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There's a couple things I don't understand about this leak.

1. Why would they introduce tap to wake when we already have raise to wake?
Unless it will replace raise to wake?

2. If the home button is hidden sometimes then how do you exit an app?
Do you pinch to close like on an iPad? Or maybe you swipe from the bottom to reveal the "home area" with the home button, similar to swiping up to reveal the dock on iOS 11 on an iPad Pro?

1. You’ll probably have both.

2. It’ll be like on the s8 just force push it at anytime to return home. Works really well in my opinion.
 
So we will probably loose Touch ID. But what about the wireless charging that was going to be added in a point update?
 
Wow, so apple just slaps a OLED
display on the phone and charges you $1000... and you're absolutely fine with that?

If I was Apple I could have charged you $500 for iCondoms with Apple logo... :p

For now I just hope the leaked rear touchID iPhones are real.

Clearly you've not used an OLED screen to see how major the difference is compared to LCD.....

Its the screen size I care about without making the phone a phablet. I don't like plus size phones so the shrunk bezels is best change ever made to the iPhone.

Shrunk bezels with an OLED screen running iOS thats the dream phone to me!

Thats the direction I want my phone to go in. Why would i care about Touch ID? I was using iPhones before Touch ID existed and I'm someone who usually doesnt like having any passcode on but have to now for Apple Pay.

If Touch ID is the major feature of the iPhone to you then haha good luck with that lool I couldnt care less about my fingerprint being registered to open my phone.
 
I really hope you can tap or force touch the top left corner to change signal strength to the current time and vice versa. 99.9% of the time I don't need network information.

On TouchID, don't worry... they'll include a TouchID dongle in the box!
 
The leaks suggest the lock button is growing in size, to about the same size as the two volume buttons combined. No reason it couldn't be integrated there.

Unless the iPhone is to become as thick as an average human finger how will the Touch ID technology on the volume buttons work?
 
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I'm a little concerned because it really feels like Apple is rushing out a half baked phone to meet the 10th anniversary. The no bezel design looks cool, but based on what we think we know I wouldn't choose it over my iPhone 7.

That being said I have no horse in this race, I'm not upgrading this year anyway. I get the feeling this years iPhone 8 is going to turn out to be a very expensive beta test though.

Can’t disagree more you listed one thing that this phone is supposed to have. Add on top better stereo speakers, better higher res display(more PPI), maybe promotion, better battery(7plus battery in a smaller frame), Facial recognition that’s actually secure, wireless charging better camera with better features. Sounds to me like you want this to be a bad release. If all this comes to past I’ll be ready cash in hand.
 
Unless the iPhone is to become as thick as an average human finger how will the Touch ID technology on the volume buttons work?

"there" being the lock button rather than the volume button.

but also, why does it need to be thicker than currently? the "iphone" shape of the home button is what defines it as being a circle, not the technology for touch id. i just unlocked my phone by touching only half of the home button; it could easily work on the length of the lock button.
 
Lol you speak like Smith is a leaker. He’s pulling this info from software that Apple themselves posted online. Yes Kuo is the best when it comes to predictions but Smith isn’t predicting anything. I trust what he is saying more because this is coming straight from apple.

My point was that Ming Kuo predicted this a month ago that touch ID would not be on the iPhone 8. That's why I used him as a reference as a comparison.
 
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The iPhone 8 should be released in 2018. That way its not missing key features. It seems as if so many features have been taken away due to manufacturing issues and Apple had to put something together to at least satisfy the fanboys.
This is another misconception, people thinking TouchID will come back in the future. Once Apple removes a feature it's DEAD to them.
 
I think it's a matter what people choose to believe versus what's reality over distortion. Given touch ID is not likely to work under the display, only makes this more viable that Apple will likely be using facial recognition As the primary. Leaks are nothing more than using detective work to determine what seems legitimate or not. This leak seems like one of those that seem highly likely in my opinion

But then you have to ask yourself, do you really think Apple would compromise security with facial recognition not working reliably? Not a chance. This company values security at the upmost top of their expectations and whatever they have planned, it's certainly going to be an experience we just don't have an understanding of yet and how efficiently this technology will correlate in our daily lives.
I've never been more worried about an iPhone release than I am this year. Face recognition is not a substitute for TouchID. It's just not. It's nothing to do with how good/bad the facial recognition is. Hell, it could work in the pitch black for all I care. It just kills so many of the uses many of us put our phone through without even thinking.

1.) The phone flat on the desk - unlocking with a finger. How will this work? Having to move my head over the phone for the camera to see me? OR using a passcode? OR reaching for an awkward rear-located TouchID sensor? Ugh..

2.) Having the phone unlocked before it's even out of my pocket? That goes away, too? (unless it's on the rear).

There are so many use cases where this is not a good change I can't even...

I'm trying to keep the faith in Apple, but this isn't really sounding good.

Per another article by Bloomberg(another highly reputable source) it’s not going to be like Touch ID where it waits for you to interact with it. It’s going to pre authenticate your face so by the time you lift it from your pocket to look at it it should be done. And supposedly it’s going to be wide enough to see you on a desk. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-test-3-d-face-scanning-to-unlock-next-iphone
 
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Clearly you've not used an OLED screen to see how major the difference is compared to LCD.....

Its the screen size I care about without making the phone a phablet. I don't like plus size phones so the shrunk bezels is best change ever made to the iPhone.

Shrunk bezels with an OLED screen running iOS thats the dream phone to me!

Thats the direction I want my phone to go in. Why would i care about Touch ID? I was using iPhones before Touch ID existed and I'm someone who usually doesnt like having any passcode on but have to now for Apple Pay.

If Touch ID is the major feature of the iPhone to you then haha good luck with that lool I couldnt care less about my fingerprint being registered to open my phone.

TouchID is just a more convenient way to unlock the phone, there is denial on that. I know how good OLED looks (I have a LG OLED), but that's 55 inch. There is now way a bezelless 5.8 inch OLED iPhone justifies a price tag which is 2/3 of my TV.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I do like the smaller iPhone with larger screen, but $1000, hell no!!!
Actually $1000 is affordable in the USA, but you have to realize that in EU and other parts of the world this equals €1300 = $1500...
 
That may be so, but the point is that it was not even beta-worthy when it was released. Neither was Siri. Let's not kid ourselves with statements like "Apple wouldn't release an unfinished product".

Apple Maps really isn't a fair comparison. Apple itself has made internal changes over the years and evolved as a company. We're talking about a piece of hardware the Apple releases on an annual basis and Overall it's Time to move on from something that has completely come full circle. Furthermore, Facial recognition it's still undefined what it potentially can offer.
 
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"there" being the lock button rather than the volume button.

but also, why does it need to be thicker than currently? the "iphone" shape of the home button is what defines it as being a circle, not the technology for touch id. i just unlocked my phone by touching only half of the home button; it could easily work on the length of the lock button.

OK... So where are the volume buttons going to be?
 
I mean the ID screen scan seemed too advanced to work this early maybe in a couple years. The rest I do believe though

Chinese mobile phone company Vivo already have a fingerprint scanner which works under glass or even metal.

And there rumours the Samsung Note 8 will include an under display sensor, which will be announced before the iPhone. So we will wait and see.
 
It will most likely not have Touch ID under the display. The technology just isn't there yet. All things points to the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 not having it either, it's still on the back.

But I highly doubt the phone will feature FaceID, and FaceID only. Surely Apple would at least put TouchID on the back? Even though I don't like the idea of having it on the back it would still be ten times better than not having TouchID at all. I could get custom to using it on the back, but FaceID can't replace TouchID as the security surrounding FaceID just isn't as good so Apple wouldn't let it do all the things TouchID currently does.

At the same time, I hope we are able to use both FaceID and TouchID as during the winter and whatnot it would be great to be able to unlock my phone without removing my gloves etc.. So FaceID has it use cases.


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Another thing I don't really understand about FaceID is how the lock-screen / notification centre will work? Currently I will raise my phone and it will show my current notifications. If I unlock it jumps to the home screen so I can no longer view my notifications unless I drag from the top. With FaceID, wouldn't the phone just auto-unlock when I look at it making it really awkward to view notifications without doing the whole drag down all the time?

No right now when you wake your device with raise to wake while your finger is on Touch ID it doesn’t skip your lock screen it just unlocks the phone then you have to press Touch ID to get into the phone(unless you have the other option on, not sure what it’s called when you can unlock just by having your finger on Touch ID) Face ID will work the same. By the time you raise to wake your phone it will authenticate and you have to actually press the virtual home button to get into your phone.
 
The annoying thing with them rushing out the new iPhone before they've got under-screen TouchID working is it means TouchID is never coming back, it's a victim to their engineering problems. Apple won't "go backwards" as it'd effectively be admitting to having released an unfinished product and that the face sensor was a compromise instead of a progressive decision. It has to be seen as "courage" or whatever and "you don't need that silly old system where you have to go to the effort of lifting a finger"

I don't like the idea - would rather it unlocks when I take a positive action like putting my finger on it, not when I happen to look at it, and presumably only if you look at it in exactly the right way. Currently, can see myself keeping the iPhone SE going as long as possible - if only for the sake of the Apple Watch - and then eventually seeing if there's been any progress on making Android work as nicely (manufacturer-independent updates, a backup system without compromises, etc) as sadly Apple seem to have lost the plot.

What do you do if you have a burqa? I know it's a controversial thing but Apple are known for leftie kind of views which would tend to be against discriminating against religious groups.
 
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