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HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Will Be Able to Scan Your Face Even While Device is Lying Flat
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I'm really optimistic about face-ID. I think it will be much more seamless than Touch ID. It might feel like you don't have a lock on your phone at all, if implemented the way Apple is suggesting here. I think this is great news actually.
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That's the type of original thinking we need more of around here. People give Apple so little credit when it comes to making changes to a product. I'm sure Apple prototyped ever conceivable configuration/combination/location of Facial recognition and Touch ID and came to the conclusion that facial recognition is the way to go. Do you really think someone said "Ah, Mr Cook TouchID is tricky under the screen", "Hey, don't worry about it just throw on facial recognition, it's all good!".
And for those who insist on moaning, hey no-ones forcing you to buy it. Perhaps the iPhone's no-longer for you.
I'm still not convinced that no TouchID is a forwards step...... but is it possible that FaceID could be implemented in a way that means that it works in place of TouchID as in, all current apps that use TouchID could just use FaceID without any developer work. (It just works) That's the only way I can see the benefit. Assuming FaceID actually works as well as it should.
Yup. It's a DREAM for all governments and regimes worldwide.
Automatic face scanning is quite literally the main horror in all dystopian literature. And here it is becoming actual mainstream reality and people are cheering it.
Philip K. Dick is lucky enough to not experience his scariest fantasies coming to life.
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Let me just say this again.
All one needs to do to unlock your phone is grab your phone point it quickly towards your face and unlock it. My nephew did that to me today and ran off with my phone.
So when your asleep anyone can get in your phone by hovering it less than a second near your face without you ever feeling a thing.
NO TOUCHID = NO SALE
All one needs to do to unlock your phone is grab your phone point it quickly towards your face and unlock it. My nephew did that to me today and ran off with my phone.
So when your asleep anyone can get in your phone by hovering it less than a second near your face without you ever feeling a thing.
NO TOUCHID = NO SALE
That's exactly how it works. When an app requests validation from TouchID it knows nothing about your fingerprints, it's simply waiting for a "yes" or "no". The fingerprint scanner compares the image of your fingerprint on the sensor to the fingerprint images stored in the secure enclave on your phone. If it's a match it says "yes" and authorization goes through, if not then it returns a "no".
Now replace the word "fingerprint" with "face" in the above example and that's how FaceID will work.
Apps will not need to be re-written one bit, they'll still request authentication and sit there waiting for "yay" or "nay".
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Why are so many people worried ?
Before removing Touch ID, Apple will obviously do an engineering study to see if this is an equal or better alternative in terms of usability and security, and if not, how to make it equal or better.
That can easily be sorted. Like your eyes must be open for it to work.
It fastanates me people here coming up with some concerns (not necessarily you) as thought Apples engenieers have not thought over and over thousands of possible scenarios.
This is key, and if it’s quicker and more secure than Touch ID, then who cares if they remove Touch ID.
This makes sense and I feel better about the Touch ID removal. Apple just HAS to get facial detection bang on.
Tell me how different is when someone scans your face while you’re sleeping or use your finger at the same conditions? I’ve seen a lot cases when people put the finger of someone sleeping to unlock their iPhone. Anyway, you can restar your phone before going to sleep, this disables Touch ID (and probably Face ID) until you type the passcode again.
Sorry, but I just don't buy all this "deliberate leaks" stuff. Putting aside the fact that many people just can't seem to accept that people do mess up, there's the one big question... why didn't Apple just formally announce this if they wanted to stir up hype? You could maybe say that they want to keep the formal announcements for the Keynote as the magic and surprise of Keynotes are an important part of the Apple 'aura' - but if you subscribe to that, what do you think these leaks have now done for September's Keynote?
The only places these leaks are being talked about is on techie sites like this - the one part of Apple's demographic that doesn't need whipping into a frenzy - we all know that there's a new iPhone coming and it'll be announced at Apple's Keynote next month, I don't see these leaks influencing any of 'our' buying decisions in a way that the Keynote wouldn't have anyway. Apple's big target demographic isn't the non-Apple diehards, it's the average man or woman who's maybe thinking of changing his phone in the next couple of months. This person is not going to even be aware of some iOS firmware code leaks, never mind being hyped/influenced by them.
Then there's the Keynote itself - it's only about a month away. Do you really think Tim Cook & Co are going to feel good about getting up on stage and trying to surprise us with the 'magic' that they know damn well everyone in the audience and online has known about for the last few weeks. Apple's reputation for secrecy and surprise is one of the company's USPs, and while it's not going to lead to any overnight plummeting in the share price, the fact that they've subjected themselves to such a massive leak can only harm that magic in the long run. You really think they'd leak everything?
All these people saying that Apple have done this deliberately as 'hype=good' need to put a bit more substance into that to make it stand up to any scrutiny. And blindly saying that "you can't explain Apple's reasons because they're just too clever", I'm afraid you'll need to give a bit more detail than that to convince me this isn't anything more that appears at face value - a monumental cock-up by someone.
The only way I imagine this being viable is if the iPhone is constantly verifying your face; the phone will lock or not allow Apple Pay as soon as it detects an unrecognized face in front of it. It just isn’t physically possible that a flat camera can scan a face that isn’t in its field of view, i.e. when the phone is on the table and I want to unlock it without sticking my face over it.
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How can you not see the difference in those situations? I can point a phone at your face from a distance without touching you at all; I can’t scan your fingertip without grabbing and moving your hand.
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How can you not see the difference in those situations? I can point a phone at your face from a distance without touching you at all; I can’t scan your fingertip without grabbing and moving your hand.
Buy what if your face is wet & shiny? Or covered with shaving cream? Or you have a birthday cake on your face?
Buy what if your face is wet & shiny? Or covered with shaving cream? Or you have a birthday cake on your face?
Exactly! What if the sheen from my tinfoil hat blinds the camera and messes up the whole process? Huh! What about THAT! Face-ID, WELL I NEVER!
