HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Will Be Able to Scan Your Face Even While Device is Lying Flat

[stiligFox]

How about in the dark, on a bedside table when your head is half obscured by a pillow?

Nintendo’s “New 3DS” has facing tracking glasses free 3D - for it to work well it has to keep track of your eyes and other facial features for the effect to work from various angles. (The 3DS didn’t have the face tracking, and as such you had to hold it perfectly still in one sweet spot for the effect to work.)

The way it works at night is with a little infrared light next to the front camera - if the light level gets too low you can see the dull red color show. And it still worked just as well! Apple would likely use this type of tech.

 

[McTool]

That's for sure, recently leaked images of iPhone 8 Display assembly shows no touch id.

Edit :- here is a link to the Article

http://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_8_disp..._the_wild_no_touch_id_in_sight-news-26610.php

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No doubt Face-Id will be primary source of security in iPhone 8. I Am actually interested to see how Apple will make it work with Apple Pay,

If this is the back of the iPhone why those it have the same cut out as the front?
Makes no sense.
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So you're at a party...you lay your iPhone down on the table. It is scanning every single party goer's face that walks by hoping to see your face and your face alone. LOL! jk

And by the time you pick it up the battery is dead.

 

[Wildhope]

This leaked stuff has me so excited. I need to start saving up

 

[Born Again]

I will absolutely NOT buy the iPhone 8 if it does not have a touch id, I hate touch id at the back and i hate touch id on the power button but I'm willing to buy it if they include touch id, i don't care where they put it, if it has a touch id i will buy it if not then I'm willing to wait till next year my 6s is working perfectly.

No you will buy

 

[anthorumor]

iPhoneRumors, brought to you by HomePod Firmware.

 

[Renho]

I'm still worried about wearing headgear and needing to quickly unlock your phone....

Or driving as bad as it sounds. While at work, while ur in bed. I’m not sure how it could possibly be faster. Now we are going to have to do more for a scan. I hate it and wish it could live together. But this is life as we know it, nothing last’s forever.

 

[Johnny London]

TouchID left me hanging in scenarios where I sweat a lot (sports) or wear gloves (skiing) so I really wouldn't miss it if FaceID comes along.

 

[DieterV]

Ode to the conspiracy theorists.

that is your opinion. But my theory makes perfect sense. Not only that, but I recently followed a marketing course where the the whole apple marketing was analyzed by people in the business. And they all agreed this is a perfect marketing strategy. Why do you think apple is all about secrecy? Because they want to surprise people?

 

[Wide opeN]

Isn't it obvious, that face ID will allow you to make a certain face, not just a normal face!?

Don't know why no one has pointed this out yet.

 

[Saturn1217]

Thank you. I'm glad someone else understands this. If Touch ID is removed, it will not come back. Removing Touch ID only to reintroduce it a year or two later would make no sense and would be as if Apple were admitting failure. We couldn't manage to get it under the display this year but maybe in a year or two, so we will just remove it in the meantime. Anyone who knows how Apple works knows they are a company that will gladly wait to bring something to the market when they can be assured it will provide the best experience for the consumer. Apple is often not first to bring new concepts to the market, especially lately. They'll wait until they can do it better then release their take on it. They won't get rid of Touch ID if they don't have a replacement that is as good as or better than the current offering.

This is my biggest concern. I don't really care what they do to the iPhone 8. I already wasn't buying it. But does FaceID only authentication mean that Apple is giving up on getting Touch ID to work under the screen in some future iPhone? I personally thought that concept sounded really cool and I would love to use that phone, so if that roadmap is scrapped that is sad...And I really hope that Android phones don't follow Apple's lead like they are doing with the headphone jack removal.

 

[pratikindia]

If auth confirmation is needed, now a dialog box asks to "Authenticate with Touch ID". What if the confirmation is asked and I want to cancel? It will scan before I cancel it. How would they solve it?

 

[iZac]

Perhaps there'll be an option to blink a certain way and lock the phone

Just blink SOS in morse code, naturally!

Edit: wait that would call the police, I'll have to rethink this...

 

[Piggie]

Nope. Facial recog looks at angles and distances between things like your eyes, nose, mouth, chin, forehead, ears, eyebrow ridges, etc.

A face might look very different with makeup, but your eyes and nose don't actually move . Besides, even if it did have trouble, they'd simply have to register both "faces".

As has been noted, reliable recog is not the problem. The problem is, how do you STOP it from unlocking in situations where you'd rather it stayed locked. The easiest solution would be to require a screen touch first. No wait, easiest would be to simply turn the phone face down! D'oh!

And what do we feel is going to happen to people like this?

?

 

[vcboard]

It'll definitely make it easier for law enforcers to unlock suspect phones without asking for pin / password.

As we do not have anything to hide, we shouldn't be worried, right? RIGHT?

 

[WilliamG]

I think sunglasses are the bigger dilemma for me anyway. There must be a way though, I would think.

Wouldn't infrared not care if you're wearing sunglasses? In addition, much like recording several fingerprints for TouchID, I would imagine being able to record several faces, too; e.g. With baseball hat, with sunglasses, etc.

But if you live in Minnesota in the winter, wearing a balaclava, you're probably out of luck. Also, if you're wearing a sock over your head when you rob a bank, you're probably also out of luck for making calls to the getaway car.

 

[mariusignorello]

How about "EYE-D" then?

Nope lol.

 

[jdillings]

And what do we feel is going to happen to people like this?

?

How long before Apple's switch to Face ID is called culturally insensitive?

 

[osxpinot]

Yes law enforcement will really like this feature. Even if someone doesn't want to unlock the phone for them to search they just need to hold it up to the person's face. It'll be very easy if they have a person they arrested handcuffed.

Then when the phone sees their faces reading it, it could potentially lock itself

 

[iZac]

For all the security concerns about accidental or serrupticious unlocking, perhaps it'll have the option to two-factor with voice recognition?

 

[mariusignorello]

For all the security concerns about accidental or serrupticious unlocking, perhaps it'll have the option to two-factor with voice recognition?

Hmmm maybe it will have a needle to take a blood sample too. That would be cool, no joke.

 

[fatboyslick]

Great so it's now going to unlock willy nilly whenever my face is within vicinity of the device
FFS Apple, people want to turn on their device with their hand.
What next, you have to hold it to your foot to hear phone calls as it means greater clarity of sound as it revrberates through your bones

 

[NightFox]

Let me get this straight... Apple already has all our fingerprints potentially tied to our Apple IDs. Now they are going to have our faces as well?

I mean, I know the fingerprints are encrypted and kept on the device itself but there's always the possibility....

If you base your view of the world on what's possible, you're going to end up with one messed-up view of the world.

 

[Defender2010]

Thank you. I'm glad someone else understands this. If Touch ID is removed, it will not come back. Removing Touch ID only to reintroduce it a year or two later would make no sense and would be as if Apple were admitting failure. We couldn't manage to get it under the display this year but maybe in a year or two, so we will just remove it in the meantime. Anyone who knows how Apple works knows they are a company that will gladly wait to bring something to the market when they can be assured it will provide the best experience for the consumer. Apple is often not first to bring new concepts to the market, especially lately. They'll wait until they can do it better then release their take on it. They won't get rid of Touch ID if they don't have a replacement that is as good as or better than the current offering.

While on the topic of this concept, the headphone jack will NOT make an appearance again in a future iPhone. Please people, stop mentioning it. It won't happen. We are moving toward a wireless future with the goal likely being for phone manufacturers to want to seal their phones up air tight. I understand the AirPods will not work for everyone, but at least give them a try. They aren't perfect. They can certainly be improved upon. However, as someone who loathes EarPods, these things are a night and day difference for me. Sound quality is better, in my opinion, and I've never felt them begin to fall out even once. After about two minutes of them being in my ears, I forget I even have them in. They are one of the best Apple products I've purchased in a while. I apologize for digressing from the topic of this article.

TLDR: If Touch ID is removed, it's not coming back. The headphone jack was removed, and it will not come back. Give AirPods a try. They can be tested at an Apple Store, which I personally did, and returned if you aren't satisfied, which I didn't do. I kept mine and love them.

Why do you make your opinion sound like fact....when it’s not.

 

[simonmet]

Isn't it obvious, that face ID will allow you to make a certain face, not just a normal face!?

Don't know why no one has pointed this out yet.

Are you suggesting people will be constantly making funny faces at their phones in public? That would be rather amusing but I don’t see it happening!

[doublepost=1502092478][/doublepost]Can someone explain how this will work?

A thief, friend, family member or partner picks up or has your phone and can unlock it simply by pointing it at you before you even realise that it’s yours. iPhones come in limited shapes and sizes.

Maybe a child wants to buy something and can do so simply by pointing it at mummy or daddy, especially if they’ve already been given permission to play with it. Maybe a suspicious partner wants to snoop on their partner’s text messages and pictures. If both partners have the same phone how would you know? Would it work while you were asleep? :O

Remember, this is supposed to be as quick as Touch ID or else what’s the point?

It’s reasonable to have security concerns about new tech. I and many others certainly did with Touch ID, which have been largely mitigated. I still didn’t use it for a while before the speed of the second version made it too good to resist.

That’s where it all comes back to speed again. People won’t want to go back from a virtually instant unlock. So can a scanning feature that works instantly be as secure if it doesn’t necessarily have to be held by the person unlocking it?
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Then when the phone sees their faces reading it, it could potentially lock itself

Wouldn’t that require almost constant scanning and be a huge battery drain?

 

[Bacillus]

This is what makes a Joni such a genius !!
He foresaw 4 years ago that we'd need a protruding bullfrog-eye camera scanning ourselves 24/7 ...