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Hot Stove thread

macbaseball said:
Sorry SayHey. I hadn't read that article. The ones I've read back up the Dodgers interest in Damon, not Jones.
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No need to be sorry, just asking where you read it. Now if the Dodgers get Damon that would be a disaster. I don't like the idea of Furcal and Damon leading off the Dodgers lineup. Jones would be bad enough. I'm hoping they go with a platoon of Ledee and Cruz - only they have to play the guy who is mired in the 0 for 64 slump.
 
Sayhey said:
No need to be sorry, just asking where you read it. Now if the Dodgers get Damon that would be a disaster. I don't like the idea of Furcal and Damon leading off the Dodgers lineup. Jones would be bad enough. I'm hoping they go with a platoon of Ledee and Cruz - only they have to play the guy who is mired in the 0 for 64 slump.
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Supposedly the Red Sox offered him 4 years, $40 million. I don't know if he's worth more than that. He's 32 and not quite the fielder he used to be.
 
aloofman said:
Supposedly the Red Sox offered him 4 years, $40 million. I don't know if he's worth more than that. He's 32 and not quite the fielder he used to be.
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As a Sox fan, I wouldn't give him more than 3 years. He's getting gimpy, he's slowing down -- I wouldn't want him at 36!

And that nut Scott Boras wants someone to sign Damon to a seven year deal ...
 
If that's the case, then I very much doubt that Damon will be going to LA. It would be shocking to see him offered more than three years at his age, not especially from the Dodgers, who have a lot of outfield talent coming up through the farm system, and an ownership that doesn't seem to believe in long term deals.

Problem is, the free agent outfield pool is pretty slim pickings this year. Worse comes to worse, I think the Dodger can go with what they've got. Drew/Werth/Ledee/Cruz/Repko/Edwards isn't a world-beating outfield, but neither is it shabby.
 
Looks like Vasquez might be going to the ChiSox.
The World Champion Chicago White Sox have traded for Javier Vazquez, adding pitching power to a starting rotation that included four pitchers with double-digit wins last season.

The Arizona Diamondbacks will send Vazquez to the White Sox, ESPN.com Insider Jerry Crasnick confirmed Wednesday.

In exchange, Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez, reliever Luis Vizcaino and outfield prospect Chris Young will be sent to Arizona.

The deal has yet to be announced by the teams because Arizona is sending cash to the White Sox, which requires the commissioner's approval. Also, the players must take physical exams...
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A good trade for the Sox if you ask me. Might make up for the Thome Blunder.
 
I love Billy Mueller, the Yankee Kueller. Almost to an irrational extent. Pesky hitter, and an underrated glove. Dodger fans will love him, too.
 
Now, if the Dodgers sign Snow and Aurilia they can recreate the Giants infield of the late '90s. I KNOW that's what you Dodger fans really want. Unlike Kent, it's going to be hard to boo Billy, but I'll do my best. ;)
 
Good choice, solid performer. We're getting there.

(Sayhey, wish as you might that the Dodgers become a collection of Giant cast-offs, it seems more like Grady Little is reassembling his Boston team.)
 
IJ Reilly said:
Good choice, solid performer. We're getting there.

(Sayhey, wish as you might that the Dodgers become a collection of Giant cast-offs, it seems more like Grady Little is reassembling his Boston team.)
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hopefully history will repeat itself and "he who must not be named" will leave Lowe in too long in the playoffs and cost his team the series....

no offense at the Dodgers, or at your personally, just at "he who must not be named"
 
eva01 said:
hopefully history will repeat itself and "he who must not be named" will leave Lowe in too long in the playoffs and cost his team the series....

no offense at the Dodgers, or at your personally, just at "he who must not be named"
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Would that make you feel better somehow for a mistake to be repeated with another team?
 
IJ Reilly said:
Good choice, solid performer. We're getting there.

(Sayhey, wish as you might that the Dodgers become a collection of Giant cast-offs, it seems more like Grady Little is reassembling his Boston team.)
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I don't believe Colletti has given over those decisions to Little. He may consult him, but Colletti has waited too long to let others pull the strings. I'm kinda kidding about all the ex-Giants, but it is true GMs like players they're comfortable with.


eva, I'm sympathetic to long suffering fans, but if Grady is "he who must not be named" because he made a decision to continue with his ace, then what do you do when you have to talk about Buckner?
 
aloofman said:
Would that make you feel better somehow for a mistake to be repeated with another team?
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nah i would just find it funny. sorta cynical :p

It was Buckner's 56th birthday today :p

Also i hear that Milton Bradley is now part of the A's

wooo another team for him to disrupt
 
Sayhey said:
I'm sympathetic to long suffering fans, but if Grady is "he who must not be named" because he made a decision to continue with his ace, then what do you do when you have to talk about Buckner?
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We don't talk about Bill Buckner.

I'm reminded of a bad joke from a sports magazine I read years ago: "Ask any Red Sox fan what they think of the Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson trade. Then duck."

God. I can't believe you brought up Bill Buckner ...
 
Around here they used to throw darts at Bobby Richardson pictures for years after the '62 series. We KNEW he cheated in order to position himself right where McCovey hit that drive. That was the year I started watching Giants baseball, and there still isn't a Series title we can call our own. Hell, I sat through a earthquake that ended the Giants slim chance at a Series win. I watched Dusty congratulate Ortiz on the final victory of the Series only to see a great bullpen blow it. So I am sympathetic, but now that you all have a title - Buckner, Buckner, Buckner!!!:D
 
Sayhey said:
Around here they used to throw darts at Bobby Richardson pictures for years after the '62 series. We KNEW he cheated in order to position himself right where McCovey hit that drive. That was the year I started watching Giants baseball, and there still isn't a Series title we can call our own. Hell, I sat through a earthquake that ended the Giants slim chance at a Series win. I watched Dusty congratulate Ortiz on the final victory of the Series only to see a great bullpen blow it. So I am sympathetic, but now that you all have a title - Buckner, Buckner, Buckner!!!:D
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Maybe it's kind of a reverse karma from the '60 Series, the only one in which the Series MVP was from the losing team: Bobby Richardson.

Spiezio, Spiezio, Spiezio!!! :D
 
aloofman said:
Maybe it's kind of a reverse karma from the '60 Series, the only one in which the Series MVP was from the losing team: Bobby Richardson.

Spiezio, Spiezio, Spiezio!!! :D
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Sooo cruel!! :eek: :p
 
The Dodgers are about to sign Nomar Garciaparra to a one-season deal. He can play most of the infield positions and left field. I think we can expect him to start at first against left-hand pitchers and in left field against righties, unless they get a quality outfielder (e.g., Damon), in which case Garciaparra is the everyday first baseman and Choi gets dealt.

Garciaparra swings a very good bat, but he's been fragile. I'm sure the Dodgers would rather have him play a lot of games standing at first rather than fewer games roaming around left field.

It's beginning to look a lot like Boston... :)
 
IJ Reilly said:
The Dodgers are about to sign Nomar Garciaparra to a one-season deal. He can play most of the infield positions and left field. I think we can expect him to start at first against left-hand pitchers and in left field against righties, unless they get a quality outfielder (e.g., Damon), in which case Garciaparra is the everyday first baseman and Choi gets dealt.

Garciaparra swings a very good bat, but he's been fragile. I'm sure the Dodgers would rather have him play a lot of games standing at first rather than fewer games roaming around left field.

It's beginning to look a lot like Boston... :)
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Ned Colletti is turning out to be quite the wheeler-dealer, eh IJ? ;)

OK, I admit I wanted the Giants to sign Nomar. Now that the Dodgers signed the over-the-hill, always injured, no account bum I'm sure it was a baaad move. That's what I'll keep telling myself as I watch Feliz and Niekro struggle to justify their places in the lineup. ;)

Actually the signing I'm most disappointed with is the apparent signing soon of Jerrod Washburn with Seattle. He would have fit well in the Giants rotation and that's where they have the biggest hole. That and the lineup any day Barry's not playing.
 
Sayhey said:
Ned Colletti is turning out to be quite the wheeler-dealer, eh IJ? ;)
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No kidding. I'm pretty happy with the moves he's made so far.

Personally, I have a gut feeling that Colletti is building a team that can redeem the Dodger's reputation in the short run. Not world champion quality to be sure, but as strong contenders within a weak division.
 
IJ Reilly said:
No kidding. I'm pretty happy with the moves he's made so far.

Personally, I have a gut feeling that Colletti is building a team that can redeem the Dodger's reputation in the short run. Not world champion quality to be sure, but as strong contenders within a weak division.
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I like the fact that they haven't committed many years to Mueller and Nomar. Even if they totally go south, they aren't on the hook for a long time. At worst it's a repeat of the Fred McGriff experiment; at best, another Jeff Kent. And a few of their prospects need another year or two to get ready, so the timing could work out really well.

Makes me wonder what else is in store though. The infield is getting crowded. Does this mean a Choi trade is imminent? Maybe for pitching? It would not be surprising if Colletti wasn't as high on Choi as DePo was. Seems like someone has to go.
 
aloofman said:
Makes me wonder what else is in store though. The infield is getting crowded. Does this mean a Choi trade is imminent? Maybe for pitching? It would not be surprising if Colletti wasn't as high on Choi as DePo was. Seems like someone has to go.
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Tuesday is the non-tender date; I wouldn't be surprised if Choi was one of the casualties.
 
aloofman said:
I like the fact that they haven't committed many years to Mueller and Nomar. Even if they totally go south, they aren't on the hook for a long time. At worst it's a repeat of the Fred McGriff experiment; at best, another Jeff Kent. And a few of their prospects need another year or two to get ready, so the timing could work out really well.

Makes me wonder what else is in store though. The infield is getting crowded. Does this mean a Choi trade is imminent? Maybe for pitching? It would not be surprising if Colletti wasn't as high on Choi as DePo was. Seems like someone has to go.
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It could get crowded come mid-season, assuming Izturis comes back in good health and plays second. Then Garciaparra is a regular left fielder. Now we're looking at possibly two surplus players, Choi and Werth. It wouldn't break my heart to see Werth go -- he strikes out way too much and doesn't hit enough for power or average to make it up. Hey, maybe our Bay Area pals would be interested! Big guy, mean looking. Can hit a ton, but rarely does. How's that sound? ;)

Either way, I think Colletti is going to be running out of salary soon. By my count, he's up to $93 million, and I don't know where he gets a quality starter for less than $7 million.
 
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