great!

Except for the no MMS on first generation iPhones as the hardware issue sounds like a blatant lie! I also think that companies such as O2 may see this as something that loses them revenue, because people will happily pay up for MMS messages, given the chance to actually use them.

Anyway, to be honest, I don't really care that much as my contract expires next month and I intend getting the next generation iPhone as soon as it comes out. It would bump the resale value of my old iPhone a little if it could do MMS though. Oh well!
 
The speaker sounds so gay. What's with CA attracting so many fruitcakes?

Well, I don't know about that, but the first thing I noticed was how the first presenter was SERIOUSLY trying to speak, move and act ike Jobs.

Anyone else notice this?
 
I think this deserves clearing up, it's not a Legal issue as mentioned previously but an Accounting issue...

Apple recognises revenue on iPod Touch upon delivery, as it does for most products (notable exceptions are iPhone & Apple TV). In order to recognise revenue, one criteria is that all elements of the transaction must be delivered. If significant enhancements (such as the 3.0 update) were provided subsequently free of charge, these would be considered elements of the original transaction and Apple would be in breach of US GAAP revenue recognition requirements (it recognised revenue when it hadn't delivered everything to the customer).

The only way Apple can provide the updates to Touch users is by charging for them. The other option would be to not provide them at all...

Prior to releasing the iPhone, Apple executives made a strategic decision to defer iPhone revenue and amortise over 24 months in order to provide subsequent software enhancements to users free of charge...
Why is it that Microsoft and Samsung can offer firmware updates that provide increased functionality for their respective media players? The same goes for Xbox Live (not everyone is a paying subscriber) and PSN, which both experience often updates that increase functionality. AppleTV had a 2.0 update last year, why was it able to be provided for free? Vudu, Roku, and various blu-ray players and other set-top boxes also do this.
 
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a list of new features that won't work on the current 3Gs (i.e. will need a hardware update)? I have the chance to get one for free with reduced data plan so I plan to get one (my first) now.
 
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a list of new features that won't work on the current 3Gs (i.e. will need a hardware update)? I have the chance to get one for free with reduced data plan so I plan to get one (my first) now.

AFAIK everything will work on the 3G as they didn't do any hardware specific updates to the software yet other than the no MMS on the 1st gen, but everything should work on the 3G.
 
I am very happy. The only thing I didn't hear was if you could finally use alias in the mail app.

I do hope so. It is the only thing that I want to see but have not yet.

Well done apple.
 
Oh dear oh dear. I never liked the iPhone, not for the brilliant interface, but it has always been too big IMO, and also has lacked in such basic features and Apple have locked the whole thing and the apps store down tighter then fort knox if it was buried in the centre of mars. Apple designed a phone for the American market then tried to take the world on with it. MMS only just coming now? Copy and Paste? Come on, basic basic basic stuff that SHOULD have been there since day 1. Plus the apps will still be as closed as ever, and who the f*** wants a blood pressure iPhone? Only now they allow the bluetooth to be used for anything other then the iPhone headset....

My Sony Ericsson P800 had copy and paste and MMS, bluetooth, open apps. And I can't even remember how many years ago I had that!
Oh well many of you are fan enough for Apple to continue to walk all over everybody. Me I will never have an iPhone because of the stupid software restrictions and apps restrictions Apple still insists on imposing.
 
I haven't read the whole thread as there are already around 400 comments now, but I did see quite a few people say, "MMS is not part of 3G".

Well, you're both right.
Kind of.

MMS predates 3G, for sure. I was working on MMS implementations for GSM and GPRS devices back in the early naughties. I even worked for a start-up who's business model was built around MMS-based apps - all before 3G was launched.

The trouble was it sucked. One of the things we spent a lot of time working on at the start-up was equalising all the differences between different implementations of MMS.

Also, after working at three different companies where I was involved with MMS implementations, I still struggled to actually send the damn things myself! I think I have successfully sent a total of two MMS outside of lab conditions in my life (I'm sure hard core MMS users will laugh at this, but it's true).

And when you did send them they were quirky, limited, awkward things that you realised you never wanted to use if you could help it. Why can't we use email instead? Oh yeah, phones don't support email (well, some did through tricky to use proxies and such)....

The 3G spec incorporated MMS and extended it a little. My involvement there was limited, so I can't go into too much detail but I believe some of the limitations were removed, and possibly the standard was tightened to remove too many implementation differences.

So my guess is that what Apple mean is that they have a complete 3G stack (which I believe was bought in) which includes 3G's MMS standard. They have just added the UI for this release so we can actually use it. But to support it on the 1st gen phone, which is theoretically possible, would require them to implement a whole parallel version of the MMS protocol (probably in-house), to a looser, and more problematic, spec.

So saying that it's a "different radio" is not strictly accurate, but not entirely out either. After all, it just summarises what I have spent a screenful of text explaining in two words :)
Awesome explanation. That only leaves one question. So when you are not in an area with 3G service, or you happen to (for whatever reason) lose your 3G signal you will no longer be able to send or receive MMS?
 
Awesome explanation. That only leaves one question. So when you are not in an area with 3G service, or you happen to (for whatever reason) lose your 3G signal you will no longer be able to send or receive MMS?

Just been reading through the tech blogs and one said that MMS is sent on a different frequency than SMS and the 2G iPhone's antennae doesn't support that freq...

Dunno if it's true, I just think they're giving people as many reasons as possible to upgrade to a new 3G iPhone as their original contract comes to an end. And with AT&T the only official iPhone carrier in the US people will need to stay with them so hey, why not get a new 3G?
 
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