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HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Split Status Bar, Tap to Wake and No Touch ID Under Display
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But think of this. In that case, there is no way for financial companies to restrict these phones to only using passcodes. The only solution (until facial recognition is proven) would be for Apple themselves to disable biometrics as a verification method for ApplePay in the iPhone 8, or for providers to restrict ApplePay use to only phones with a fingerprint scanner (and depending on how the tech works, I'm not sure if that's possible). In both situations, iPhone 8 owners largely lose the use of ApplePay, which will drive down iPhone 8 demand and hit Apple where it hurts most, their wallet.
Why does anyone think Apple would refer to it in their own software with something really attention-grabbing? Did he really expect to see a string of code with "NEW SUPER ULTRASONIC TOP SECRET FINGERPRINT SCANNER YES ITS UNDER THE DISPLAY" in it? It could still be referred to by the Home Indicator area, which is at least something new. Or perhaps its still called Touch ID. In general, I find it highly, highly unlikely that Apple would remove Touch ID. Many services depend on it and facial recognition does not match Apple's finger print reading capabilities for the sake of identity authentication.
Anyone else find it odd that homepod software contains so much data about an unreleased upcoming iPhone? Seems really weird to me... This is either a deliberate Apple controlled leak or something weird is going on. Perhaps some misdirection?
Faces have been used to identify people for far longer through history because, you know, we look at them.
You have absolutely no clue how the technology you’re talking about works and it seems like you’d rather keep your eyes closed than even look at the details supplied in this leak...
True, which means for now we can only go off of the current tech available today, which I don't think anyone would argue even comes close to TouchIDs reliability. Also, there are many things that can change the way you look on a day-to-day basis (i.e. glasses, hairstyling/haircut, shaving/growing a beard, makeup, lighting, etc.). Faces are much more complex than fingerprints, which are just two-dimensional images that largely remain the same your entire life.
Samsung Pay can use the Iris scanner. If banks are ok with that. I'm pretty sure they're going to be ok with what Apple puts out. Apple isn't some fly by night company. Apple Pay if I remember correctly forces you to put a pin code on your phone. That's still better than using a regular bank card that you might lose and person can swipe as credit and clean you out before you realize that your card is missing. Cashiers hardly ever ask for ID
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angry mob (me included): Don't you dare put touch ID on the back!
rumors of no touch ID at all...
angry mob (me included): For the love of God, please put touch ID on the back!!
/end conditioning.
rumors of no touch ID at all...
angry mob (me included): For the love of God, please put touch ID on the back!!
/end conditioning.
And you do?! Do you secretly work for Apple?
Faces are MUCH more complex than two-dimensional images of a fingerprint, and like I said before there are factors that change the way you look daily (glasses, hairstyling/haircut, shaving/growing a beard, makeup, lighting, etc.). We as humans have trouble recognizing people who go from full bearded to completely shaven overnight, you think a computer is going to see through that?
Let's talk about how ugly that cutout looks at the top of the screen!
Well, if you look into Apple's investments into technology for the last few years, which includes camera processing, AR development, 3D camera input, AI development *specifically* for facial recognition: I'd say that they've got a better foundation than you're giving them credit for... and mainly from your posts I'd say it is because these topics are outside of your skillset or knowledgebase. You're just offshotting things that could go wrong without much credible point other than what if.
You also fail to consider the level that Apple must have achieved to felt confident to remove Touch ID from their flagship with something like this as a replacement.
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Well they better have a convincing argument about the validity/security of 3D facial recognition then!
It's not beyond the realms of possibility for Apple to screw a model up. It's a first generation product, a next-generation iPhone, compromises are to be expected and of course even if the worse came to the worse and ApplePay was restricted to a passcode for now Apple would simply point you to a 7s/7s+ if you found the situation unacceptable. Hell, maybe that's why they're keeping those models around until the iPhone 8 is sorted out. Think of this years model as a sneek-peek into the future.
If it's someone I know and have dealings with, no I don't have trouble recognizing them from going from full beard to clean shaving or even different hair styles. Our brains process certain facial features and says hey that's so and so.
I'm just guessing here but I'm going to bet the more a person uses the facial software the better it becomes at learning who it's seeing.
I think we should just wait and see what Apple does to implement. No point arguing over and over that their solution won't work when we have no idea what it will be like. Your points aren't some revelation, I am sure Apple is aware of them.
I'm not so worried about the cutout. I think with the OLED screen you wont even notice the cutout at all.
My password is complex, at 16 characters. I hate typing it out even the once every few days I do now.
I was thinking the same thing... you're in a crowded place, sitting at a table or bar, attention is elsewhere or in a conversation, someone could angle your phone at you without you noticing at lot easier than they could grab your hand...
It's less I fail to consider their achievement, and more that I've lost faith in them. You're right, I'm not an engineer and don't know exactly how it works, but they sure as **** haven't been instilling confidence in the last few releases.
My main gripe comes with the iPhone 7. They copped out on redesign for the 7 and I was OK with that being under the impression they were taking their time to completely redesign the 8 and make it leaps and bounds ahead of anything else. To now discover they are getting rid of TouchID on the 8, it feels more like damage control than confidence in their new tech. I whole-heartedly believe Apple spent 3 years trying to implement TouchID under the display and they couldn't do it. Now they're playing catch up.
So when I bash facial recognition, it's not that I'm against the tech, it's that there is still a use for a fingerprint scanner. It's not a mature product yet, this isn't the headphone jack "courage" bit. It's Apple failed and is now picking up the pieces.
And that's my biggest issue with it all. I'm not against facial recognition, I think it's the tech of the future. I just don't believe we're there yet. In conjunction with TouchID, facial recognition is great. But let's be honest, what's happening here is Apple failed to implement TouchID under the display and is trying to find another way to bring a fullscreen iPhone to market.
Yes and no. I think all of these things run various iterations of iOS so it's not the weird. Sloppy coding (lack of cleanup) is essentially what leads us here.
I'd be very surprised if this was intentional misdirection, but maybe.
To be fair they have to release something with an edge-to-edge OLED screen or they're going to look old-fashioned next to the competition; people really are that guidable and finicky and will buy on looks alone.
My main concern is anyone being able to point my phone at my face and unlock it from there. Mind you, the concern isn't astronomically high, but I can see privacy issues arise from this. Plus, how easy would it be for a police officer to just point your phone at your face and get whatever they want off your phone in the spot? Again, not a huge concern of mine, but curious how it is addressed.
At the end of the day we were having similar discussions before Touch ID. Thatworked out fine. So I'm absolutely willing to let Apple show me what I don't know. Itnwill suck to have to dunk touchid though. If true of course.
Perhaps integrating it under the display caused more problems than solutions: without a ring, maybe aligning fingers without explicitly looking at the screen was a hassle. Maybe, since it was under the display, fingerprints became an even larger problem. The what-ifs can extend in both directions so asking them without credible answers is pointless. It seems as though Apple found a solution that they are willing to be big on.
You say you expected a full redesign for 8 and that is what you are getting. Something that is redrawn and outside the box. You can't ask for those things then throw a tantrum when the small preview you get doesn't match what existed before.
Isn't Apple's whole remit "solutions for the 90%"? (at least it was under Jobs). There are always going to be scenarios where it "fails" in a given situation. The simple truth is if these concerns are paramount to you then it's simply not the phone for you.