HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Split Status Bar, Tap to Wake and No Touch ID Under Display

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You may. May I suggest you revisit Apple Maps today and see how much it is improved.

 

[fatboyslick]

Im at a loss if they remove Touch ID.

All facial recognition devices have been criticised as inconvenient and surely it is ignorance from Apple to think people only open their device by holding it up

I accept there may be this double touch feature but then that skews the security they so vehemently promote.

Plus there's the fact Touch ID payment has been rolled out for Apple Pay and signing into apps.
This is worse news than having the touch id at the back of the device

Im really hoping it's not as bad as im fearing

 

[juannacho]

If they have dropped Touch ID this facial recognition is going to need to be mind blowing. One of my favourite uses of the current tech is using it to get on busses and underground with Apple Pay. This is something I almost always do with the phone held at my side as I get on. Having to ‘present’ my face to the phone for this and all unlocks is quite a big pain and not one I think I’m prepared to bother with.

Oh yeah, I hope those infrared sensors are cool with people wearing glasses / sunglasses...

The funny thing about this new phone is that it also seems to have made everyone forget the definition of the word ‘bezel’ too! Pretty much every leak heavily suggests that whilst we’re going to ditch the top and bottom hardware strips the phone will still have pretty big fat borders (i.e. bezels) all the way around it. At least Samsung cheat an edge less design with their bendy screen

Bit lame really!

 

[mrklaw]

couple of things

- if this is homepod specific firmware, maybe lack of TouchID is specific to that device?
- How would they know the iphone 8 doesn't have TouchID? Wouldn't the firmware still have to support TouchID for iphone 7/7s etc?
- I like the suggestion that apps can be full screen. I don't want that feature area permanently giving me 'soft bezels'. Maybe there needs to be some compromise with app developers - eg if you want to use full screen mode, you have to give up 3D touch which can then be used to bring up the home button. Or a swipe could do that

 

[SRLMJ23]

No Touch ID on the iPhone 8 is a nail in the coffin for me. I just cannot buy supposedly the "best iPhone yet" if it does not even come with Touch ID, and I mean Touch ID on the FRONT of the iPhone, not some crappy Samsung style back of the phone fingerprint scanner. Also, as many people have pointed out, I do not think banks and stores will allow facial recognition as a secure way to use Apple Pay and therefore Apple Pay will be dead on Apples FLAGSHIP 10th anniversary iPhone?!?! We have heard ZERO rumors of Apple renegotiating Apple Pay terms with banks and stores that support it, and that seems a little odd to me. We would have surely heard leaks from meetings between Apple and banks/stores about using facial recognition as a "secure" way to use Apple Pay. I do not see banks going for this, maybe in 2-3 years it will be a viable "secure" method but right now facial recognition is in its infancy in general in the mobile market, and facial recognition on the iPhone is about to be "born" with the iPhone 8/X/Edition...whatever it is going to be called. I still feel like Touch ID will be embedded under the display or the home button could be super slim and fit on the bottom bezel, I do not know but it just has to be on this iPhone or Apple Pay will lose many of the banks that support it as well as many of the stores and then we lose a major feature of iPhones and one that I use basically every day. I would rather see it delayed and Touch ID implemented correctly vs. getting it out in September and losing features. I mainly focused on Apple Pay in this post but think of all the other ways we use Touch ID on our iPhones everyday. Unlock the iPhone, unlock apps, close apps, switch through apps, and many many more uses. I will go with the iPhone 7s Plus if there is no front positioned Touch ID sensor, or hell, just keep my iPhone 7 Plus for another year and then buy the iPhone 8s/9 or whatever the naming scheme will be in 2018. Sorry for the long post everyone...just my two cents!!!

 

[Otaviano]

What a failure.

I mean, the phone will sell millions and become their best-selling yet, but it's a complete design failure, that's for certain.

No touch ID - making Apple Pay more inconvenient. Split bar at the top - ugly design choice. No headphone jack (obvs).

Yikes all around.

Failure of a post if you ask me.

The bar at the top will not be visible. The screen on either side will be black creating the illusion of a single black bar. That contains the the carrier info, wifi+cell signal on the left and the battery+Bluetooth on the right hand side.
The time is likely moved out of the top bar and accessible in Notification Center.

The phone will most likely be a premium phone with a higher price. It will not be their best selling phone ever as the price will prohibit it. There will be a new 7S and 7S Plus available alongside this device. This device will most likely be called iPhone Pro. Allowing them to test new technologies which they can’t get at scale needed to go into the mainstream iPhone product.

In regards to TouchID, regardless of it’s inclusion in this device the technology is not going anywhere. It is literally front and center in the new app store design when you purchase something. From that I think we can deduct that TouchID will either be on this device or be coming to a rivision of this device when it can be implemented under the screen. I do not believe that FaceID will roll down to the mainstream iPhones because if that was the case why make the TouchID icon so prominent in the new app store purchasing screen?

Also no matter how good the facial recognition become it will never be as good and convenient as a finger print. The fingerprint is unique, it does not change, and is literally in contact with the device while in use. Compared to facial recognition which has to deal with so many issues. From bad camera angles and lighting. To people’s appearance changing. What happens if I shave my beard off? What if a person has long hair and cuts it razor short. Colors their hair? I think overtime the iPhone will have both facial recognition and fingerprint scanning.

Finally I just got to say it ... get over the headphone jack already.

 

[mrklaw]

How will you look at notifiations without unlocking the phone if it is recognising your face?

Maybe you still have to press a 3D touch button on the lock screen to unlock it. And it'll face recognise you as you press it? Maybe they could face recognise you and store that data for eg 60 seconds, like when you 'pre authorise' apple pay at a counter

 

[Mascots]

How will you look at notifiations without unlocking the phone if it is recognising your face?

You can already read notifications with the phone unlocked. That's the point - you shouldn't need to take the step to authenticate into the phone when you decide to take action, it knows it is you.

 

[Seoras]

I've been sanding an old table to re-stain/varnish it over the weekend.
Now my Touch ID doesn't work because my finger prints are damaged.
I was in the mind set of not buying an 8 as I do love touch ID but I'm now asking myself, "do I really need it?"
I just hope trimming my bushy eye brows and plucking my nasal hair doesn't much up the facial recognition.

 

[RamGuy]

The most reliable and legit Apple analyst in the world predicted "no Touch ID at all" a month ago.

He even told us the OLED iPhone display resolution 6 months ago. Some people just didn't want to believe Kuo. Instead, those people wanted to believe Apple exceptionalism meant Touch ID would be in-display. Others mistakenly believe Apple Pay requires Touch ID.

Same person told us we would get a iPad with OLED display. It's not like Kuo has a perfect track record with his rumours. He often puts out a lot of rumours, especially early on and sometimes he gets some details right.

 

[elvisimprsntr]

Apple announced AR kit and we have already seen some pretty cool demos of what AR kit is capable of.

Apple likely wanted to include a better front facing camera for more accurate face tracking and provide real time facial AR. For example, morphing yourself into a talking AR character.

Apple then likely realized the new facial tracking camera was so accurate, they could replace TouchID. The down side is you have to be looking at the iPhone to unlock. Not a good use scenario if you want to unlock with the device laying flat on your desk.

The new radical design changes will likely have some teething problems. I assume Apple will announce this along side a spec bumped iPhone 7S(Plus) with a more conventional design and TouchID. If I get a new iPhone this year it will be an iPhone 7S(Plus) and let the early adopters of the iPhone 8 deal with the new design issues.

 

[RamGuy]

It will most likely not have Touch ID under the display. The technology just isn't there yet. All things points to the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 not having it either, it's still on the back.

But I highly doubt the phone will feature FaceID, and FaceID only. Surely Apple would at least put TouchID on the back? Even though I don't like the idea of having it on the back it would still be ten times better than not having TouchID at all. I could get custom to using it on the back, but FaceID can't replace TouchID as the security surrounding FaceID just isn't as good so Apple wouldn't let it do all the things TouchID currently does.

At the same time, I hope we are able to use both FaceID and TouchID as during the winter and whatnot it would be great to be able to unlock my phone without removing my gloves etc.. So FaceID has it use cases.


EDIT:

Another thing I don't really understand about FaceID is how the lock-screen / notification centre will work? Currently I will raise my phone and it will show my current notifications. If I unlock it jumps to the home screen so I can no longer view my notifications unless I drag from the top. With FaceID, wouldn't the phone just auto-unlock when I look at it making it really awkward to view notifications without doing the whole drag down all the time?

 

[JPack]

Same person told us we would get a iPad with OLED display. It's not like Kuo has a perfect track record with his rumours. He often puts out a lot of rumours, especially early on and sometimes he gets some details right.

Reference please.

Kuo suggested earliest iPad with OLED could be 2018. You're suggesting he's wrong?

 

[wbrat]

No TouchID? How will I use Apple Pay?? Oh, wait... there is no Apple Pay in my country...

 

[Bane-Thunder]

Touch ID isn't the selling point for why I buy the iPhone. So whether its there or not im not fussed.

The full OLED display with shrunk bezels is the be all. I've been wanting the home button gone since the iPhone 4. The S8 was fun but android just doesn't click with me so I can't wait for the iPhone OLED with glorious iOS.

 

[JPack]

EDIT:

Another thing I don't really understand about FaceID is how the lock-screen / notification centre will work? Currently I will raise my phone and it will show my current notifications. If I unlock it jumps to the home screen so I can no longer view my notifications unless I drag from the top. With FaceID, wouldn't the phone just auto-unlock when I look at it making it really awkward to view notifications without doing the whole drag down all the time?

It's as simple as:

1. Face unlock.
2. Tap screen or swipe to reach home screen.

 

[rikscha]

couple of things

- if this is homepod specific firmware, maybe lack of TouchID is specific to that device?
- How would they know the iphone 8 doesn't have TouchID? Wouldn't the firmware still have to support TouchID for iphone 7/7s etc?
- I like the suggestion that apps can be full screen. I don't want that feature area permanently giving me 'soft bezels'. Maybe there needs to be some compromise with app developers - eg if you want to use full screen mode, you have to give up 3D touch which can then be used to bring up the home button. Or a swipe could do that

You are making an interesting point. TouchID will still be in use with all other iPhones, yet there is no reference to TouchID at all. Why should the HomePod have an iPhone 8 specific firmware - doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Bane-Thunder]

The iPhone 8 should be released in 2018. That way its not missing key features. It seems as if so many features have been taken away due to manufacturing issues and Apple had to put something together to at least satisfy the fanboys.

The iPhone 8 is releasing in 2018.

This new iPhone in September is not the iPhone 8 its just what people call it cause they don't know what its name will be yet. There's still the iPhone 7S and 7S plus out in Sept so rest assured the bezel less iPhone won't be called the iPhone 8.

Before the 6S was revealed people kept calling it the iPhone 7 when rumours were spreading about 3D touch but it was revealed as the iPhone 6S.

 

[JPack]

You are making an interesting point. TouchID will still be in use with all other iPhones, yet there is no reference to TouchID at all. Why should the HomePod have an iPhone 8 specific firmware - doesn't make any sense at all.

Because the original assumption is wrong. The firmware does have reference to Touch ID for other devices, just not for D22 OLED iPhone.

 

[Maetzle]

Facial recognition sounds a bit awkward to use with Apple Pay at a store.

 

[applelover1016]

OMG! Another Touch ID rumor. I will put my faith in Ming Kuo over Steven Troughton Smith. We will find out in approximately six weeks.

Edit: If it's not under the display, Apple likely has a another source using facial recognition that will appeal for some and others it won't. But it's not a compete shock at this point it won't be under the display, which Kuo predicted weeks back. But leave it to Apple to make the facial recognition scanner reliable.

Lol you speak like Smith is a leaker. He’s pulling this info from software that Apple themselves posted online. Yes Kuo is the best when it comes to predictions but Smith isn’t predicting anything. I trust what he is saying more because this is coming straight from apple.

 

[The Game 161]

If facial recognition is the only form of unlocking your phone then you know it will be amazing

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Touch ID isn't the selling point for why I buy the iPhone. So whether its there or not im not fussed.

The full OLED display with shrunk bezels is the be all. I've been wanting the home button gone since the iPhone 4. The S8 was fun but android just doesn't click with me so I can't wait for the iPhone OLED with glorious iOS.

Wow, so apple just slaps a OLED
display on the phone and charges you $1000... and you're absolutely fine with that?

If I was Apple I could have charged you $500 for iCondoms with Apple logo...

For now I just hope the leaked rear touchID iPhones are real.

 

[Bane-Thunder]

There's a couple things I don't understand about this leak.

1. Why would they introduce tap to wake when we already have raise to wake?
Unless it will replace raise to wake?

2. If the home button is hidden sometimes then how do you exit an app?
Do you pinch to close like on an iPad? Or maybe you swipe from the bottom to reveal the "home area" with the home button, similar to swiping up to reveal the dock on iOS 11 on an iPad Pro?

Tap to wake would be an addition. Like many of us who have our phone on the desk the home button allowed you to wake the screen without having to raise the phone, so tap to wake makes TOTAL sense. Raise to wake will still be there i don't know why you think one has to replace the other? :/

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

PREDICTION: If it doesn't have Touch ID, #1, I will not buy one. Why?
I can envision this now, face recognition fails after weight gain!

iPhone via Siri tells you, "Sorry, your face is too fat to be the owner of this device.
If you are the owner of this device, please work out more and try again."