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Peterkro said:
I'm not sure how well this is known outside Europe but both Wales and Scotland have their own parliaments and yes they're part of the(so called) Unitied Kingdom.This doesn't stop them being countries in their own right.

Yes, but in terms of international perspective that makes them autonomous regions (at best), not countries. Their parliaments still answer to London. I mean, are Bashkortistan, Tuva, Chechnya, etc. in the Russian Federation countries? Is the Basque region in Spain a country? Is Kurdistan in Iraq (or Turkey) a country?
 
Peterkro said:
I'm not sure how well this is known outside Europe but both Wales and Scotland have their own parliaments and yes they're part of the(so called) Unitied Kingdom.This doesn't stop them being countries in their own right.

They are not countries full stop.

As it stands, it's not even debatable.

Scotland is NOT a country.
 
miloblithe said:
Yes, but in terms of international perspective that makes them autonomous regions (at best), not countries. Their parliaments still answer to London. I mean, are Bashkortistan, Tuva, Chechnya, etc. in the Russian Federation countries? Is the Basque region in Spain a country? Is Kurdistan in Iraq (or Turkey) a country?
I kow this may be hard to get your head around but yes they are individual countries in Spains case add Catalonina and Galicia.A country has a long and verifiable history in most cases its own language it has historical borders.In the case of the Scots they have more in common with the Irish and French than they do with England.If Queen Elizabeth 11 is Queen of Scotland who was Queen Elizebeth the 1.Roll on the Scottish breakaway.
 
iGAV said:
They are not countries full stop.

As it stands, it's not even debatable.

Scotland is NOT a country.

Well, it is debatable because what we're talking about here (in this thread) is travel, not international affairs. By that token we're talking about _places_ more than we are talking about political entities. I mean, according to that definition, Greenland and Denmark are the same country, which is true, but it's very hard to argue they are the same place (in terms of a definable geographic entity).

You should also note that your second link proves Scotland is not a State, which is not the same thing as a country.
 
miloblithe said:
Yes, but in terms of international perspective that makes them autonomous regions (at best), not countries. Their parliaments still answer to London. I mean, are Bashkortistan, Tuva, Chechnya, etc. in the Russian Federation countries? Is the Basque region in Spain a country? Is Kurdistan in Iraq (or Turkey) a country?

So.......do you think Scotland and Wales are countries or not? Sort of a mixed reaction by you. I always thought they were their own countries, but I always thought they were a bit of an anomaly, sort of like Hong Kong. Not even the people at the bank know whether they're wiring my money to China or HK. My mum has a British birth certificate, but ask her if she was born a Brit, or if we're travelling to China in 2 weeks.

But when counting countries, I meant that I've been to 30+ countries, including Scotland as a separate country.
 
~30 years old...

japan, u.s., canada, mexico, the netherlands, switzerland, france, italy, the vatican, spain, england, ireland, liechtenstein, austria, germany, czech republic, slovakia, hungary, china, mongolia...

that's 20, i guess. several places i'd like to or plan on visiting in the near future: myanmar, australia...
 
Abstract said:
So.......do you think Scotland and Wales are countries or not? Sort of a mixed reaction by you.

Well, because we're talking about travel, I'd say yes, they are different countries. In the context of international politics, I'd say absolutely not. When my British citizenship comes through (about 6 months), I'll keep my mouth shut until I learn more about my new country(ies). :)
 
France
Belgium
Germany
Czech republic
Italy
Republic of Ireland
Monaco
Slovenia
Denmark
Netherlands
Iceland
USA
Japan
New Zealand
Australia
Cook Islands

(and Scotland and Wales...even though they're not countries)
 
miloblithe said:
I think you just volunteered. Offhand though, my not-surprising observation is lots of Europe and US, not so much South America and especially Africa.


okay, ive lived in:

s korea
paraguay
jamaica
mexico
usa

visited:

japan
argentina
brazil
chile
peru
canada

i think if i visited europe, i can boost the count considerably; you know with the tiny countries they have and easy travel
 
Well my list is rather sad... I've got to get out more, but the problem is I can't just get on a plane and fly to 6 or 7 different countires for under $200 like on the other side of the pond.

Places I've been
Canada (coast to coast, but missing the territories)
USofA (been to/through only a dozen states)
Japan
Bahamas
United Kindom (actually Scotland but I'm worred about iGav's blood pressure if I report otherwise :D )
Costa Rica -> well I'm headed there in the next two weeks... if my bloody passport gets here on time <crosses fingers>

My girlfriend is a travel agent... so hopefully my list will expand over the span of our relationship. :)

Oh BTW if you want a fairly clear indication of if a place is it's own country, ask yourself what a native of that area uses as a passport. That should help.
 
I currently live in Norway, as I always have. I've visited these countries;

Sweden
Denmark
Spain (four times)
Greece (three times)
France (two times)
Cuba
Portugal
Hungary
Belgium
England
The Czech Republic

7 of these countries within last year. As a professional musician I really hope to visit a lot of more countries in the future. Specially since Cuba is the only country I've been to outside Europe.
 
I am 35 years old, and I've lived in the US the entire time.

I've visited the following sites for work or vacation:

Brazil
Argentina
Chile
Mexico
Canada
Poland
Germany
UK
Belgium
Holland
France
 
i'm 19 and i've been to: in no picticular order

US (live here)
Australia
BELGIUM
Itaily
France
Canada
Israel
Egypt
HOLLAND -
UK (london)
SWITZERLAND
Bahamas
Netherlands
...i think thats it, not bad for a 19 yr. old. :cool:
 
Lived:

Saudi Arabia (Yanbu)
England (London)

Visited:

Scotland
Wales
France
Belgium
Turkey
USA
Canada
Zambia
Namibia
 
puckhead193 said:
i'm 19 and i've been to: in no picticular order

US (live here)
Australia
BELGIUM
Itaily
France
Canada
Israel
Egypt
HOLLAND -
UK (london)
SWITZERLAND
Bahamas
Netherlands
...i think thats it, not bad for a 19 yr. old. :cool:

Is there a significance to the capitalized locales?

BTW, Holland and the Netherlands are the same country.
 
Australia
New Zealand
U.S.A.
England
Holland
Belgium
France
Germany
Austria
Switzerland
Malta
Italy
South Africa
Luxembourg

Would love to go to China... 41, so there's plenty of time.
 
Hmm.. born and live in 1) England.
But also lived in 2) Wales.

Visited.. (not in any particular order)..
3) Scotland,
4) France
5) Belgium
6) Holland
7) Luxembourg
8) Austria
9) Switzerland
10) Spain
11) Greece
12) Italy
13) Cypress (Greek sector)
14) Germany
15) Hungary (first time in December 2004)
16) Andorra
17) Vatican City
18) San Marino
19) Monaco (I guess this counts if Wales does ;) )
20) USA (8 states: California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Texas and Wyoming)

So Europe and the USA then.

But my country list will explode shortly when I go on my around-the-world travels. I plan to be adding several more countries to the list such as Australia, New Zealand, India, Malaysia, Japan, China, Thailand, and more, not to mention new US states as I tour coast to coast and finally make it to New York City. So more to follow....

Oh yeah, and my age is 23.
 
Peterkro said:
I'm not sure how well this is known outside Europe but both Wales and Scotland have their own parliaments and yes they're part of the(so called) Unitied Kingdom.This doesn't stop them being countries in their own right.
Actually, Wales is a Principality ;)

But it still has to answer to London.
 
in a similar fashion, does quebec count as separate from canada? how about basque?

i personally think wales and scotland should be listed separately for a thread like this, but that's just my opinion.
 
miloblithe said:
Just because it will annoy gwuMACaddict, how many countries have you all been to? Just to lay the ground rules:

  • transit countries don't count (like if you were just in the airport or passed through on a train but didn't get off).
  • Countries that no longer exist can be counted twice as long as the change involves a border shift. You can count East Germany, West Germany and Germany; Russia and the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Slovenia, but not Zaire and the Democratic Republic of Congo. You also have to have been there when the country was in existence. You can't count East Germany if you've only been there since reunification.
  • Microstates do count, even the Vatican
  • Scotland, Wales, England, and Northern Ireland all count because they have World Cup teams, the Basques get no such nod.

Also include your age.

Too many to count on my fingers on both hands. :)

I will start out from the West:

Canada, BC (island, mainland), Alberta (Calgary, Edmonton), Ontario (Toronto, too many smaller cities to state), Quebec (Montreal, too many small french cities to remember), New Brunswick (too many small towns to state).

US, California (LA), Florida, NY (too many places to state), Massachusetts, Maine.

UK, All the major cities. :)

France, Paris.

Holland (Amsterdam) -- Netherlands.

Spain -- Monaco -- Italy -- Vatican -- Czech Republic -- Middle East (Dubai, UAE all those places) -- Pakistan (most of the east provinces and cities) --India (most of the major cities).

I am probably missing quite a few, though I have the currency with me, and I am not yet 30. Still a lot more places to visit. :)
 
Been to 20 countries.

United States of America (49 out of the 50 states)
United States of Mexico (most commonly referred to as 'Mexico')
Canada
England
France
Netherlands (aka Holland)
Monaco
Germany (at the time it was West Germany)
Iran
Bahrain
United Arab Emirates
Abu Dhabi
Thailand
Australia
Guam
Republic of the Phillipines
Hong Kong
South Korea
Japan
Okinawa

A lot of those were when I was in the Navy. I'm 47 years old.
 
I am 19 and live in the USA

USA
Canada
Mexico
Netherlands
Germany
Austria
Italy
Switzerland
France
England
Egypt

jon
 
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