HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Will Be Able to Scan Your Face Even While Device is Lying Flat

[gijoeinla]

Guess Apple is regretting creating the HomePod, before even releasing it.

Regret it why? I mean if the HomePod is to have any relationship with our products and it's headed for our homes - it's doubtful to me that they'd withhold software development geared toward HomePod too near its release. And then risk developmental disaster for the HomePod and its legacy as a new product?

Just bc this information is there today in the kit is no guarantee it will make it or b accurate upon release either in the 8, ATV, etc. Where's all references to the iPads? I for one want to see an iPad geared to b a home controller placed on a wall(s) in a house to run all things Apple..

The watch for example can't function as a phone without Earbuds or AirPods. I think it's safe to say the watch can have connectivity function but it's clearly limited in application as a independent communications device. No worry there.

I think this info finally shows that Cook has finally got the company to broadly expand it los ecosystem even further and quite frankly all this info in my opinion makes for good reason to buy its stock.

 

[Bane-Thunder]

I just thought about something about two hours ago.

My little nephew took my phone while I was sitting with his mom in the kitchen and quickly showed me the front of my phone, not too far from my face and then ran off with the phone.

If this were the iPhone 8 wouldn't my phone just had unlocked it self and now my little nephew has access to my phone since he quickly had the front of my iPhone 7 plus not too far from my face before he ran off with it.

Well I guess all ladies need to do now is grab their man's phone at night and just hold it near their face and Bam, all the side chicks nudes and videos all for her to see.

No touchid is a BIG NNNNOOOOO for me!

iPhone 7S Plus sounding great right now.

Well then the iPhone Anniversary edition just aint for you. I was using iPhones before TouchID and will be using them after TouchID is long gone lool.

I had an S8 for 3 months using facial recognition it worked perfectly fine, as the fingerprint reader being awkwardly placed meant I never used it.

The full OLED screen is what im excited for and I've been wanting the home button plus the top an bottom bezels removed since the iPhone 4 so this has been a long time coming for me I couldnt be more excited!

This is simply the best changes ive ever seen to an iPhone since the iPhone 4.

 

[kdarling]

And what do we feel is going to happen to people like this?

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Probably not allowed to have a smartphone to begin with.

As long as we're looking for problem users, how about this poor sucker:

Oh noes. No TouchId or FaceId!

 

[Neodym]

The idea it wouldn't be able to unlock with a picture or through a camera picture and when it comes to the police? pretty sure they can't do anything like that by law without your permission

however if you have nothing to hide it shouldn't matter. Don't get in trouble..simple

OMG - such naivity! Or did I miss the sarcasm tags? Maybe you'd like to watch "Brazil" and rethink your position.

If you base your view of the world on what's possible, you're going to end up with one messed-up view of the world.

"The issue's not whether you're paranoid, Lenny, I mean look at this ****, the issue is whether you're paranoid enough." (--> "Strange Days").

 

[ValO]

That it is referred to as PEARL makes me wonder if there will be a pearl-sized dome with a lens on the front of the phone.

Something like that.
I guess it is called pearl, because it is kind of a 3d camera, and is able to scan surroundings of the phone, not just what is exactly in front of the phone.

 

[Mousesuck]

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Nintendo’s “New 3DS” has facing tracking glasses free 3D - for it to work well it has to keep track of your eyes and other facial features for the effect to work from various angles. (The 3DS didn’t have the face tracking, and as such you had to hold it perfectly still in one sweet spot for the effect to work.)

The way it works at night is with a little infrared light next to the front camera - if the light level gets too low you can see the dull red color show. And it still worked just as well! Apple would likely use this type of tech.

Honestly that would make a lot of sense since it would possibilitate the creation of an holographic interface on the IPhone which would be super cool.

Also this is PEARL the initials of this face recognition system have AR (augmented reality in the middle), whatever the other letters mean.

 

[Pfunstuff]

Why do you make your opinion sound like fact....when it’s not.

My opinions are just that...opinions. They may sound like facts which is your opinion. They won't bring back a feature they removed. However, if they did, I'd be the first one to step up and admit I was wrong. Based on how Apple operates, I don't foresee having to to do that.

 

[aleni]

Meanwhile last week a lot of people here will skip iphone 8 and the next iphone because no touchId. Remember boys, your brains is a level of internet forum lurker and can't be compared with the brain level of apple r&d team.
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This seems like a nice feature. My concern would be, what if someone picks my charging phone up off the table while I’m asleep and put its in front of my face to unlock it. At least with TouchID, they would have to grab my hand and chances are, I would wake up to notice it.

Just a random thought...definitely first world problems.

Will not work with eyes closed and saliva coming from mouth.

 

[gijoeinla]

What still grossly disappoints is where's the update to FACETIME people? It hasn't been updated, changed, made commercially available etc. Cmon Apple.

 

[DieterV]

Ode to the conspiracy theorists.

https://www.google.be/amp/gizmodo.com/5441693/how-apple-unofficially-leaks-information/amp
Just read this.

 

[aleni]

What still grossly disappoints is where's the update to FACETIME people? It hasn't been updated, changed, made commercially available etc. Cmon Apple.

Front camera will be 4k 60fps support in the next iphone 8 becahse they need it to scan your face in detail, but for facetime app, it will support only at 1080 max. Mark my word.

 

[dilbert99]

I'm still worried about wearing headgear and needing to quickly unlock your phone....

Why? How long does it take you to enter your pin?

 

[ValO]

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Honestly that would make a lot of sense since it would possibilitate the creation of an holographic interface on the IPhone which would be super cool.

Also this is PEARL the initials of this face recognition system have AR (augmented reality in the middle), whatever the other letters mean.

The L on the end is from Lense?
E from Encrypted or Enhanced or Engine, Enclave?
P from Personal?

Personal Encrypted Augment Reality Lens?

Personal Encrypted Authentication Radial? Lens?

Personal Encrypted Authentication Recognition Lens?

 

[WatchFromAfar]

So... will my twin brother be able to unlock my phone?

Yes, a problem that could potentially effect 3% of the world (if they all had an iPhone 8); I doubt that's high on the list of Apple's concerns with getting this phone out of the door.

 

[Ashwin Campbell]

I hope that it is indistinguishable and that it works seamlessly. I can't telling you how many times I had put my thumb on the home button by accident and before I realized it, it's called my boss, my friends, whoever. Even my old iPhone without touch button did that.

I’m still kinda sceptical about FaceID, but that’s largely due to how much I love TouchID. It’s a high bar Apple has set for itself.

It just occurred to me though that *maybe* we’ve been looking at this backwards. Could be that keeping TouchID was the backup plan for Apple, in case FaceID couldn’t be made to work well enough. And dropping TouchID has more to do with FaceID being a success than with problems adding TouchID to the iPhone 8. Maybe. I just hope it really is good enough, so we’ll see…

I also suspect that FaceID won’t be a background thing, and will need a (virtual) home button press for it to trigger. If so (and if it works properly) that would make it feel indistinguishable from TouchID. Or even better than TouchID, if you have wet hands etc.

 

[Bacillus]

Probably not allowed to have a smartphone to begin with.

As long as we're looking for problem users, how about this poor sucker:

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Oh noes. No TouchId or FaceId!

Whaha !
"Some 5 mio individuals from Ryad to Baghdad tried to login with your faceID.
You are kindly advised to change your face. As a preventive measure, we suspended all accounts "

 

[ValO]

Yes, a problem that could potentially effect 3% of the world (if they all had an iPhone 8); I doubt that's high on the list of Apple's concerns with getting this phone out of the door.

no, i saw a youtube video with microsofts Hello and even identical twins couldn' t hack it.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

no, i saw a youtube video with microsofts Hello and even identical twins couldn' t hack it.

Huh, I guess I learned something, although I was leaning more on the sarcastic side

 

[Pfunstuff]

This is my biggest concern. I don't really care what they do to the iPhone 8. I already wasn't buying it. But does FaceID only authentication mean that Apple is giving up on getting Touch ID to work under the screen in some future iPhone? I personally thought that concept sounded really cool and I would love to use that phone, so if that roadmap is scrapped that is sad...And I really hope that Android phones don't follow Apple's lead like they are doing with the headphone jack removal.

I agree with you on Touch ID under the screen being cool. It works so flawlessly, and I have confidence they'd pull it off well. They won't do it if they don't feel it's ready though. That's how Apple works, and I'm fine with that. I would rather have a new feature working as well as Touch ID does now instead of something half-baked like other manufacturers. It's not always about who's first to the market. Sometimes it's about who's best in the market.

I think if they went the route of having Face ID being the only means of authentication, it's probably safe to say they feel there is more potential for Face ID. I love Touch ID, but I'm actually very excited at the prospect of Face ID if it were pulled off correctly. If it turned out to be as quick and accurate as Touch ID, I'm all for it. Imagine if Face ID authenticated you before using Apple Pay and provided a small window of time for you to hold your phone to the terminal. This is similar to how Samsung Pay works. You can authenticate with your finger then hold the phone near the terminal without keeping your finger on the fingerprint scanner as you have to with Touch ID. If Face ID worked in this manner, it wouldn't be as awkward as some people are worried about with respect to having to hold your face in front of the phone while holding it near the payment terminal at the same time. I feel a Face ID implementation similar to this would be easier than Touch ID currently is. Every now and then if I hit up a McDonald's drive-thru, keeping your finger on Touch ID while the cashier is holding the terminal out of the window is certainly an awkward angle to hold your phone at at times. I often feel I'll drop it if I don't have the right grip on it. Face ID in a manner how I described would eliminate this concern.

It will only be a matter of time before Android phones remove their auxiliary ports as well. The Google Pixel 2 is already rumored to be potentially removing the auxiliary port after touting it as a feature they kept while taking a jab at Apple for removing it. We are moving toward a wireless future. It may be a while before Bluetooth headphones catch up to the quality of most wired sets of high quality headphones, but who ever thought cell phone cameras would be taking pictures with quality to compete with point and shoot cameras?

 

[ValO]

I agree with you on Touch ID under the screen being cool. It works so flawlessly, and I have confidence they'd pull it off well. They won't do it if they don't feel it's ready though. That's how Apple works, and I'm fine with that. I would rather have a new feature working as well as Touch ID does now instead of something half-baked like other manufacturers. It's not always about who's first to the market. Sometimes it's about who's best in the market.

I think if they went the route of having Face ID being the only means of authentication, it's probably safe to say they feel there is more potential for Face ID. I love Touch ID, but I'm actually very excited at the prospect of Face ID if it were pulled off correctly. If it turned out to be as quick and accurate as Touch ID, I'm all for it. Imagine if Face ID authenticated you before using Apple Pay and provided a small window of time for you to hold your phone to the terminal. This is similar to how Samsung Pay works. You can authenticate with your finger then hold the phone near the terminal without keeping your finger on the fingerprint scanner as you have to with Touch ID. If Face ID worked in this manner, it wouldn't be as awkward as some people are worried about with respect to having to hold your face in front of the phone while holding it near the payment terminal at the same time. I feel a Face ID implementation similar to this would be easier than Touch ID currently is. Every now and then if I hit up a McDonald's drive-thru, keeping your finger on Touch ID while the cashier is holding the terminal out of the window is certainly an awkward angle to hold your phone at at times. I often feel I'll drop it if I don't have the right grip on it. Face ID in a manner how I described would eliminate this concern.

It will only be a matter of time before Android phones remove their auxiliary ports as well. The Google Pixel 2 is already rumored to be potentially removing the auxiliary port after touting it as a feature they kept while taking a jab at Apple for removing it. We are moving toward a wireless future. It may be a while before Bluetooth headphones catch up to the quality of most wired sets of high quality headphones, but who ever thought cell phone cameras would be taking pictures with quality to compete with point and shoot cameras?

Yeah, or it has a heart rate sensor build in the phone, like apple watch??? Long shot, i know... so each time you log in through face id, and it leaves your hand, you must log in again through face id. The same thing with the apple watch, if it loses your heartbeat, you have to type your code again.
Just for apple pay...

 

[Pfunstuff]

Yeah, or it has a heart rate sensor build in the phone, like apple watch??? Long shot, i know... so each time you log in through face id, and it leaves your hand, you must log in again through face id. The same thing with the apple watch, if it loses your heartbeat, you have to type your code again.
Just for apple pay...

Exactly. Imagine someone taking your phone from you without your permission. If Face ID was being used, the cameras could quickly detect and scan the new face and automatically lock the phone. Obviously, there would be times you wouldn't want this to occur such as voluntarily giving your phone to someone to look at a picture. So, there would have to be other measures taken to provide options. However, it's neat to think about the possibilities that this tech could have that Touch ID doesn't provide. Both techs will have their pros and cons. It's just a matter of which one, or both, Apple decides to utilize. Perhaps Touch ID could be used in conjunction with Face ID. There are so many possibilities.

 

[DNichter]

Uh, where have you been the last 10 years? Apple Maps? Apple Music? Apple Watch? Heck even the OS on the first iPhone was barely functional.

Apple maps had some issues to start, but I think the rest of what you mentioned were great. Technology will never be perfect, but if you can only mention 3 things that they have slipped on in that last 10 years, I'd say that's pretty good. Let's not just forget about the solid products or services they have released.

 

[vicviper789]

Lying flat, not laying flat.

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yeah I definitely thought they found code to suggest the phone is lying about scanning your face when you disable it

 

[DNichter]

Let me get this straight... Apple already has all our fingerprints potentially tied to our Apple IDs. Now they are going to have our faces as well?

I mean, I know the fingerprints are encrypted and kept on the device itself but there's always the possibility....

Not sure what you are worried about here... ?
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So when our girlfriends/boyfriends are trying to snoop on our phones... instead of covering my fingerprints I gotta cover my face? I might have to go full burka around the house.

This happens? Your significant other has grabbed your phone and tried to put it to your fingers while you cover them? Maybe you need a new significant other.

 

[rikscha]

This seems like a nice feature. My concern would be, what if someone picks my charging phone up off the table while I’m asleep and put its in front of my face to unlock it. At least with TouchID, they would have to grab my hand and chances are, I would wake up to notice it.

Just a random thought...definitely first world problems.

Because that's what I'm worried about all the time and it happens to me every day. Someone creeps up on me while I'm sleeping trying to scan my finger.

You are right, we need to be protected against such an every-day-of-your-life scenario.