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Highlights of Apple's iPhone OS 3.0 Preview: Copy and Paste, A2DP, MMS, Much More
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I've just watched the keynote and think it's not the 2G iPhone's hardware can't do standard MMS but the fact it can't do the advanced features like sharing contacts, audio files make the 2G iPhone underpowered (too slow using Edge) and require 3G to share it at a decent speed and didn't want to cripple the 2G with a cut down version (if they did someone would probably sue them).
How interesting. Many of these features that have been staples for Treo users since the inception of the Treo by Handspring, and some of which have been in the Palm OS since the beginning, are touted as amazing new things with the iPhone, 3 years after launch.
It is incredibly funny to me that cut and paste was worthy of applause. I think it is inexcusable there was no cut and paste from the beginning.
It is funny you could only email one picture at a time, and MMS was missing. Treo users have been able to do this for quite a while. Hell, even Nokia dumbphone users can send and receive MMS.
A free phone from the AT&T store supports A2DP. Alas, Garnet doesn't (it's been blamed on Palm's implementation of BT, which I tend to agree with).
My Centro has been able to voice dial. Perhaps not natively, but with an application that came bundled with the device. I can launch applications and command applications that support it from the voice program.
Now, I am definitely not saying Garnet is superior to the iPhone OS, because Lord knows the OS is horrid and needed to be replaced 5 years ago. But, things iPhone customers think are amazing new features and things iPhone customers still are waiting on have been available for quite a while from other vendors.
It is incredibly funny to me that cut and paste was worthy of applause. I think it is inexcusable there was no cut and paste from the beginning.
It is funny you could only email one picture at a time, and MMS was missing. Treo users have been able to do this for quite a while. Hell, even Nokia dumbphone users can send and receive MMS.
A free phone from the AT&T store supports A2DP. Alas, Garnet doesn't (it's been blamed on Palm's implementation of BT, which I tend to agree with).
My Centro has been able to voice dial. Perhaps not natively, but with an application that came bundled with the device. I can launch applications and command applications that support it from the voice program.
Now, I am definitely not saying Garnet is superior to the iPhone OS, because Lord knows the OS is horrid and needed to be replaced 5 years ago. But, things iPhone customers think are amazing new features and things iPhone customers still are waiting on have been available for quite a while from other vendors.
I think you mistake people applauding its finally there for people thinking its some new thing apple made.
And what does it matter anyway, once its released the "inexcusable it wasnt there" arguments won't hold water, because thats just bitching about the past.
Dude we don't give a damn what your old phones can do, the iphone cannot do these things so it concerns us.
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So shaking undoes your last action but also shuffles your music? How does that work? Or what if you're in an app that uses shaking for some other purpose...
I know this is just catty, but does anyone else think it looks like Scott Forstall has scurvy?
I know this is just catty, but does anyone else think it looks like Scott Forstall has scurvy?
Darn well better be. This was one weak update for us consumers.
Is it too much to ask for Apple to flat out copy the Pre feature-wise? I mean Palm copied Apple with multi-touch and the like.
They did say no to background processes though, didn't they? Please change that, it's the most attractive part of the Pre. GIVE UA MULTI-TASKING!
Seriously, what makes you think you are smarter than the guys who develop the iPhone software? If Apple wanted multi-tasking on the iPhone, it would take about two seconds to implemented. It is a feature of MacOS X that is turned off _on purpose_ on the iPhone. Because Apple knows a few things about building mobile phones that you don't know: That background applications eat memory and eat processing power and eat battery life.
I think the shake to shuffle works inside the music app, and the shake to undo works when your manipulating text.
The iPhone has been out for 1.5 years, not 3.
And on the other hand, Apple entered the market as a new player and had certain features that blew these guys out of the water. What is Handspring and Palm's excuse for not figuring out that multi-touch and visual voicemail and other features were the future of their products?
See? Depends on how you look at it. You can knock Apple for lagging with the standard features or knock the others in the market for not getting the jump on Apple with regard to other features.
And the reason for the fanfare is because this update will bring Apple closer to being on the par with the missing features other smartphones have--smartphones made by companies that have had many, many years and a lot more experience with this market than Apple. Apple has stepped up to the plate and in a year-and-a-half brought their phone up to the level of the rest of the market, and that's good news, isn't it?
That was a pretty impressive presentation. Thats saying something about Apple's other recent presentations.
My only concern is one that many companies are guilty of, this whole idea of buying in-game items with real money. Normally I would just stick to the "don't like it, don't buy it" idea, but what worries me is that developers will release smaller games for the current prices, and then sell the rest as downloadable content.
I would argue that this is something already practiced by Microsoft and game companies on Xbox Live.
Downloadable content is great, but just as long as the initial game does not suffer.
My only concern is one that many companies are guilty of, this whole idea of buying in-game items with real money. Normally I would just stick to the "don't like it, don't buy it" idea, but what worries me is that developers will release smaller games for the current prices, and then sell the rest as downloadable content.
I would argue that this is something already practiced by Microsoft and game companies on Xbox Live.
Downloadable content is great, but just as long as the initial game does not suffer.
ya i would rather have an open environment with no form of responsibility or restriction. in fact, how about we just let everyone do whatever they want for the phone... that makes much more sense. No rules. Only chaos. I hope they never remove restrictions. In all honesty thats why I am so happy with the iPhone
Well, Symbian and Windows Mobile have so far enjoyed MASSIVE success with it's apps for YEARS. And all I'll say is Tom Tom, couldn't be released on the iPhone because of APPLE'S software restrictions. Still like everything on the iPhone it seems, give it 2 years yet and it'll have it and you lot will hail it as the second coming LOL.
Sigh....why oh why are people never happy ?
This is an awesome release given that Apple have been in mobile technology for such a short amount of time - show me one single other mobile provider who is as progressive, innovative and fast-moving ?
Apple are rapidly moving into a position where they become the de-facto standard in mobile development platforms (if not already there) - 1000 new API's for developers ! You can't deliver everything all at once otherwise you have postponed perfection and never actually release anything - you can't just develop a whole new mobile OS and encompass everything from day one.
If you think otherwise you have never developed software.
Well done Apple.
How come I should tell you something when you've refused to follow my request, placed first? Seems unfair. I mean, once we verify that the radio hardware is the same (or highly similar in performance expectations), we can slam Apple for how lazy and greedy they are for not implementing not only MMS (but A2D2 as well) on the iPhone 2G.
For instance, here are some details for iPhone 2G chipset:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/3890579/
I believe this might be a close cousin of
the iPhone 3G chipset spec sheet (PDF):
http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/PMB887...90004&fileId=db3a304412b407950112b40d37c80d0c
The curious thing I found, was a rumor that the 3G's MMS support would apparently not even be available on the unless you can get a 3G cellular connection. It's as if Apple didn't want to expend much energy getting multimedia data to transmit reliably over a connection that has been widely lauded as slow, last generation, and problematic at best (even Pogue slammed it).
Almost like they're acknowledging that MMS over EDGE would consume much of their valuable time for very minimal appreciation (as bad as their AppleTV requiring a digital connection in my opinion... Sony let the Playstation work over composite analog video... why's Apple such a pre-madonna?) --As if most 2G users would be highly unsatisfied with the features performance, despite the extra manpower Apple would have put into implementing, testing, and maintaining it. I mean, sure GPS data is tied to 3G service, but MMS over EDGE or 3G has the same name, so I'd suspect that there's very little difference between implementing it on one type of network versus another... if nothing else, I'm sure anyone with an EDGE and 3G device would say that they've noticed no end-user problems on EDGE that seemed non-existent on 3G.
Anyway... as I said, I'm hopping mad that Apple would prioritize anything else over MMS support for so long. I would gladly have given up Exchange support or something dumber like Google Streetview... or all the on-the-dl core location enhancements. Like legions of others, MMS is my LIFE's BLOOD, and doing MMS over EDGE would be a little slice of heaven for my iPhone 2G.
~ CB
so just what happened to steve jobs? everyone seems to have forgotten him "already".
would he be back just before the release of next gen iPhone?
"already"? overusing the quote system much?
What do you mean what happened to Steve? He's taking a six month break. Don't you follow the news?
so just what happened to steve jobs? everyone seems to have forgotten him "already".
would he be back just before the release of next gen iPhone?
Back in June.
Apple likes to do things to their standards, meaning easy to use and good looking. I think they want to wait until crap mobile video doesnt look like, well, crap mobile video.
Wrong! They are only allowing users to send MMS over 3G, I'm guessing because of large amounts of info being sent. i.e. Voice notes, locations, etc.
1st gen is Edge, therefore not allowing you to use this new AMAZING feature.
Jesus people. MMS has been on phones with GPRS almost since camera's were first put into mobile phones. Stop believing the Apple BS.
Europe and Asia have had it, used it, got bored of it ages ago.
Stop thinking America only and EDGE. Think rest of the world and GPRS.
Europe and Asia have had it, used it, got bored of it ages ago.
Stop thinking America only and EDGE. Think rest of the world and GPRS.