Agreed. Finding a pointer is no big deal. You do it all the time, notch or not. Just start moving the mouse around.
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How the Mouse Pointer Deals with the Notch on the MacBook Pro
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Agreed. Finding a pointer is no big deal. You do it all the time, notch or not. Just start moving the mouse around.
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Just adding my 2 cents:
There doesn’t seem to be anything on MacBook Pro 16” 2021 to replace?
Or Apple Watch Series 7, for that matter.
I keep seeing people say this. I must be using my Macbook Pro wrong. In my case, this space is used most of the time.
I would expect it to work like this - treating the notch as a void that can't contain the pointer.
Apple might make the MacBook Pro 16” notch a little smaller in a few years, but it doesn’t really matter. It’s still a notch, unless they completely remove it. And even then, it doesn’t affect 16:10 in full screen.
Aside from maybe adding a USB 3.0 port, there isn’t anything else missing. Except TouchBar, if you wanted that. Possibly FaceID.
I don’t really think the MacBook Pro 16” 2021 is going to be deprecated anytime soon.
The iPad Pro M1 and iPhone 13 Pro seems similar, in that the machine itself is probably going to be the same.
But iPad and iPhone have accessories that keep changing.
So while the hardware is a must buy, there is this notion that the Apple Pencil, or Magic Keyboard, or Magsafe Wallet, or Magsafe charger, or Lightning ports are going to change.
I’m not sure how I should feel about that.
I think from a hardware perspective, CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD/Cameras, the M1 iPad Pro and iPhone 13 Pro are must buys.
Aside from maybe adding a USB 3.0 port, there isn’t anything else missing. Except TouchBar, if you wanted that. Possibly FaceID.
I don’t really think the MacBook Pro 16” 2021 is going to be deprecated anytime soon.
The iPad Pro M1 and iPhone 13 Pro seems similar, in that the machine itself is probably going to be the same.
But iPad and iPhone have accessories that keep changing.
So while the hardware is a must buy, there is this notion that the Apple Pencil, or Magic Keyboard, or Magsafe Wallet, or Magsafe charger, or Lightning ports are going to change.
I’m not sure how I should feel about that.
I think from a hardware perspective, CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD/Cameras, the M1 iPad Pro and iPhone 13 Pro are must buys.
If it is considered a “boundary of the screen” conceptually, then the mouse should stop and clamp m… no teleporting over the other side of the notch and no moving hidden behind.
Currently on any pre M1Pro Mac, moving the mouse on a “left most screen” towards the left, when the pointer hits the left edge, it will stop moving on the x axis and only slide on Y. I think in concept, even if annoying, should be the same.
Example 2: suppose a notched MacBook is under some big 5K or 6K screen, so a vertical stack, the desktops arrangement being bottom (mac) and top (monitor). If I want to go from the bottom Mac to the top screen through the middle, I believe the pointer should teleport from the Mac’s screen to the top screen as soon as it touches the notch section… because from what I understand, currently the pointer would travel under the black section, hidden, until it finally appears on the top screen.
Currently on any pre M1Pro Mac, moving the mouse on a “left most screen” towards the left, when the pointer hits the left edge, it will stop moving on the x axis and only slide on Y. I think in concept, even if annoying, should be the same.
Example 2: suppose a notched MacBook is under some big 5K or 6K screen, so a vertical stack, the desktops arrangement being bottom (mac) and top (monitor). If I want to go from the bottom Mac to the top screen through the middle, I believe the pointer should teleport from the Mac’s screen to the top screen as soon as it touches the notch section… because from what I understand, currently the pointer would travel under the black section, hidden, until it finally appears on the top screen.
I imagine screenshots will be handled just like on the iPhone. Won't show the notch...
More accurately, the touchbar never lived.
A lifeless display and UI, posed by the marketing department, merely to show emoji in ads for a couple months.
If they make the mouse see the notch then moving around the top of the screen and hitting it when you don't want to will be dumb design. If they keep it the way it works now and you don't know where your mouse is because its behind the notch, its dumb design. Someones going to come up with an app that has its menu hidden behind that notch, that's dumb UI. How about the give the user an option (gasp) to have the screen go down past the notch on a per app basis. That way the notch isn't a problem when your in the app you don't want the notch in. But that would be too easy a solution and opens up apple to screen burn in problems. I don't care, its the price they pay for not thinking things through and just having the users put up with whatever they do. Just make settings where the user can make their screen work any way they want.
No it wont, it doesn't show the notch on iphone screenshots so it will probably be the same on the mac as well.
It'll reveal the space behind it - just like a screengrab on the iPhones.
My question is what happens if an application has more dropdown menubar tabs than can fit between the Apple symbol and the notch...?
I have no issues with the notch.
I absolutely don't understand all the notch haters who outdo each other at finding ever more extreme ways to express their disdain for the notch. I mean, seriously, how much can you hate such a relatively insignificant detail
It still seems ludicrous to me that people are complaining about getting more screen real estate.
If you have the choice between no notch with less screen real estate and a notch that can either allow for more screen real estate or look the same as if it weren't there, then the latter has only advantages and no disadvantages. The notch is all upside, no downside.
Being aggrieved at the drop of a hat followed by over-the-top hating is the new normal. It gives some people a little burst of power that's otherwise lacking in their lives.
Really sad because the longer you keep these mega expensive devices the more awful the notch will be over time. They will definitely figure out a way to have thin bezels with no notch so it's going to definitely stick out for as long as you own it
This is the only way to have a good 1080p webcam without a thick ugly forehead bezel with wasted space. Best solution because of camera physics I'd imagine.
Apps never show their content in the notch / menu bar area. They just appear in the safe area below the notch. in normal windowed app view, the menu is in the notch area and the content is below. In full screen mode, the app’s content is in the safe area below the notch. The menu area is black. If you move the cursor to the menu area the menu appears. It’s a fairly elegant way to handle things. This even makes full screen mode better because it is easy to access the menus if you want to. I’ve seen a lot of users that triggered full screen mode before and then didn’t know how to get out and could not find a menu to let them do so. This is better.
There will never be menu items covered by the notch. The OS draws the menus, not apps. It knows where the notch is. If an app has many more menus than most, the OS will just skip that area and finish drawing the menu items on the other side. That will usually be seldom used menus like Window and Help, anyway.
The mouse pointer should just ignore the notch. It is an area that the point can move past or through but should not block the pointer or cause it to do weird jumping actions. It’s just a non-clickable area. If you have a second monitor above the MPB screen you don’t want to have to dodge around the notch. It’s just a blank part of the screen. You’re mouse is not going to get lost behind the notch in any significant way. If you have moved the pointer to that location, you know where it is. If you forget, we all just move the mouse around anyway and then you’ll see the pointer. It’s not a black hole.
I think we should all take a breath and move on. If you get a chance to play with one of these new MBPs, try it out and I think you’ll see that Apple actually has thought through how this works and knows how to make this something we can live with. If it is like the notch on the phone, most of us soon start ignoring it anyway.
Eventually they may figure out a way to have the camera behind the screen and won’t need the notch anymore, but that technology is not ready yet and i think this is a reasonable compromise for now to give more screen space and a better zoom camera.
No one should complain about the cursor being hidden behind the notch. Drag your cursor to the bottom corner on any Mac right now and it is hidden completely below the bottom bezel. Simply shake to expose it. Mac users have survived the dreaded hidden cursor in the bottom bezel for 2 decades. This too shall be fine.
well my words were a bit much but I mean mouse moves to :NOTCH: and just flows to the other side as if the notch was non existent.
that said the real wuedtion is how with so many menu bar listings would resolve when overloaded?
or when resizing the display how does the menu bar react for it shrink etc as SnazzyLabs stated in todays video upload. I don’t always agree with the Snazz but I cannot deny his experience and prowess with macOS despit his more recent interest in WindowsOS due to his main business.
I can't believe I am becoming a notch apologist. I looked at some PC laptops in the store tonight that have the bezels.
the arm macbooks have bonus space around the notch. so it's basically instead of a bezel. I no longer care and it won't affect my purchase
the arm macbooks have bonus space around the notch. so it's basically instead of a bezel. I no longer care and it won't affect my purchase
Tip-of-my-cap to such a well-reasoned and outstanding post! No juvenile theatrics needed. A breath of fresh air. Thank you!
So... they've included a notch on a Mac. Not enough to do it to our handheld devices... They've now taken a form over function approach to yet another part of Mac design.
Yay.
What's next?
Yay.
What's next?
Steve Jobs must be turning over in his grave. His successors take the most hated feature of the iPhone and meld it into their new uber expensive MacBook Pros! The notches are hideous, unnecessary and enough to keep me from buying this iteration. From my glitchy butterfly keyboard to these STUPID notches...I'm very disheartened. And I had my credit card all ready to purchase. If I weren't yoked to Logic X I'd probably jump ship and get a PC. Wake up Apple before you fall from the throne.