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honest inquiry: Why did Apple frack-up so badly on the iPhone 4?

Disclaimer: I'm coming from a 3G to the 4, so my opinions could be skewed.

Frackups:

It's loud enough that I can use the speaker phone. Just because I'm hard of hearing does it give Apple the right to make these younguns deaf?!

The video is great for this tiny device. WTF was Apple thinking!?

I just can't seem to make this phone lose signal. Get with it Apple!

What's the deal with making an iPhone that even
TheSpaz could love? Seriously?? Apple fracked up big time there.
 
doug in albq said:
I think you are suffering from acute fanboitis. Mucho problems with apple's 4th gen phone and OS.
Press22 said:
Really? Because I'm loving mine. No dropped calls yet, fast OS, amazing display with no yellow spots. All my apps work without a problem now and the ones that had problems were updated by the developer. The camera takes great pictures with and without flash. Only bug mine had was a weird lock sound when I would lock it but it doesn't bother me since that's a software issue and it is very minor. (I just turned off the lock sound in settings)
My proximity sensor isn't failing either.
Oh and glass breaks, DUHHHHH! it's not made from diamonds
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Anyone remember the hairline cracks in the 3G + 3GS, no? becuase nobody will.. everyone blew it up into a tsunami in a teacup but there was no issue, just like the slight faults atm (the signal problem is made worse with AT&T **** network, on o2 its quality)

^brilliant post, great phone

ohh and the "the glass breaks like glass" part made me wee a little :D
 
No one has actually attempted to answer the question, so I will toss out a few ideas myself...

1. Apple is spreading itself too thin.
2. In a quest to maximize the profits, Apple squeezed too much necessary steps out of the production and or testing phase this time around.
3. Created a reason for the coming stock price adjustment to bring Apple's market cap value more in line with actual value. If apples stock price falls only shareholders suffer, for the most part. apple the company does not actually lose all that money...
4. Steve jobs is too busy thinking about his autobiography and his personal wealth. (and health)
5. All great, large companies eventually hit a "bump in the road" like Microsoft, and its stock...
 
Ubuntu said:
...seriously? I got my iPhone on Monday and gave my sister my iPhone 3G. She'll get 3+ bars and I'll get 1-2 (3 if I'm lucky). That's on top of the actual antenna issue in the news. When Steve said "don't hold it that way" I actually can't see a practical way to hold the phone without the connection going. I never had a single dropped call on my iPhone 3G, I've had about 10 now on this phone.

And a software update will fix this... how?
And then there is the proximity issue. I've not had this personally but it seems like a painful issue.
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this won't fix your dropping issue I'm sure, but worth a try... try resetting your network settings on your phone as advised here to fix the lower reception problem... then put your voodoo hat on.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/06/iphone-4-reception-issues-a-network-reset-might-help/
 
Alright to answer the question I saw on the first post.
What is apple thinking?
"We just made the majority of people happy with our great phone, let's go to Disneyland."
 
doug in albq said:
No, you could be uninformed, non-technical, an Apple employee or heavy stock holder, or a flat-out liar, any of those are a possibility.
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Then you've pretty much disqualified all of macrumors as competent enough to answer you question. You'll need to ask elsewhere, looks like. Unless you're just here to troll, of course.

doug in albq said:
No one has actually attempted to answer the question, so I will toss out a few ideas myself...
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More like, you're fishing to try and rile up the "apologists."
 
jambobowron said:
Anyone remember the hairline cracks in the 3G + 3GS, no? becuase nobody will.. everyone blew it up into a tsunami in a teacup but there was no issue, just like the slight faults atm (the signal problem is made worse with AT&T **** network, on o2 its quality)

^brilliant post, great phone

ohh and the "the glass breaks like glass" part made me wee a little :D
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Totally weak comparison, today's phone issues are all over the media....almost all major and minor media, whether tech related or not, have covered at least one of apple's flubs with this new phone...in fact, name media outlet that has not covered an issue with this phone....bet you cannot.
 
doug in albq said:
Totally weak comparison, today's phone issues are all over the media....almost all major and minor media, whether tech related or not, have covered at least one of apple's flubs with this new phone...in fact, name media outlet that has not covered an issue with this phone....bet you cannot.
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Sorry for caps in this post
LIKE WE SAID SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS THREAD, PEOPLE WITH NO PROBLEMS WITH THE PHONE WON'T GO OUT AND SAY THIS PHONE ROCKS THEY ASSUME EVERYONES PHONE IS WORKING JUST LIKE THEIRS.
So OP what does that mean.... Press are the same way! Which headline will get more attention from readers? "iPhone 4 users experiencing problems." or "My iPhone 4 works great."
Here read this +http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckraker
It's very similar to what we call "Trolls"
 
doug in albq said:
Totally weak comparison, today's phone issues are all over the media....almost all major and minor media, whether tech related or not, have covered at least one of apple's flubs with this new phone...in fact, name media outlet that has not covered an issue with this phone....bet you cannot.
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http://crackberry.com/ :p

sooo... what? you want to know why apple facked up so much? but your disregarding the problems that past generations had, making the issues that the iP4 has, less substantial.
your "honest inquiry" is as bent as a US war crimes trial
 
Press22 said:
Sorry for caps in this post
LIKE WE SAID SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS THREAD, PEOPLE WITH NO PROBLEMS WITH THE PHONE WON'T GO OUT AND SAY THIS PHONE ROCKS THEY ASSUME EVERYONES PHONE IS WORKING JUST LIKE THEIRS.
So OP what does that mean.... Press are the same way! Which headline will get more attention from readers? "iPhone 4 users experiencing problems." or "My iPhone 4 works great."
Here read this +http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckraker
It's very similar to what we call "Trolls"
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What does your redundancy add to this discussion. if you have no problems and are completely satisfied with your new phone....then there is nothing for you to see in this thread and you are welcome to move along...

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Anyone read wired's latest article saying it is hand sweat that makes the phone not work!
 
jambobowron said:
http://crackberry.com/ :p

sooo... what? you want to know why apple facked up so much? but your disregarding the problems that past generations had, making the issues that the iP4 has, less substantial.
your "honest inquiry" is as bent as a US war crimes trial
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+1 It seems everyone here complaining about the iPhone 4 had a perfect phone before with zero reported issues.
 
The only problem is people like you.

Had I listen to all the bulll... I would be without an iphone.

This is the best phone out there period. Why the hell do people look at bars all day long????? just make the call and forget about it. If you are not even using the phone why are you even looking at the f...ing bars????????????????

It is glass... glass breaks so whatttt??????????????????

so all the cars are pieces of shi... because when you crash them they brake??????????????? Are you serious???????

I do not have a problem with the sensor issue, but I am sure it is exaggerated too. Just keep your phone close to your ear.

Stop believing all the the bullcrap you hear. The fact is that if you put the new phones (evo incredible x and iphone) next to each other, you would pick the iphone.

so quit crying .
 
doug in albq said:
What does your redundancy add to this discussion. if you have no problems and are completely satisfied with your new phone....then there is nothing for you to see in this thread and you are welcome to move along...
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You wanted us to answer your question which I did. You turned it into something else bro.
 
chembox said:
Says the guy who doesn't own one. :rolleyes:

Way to blindly defend your allegiance.
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cry me a river. dont need to own one, people generally complain about problems. guarantee you if people posted their phone works it would outweigh the threads that post about problems.

doug in albq said:
Maybe something that should be strong should not be made of glass, just a thought. I know of no bicycles or automobile frames made of glass...just one simple example.

Typical MR "page 1" apologists...let's get this thread to page two or three!
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this post is laughable, bro.
 
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Frack up?
That does not compute!
 
I don't know if Apple fracked up the phone or not. There are obviously some issues out there with the antenna and proximity sensor. Some have it, some don't...there's no debate there. What I've been surprised about is the last few months for Apple. They lost a test phone. That funny moment at WWDC when Steve couldn't get the phone working on the wifi. No white phones at launch. The antenna issue. The proximity sensor. Steve's attitude about all this stuff.
I haven't had the signal problem with my phone but I have had the problem with the proximity sensor....and I'm not one of these "Apple sucks" people. But I am very surprised at how un-Apple like this whole iPhone 4 launch has been
 
doug in albq said:
No one has actually attempted to answer the question, so I will toss out a few ideas myself....
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Actually, I was about to post!

doug in albq said:
...Flame away, this is simply an honest inquiry...what the heck is Apple thinking? I honestly thought Apple was above releasing products that appear to be only half-baked in both the software and hardware.
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Such as the Newton? Hand-writing recognition that didn't work on the product's release and a PDA product that didn't fit into a pocket, aren't exactly hallmarks of a marriage of perfectly designed hardware and software.

The cracks that appeared in the Cube's casing was a PR disaster - Apple had no idea they would appear and when they were discovered, the excuse was it was equivalent to grains in finely produced antique furniture.

The Powerbook 5300 had problem with the battery fires and although it had a hot (no pun intended) swappable drive, there wasn't enough room for an internal CD drive.

Those are just three examples of troubled releases off the top of my head - I feel the iPhone 4's future is going to be waaaaaaaay brighter than these products. That's just my opinion mind.

You may have more Apple stuff than me but I did manage to scrap a living for a few years as a Mac hack for a few magazines, so I think I'll need a bit more convincing about your own expertise.

Having a naive, rose-tinted view of Apple as it was, is rather sweet, but to imply that Apple's product launches have been gloriously trouble-free until iPhone 4, amusing as it is, is completely wrong. Sounds like you need to read up a bit about Apple's history - happy to suggest a few books and online resources if you like.

doug in albq said:
Totally weak comparison, today's phone issues are all over the media....almost all major and minor media, whether tech related or not, have covered at least one of apple's flubs with this new phone...in fact, name media outlet that has not covered an issue with this phone....bet you cannot.
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The iPhone 4 was a bigger news story before any faults were reported than the other models.

Before it was even released, there were reams of filler material like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7800676/10-reasons-not-to-buy-Apples-new-iPhone-4G.html

The situation is that is there's an iPhone 4 angle, the press will run with it.... no matter what the story is and how strong it really is.

From what I infer, you're saying the iPhone 4 problems are bigger than earlier models because they're getting more attention in the press, which is kinda sweet but shows a bit too much faith in the media.
 
Can't you guys have a civilized discussion? I suppose this is the Internet, after all—but It bothers me how every discussion on these forums degrades into mudslinging.

I suppose I'm just another person whining about people whining, but look at us…this is getting out of hand.
 
The reasons are:

Unnecessary secrecy, smugness, greed to monetize on the design as soon as possible, false sense of superiority, lack of respect towards customers and a freaky personal cult of an aged man with no sense of reality.

Some of these issues could be fixed by removing Stalin from the board. Sorry, I meant Stevo.
 
1. Reception problem not discovered probably due to ip4 being tested in cases.
2. And probably due to testing being cut short due to the thief and Gizmodo.

But note how iPhone 4 launch compare to other phones
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/07/01/reality-check-the-iphone-4-launch-in-perspective/

doug in albq said:
Maybe something that should be strong should not be made of glass, just a thought. I know of no bicycles or automobile frames made of glass...just one simple example.

Typical MR "page 1" apologists...let's get this thread to page two or three!
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Apple has a patent on the bezel that protects previous iPhones, thus I am extremely surprised to learn that the ip4 seems to be more fragile.

Apple bezel patent:
http://obamapacman.com/2010/03/apple-iphone-steel-bezel-patent-7688574-more-than-good-looks/

jambobowron said:
Anyone remember the hairline cracks in the 3G + 3GS, no? becuase nobody will.. everyone blew it up into a tsunami in a teacup but there was no issue, just like the slight faults atm (the signal problem is made worse with AT&T **** network, on o2 its quality)

^brilliant post, great phone

ohh and the "the glass breaks like glass" part made me wee a little :D
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Had 3Gs, did not know of anyone with hairline cracks.
 
TonyC28 said:
I don't know if Apple fracked up the phone or not. There are obviously some issues out there with the antenna and proximity sensor. Some have it, some don't...there's no debate there. What I've been surprised about is the last few months for Apple. They lost a test phone. That funny moment at WWDC when Steve couldn't get the phone working on the wifi. No white phones at launch. The antenna issue. The proximity sensor. Steve's attitude about all this stuff.
I haven't had the signal problem with my phone but I have had the problem with the proximity sensor....and I'm not one of these "Apple sucks" people. But I am very surprised at how un-Apple like this whole iPhone 4 launch has been
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allll very true, but its the things like this that the OP has clearly forgotten, and other people forget (because the iPhone is the real product that the world sees in the papers and news) so this means that it should be flawless? Obvs it should be flawless but its hard. but theres also these events which i think show that the iP4 launch wasn't really out of the ordinary;

Yeah they lost a test phone which was stupid, but they also leaked images of the new iPad (coincidently it had a iP4 on the same table which was cool)
Issues with signal and sensors - just like iPad wifi issues, iMac 27" screen issues and graphics problems
No white iphones at launch? like not having iPad 3G at launch and then having to delay global release.
and then the WiFi issues at WWDC were just puckeries (i think thats the only true unapple like event. A company that pride itself on having large events to release products, want to make sure those events go well - and when it didnt? the world press has a field day

right im done - sorry for the essay
 
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