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How to See Which Mac Apps Will Stop Working After macOS Golden Gate

dlachausse said:
Windows 11 runs really well inside of UTM. It can even run x86 Windows apps on Apple Silicon. The only issue is performance intensive games, but that was always hit or miss with Crossover and Wine anyway. I have a Windows 11 handheld gaming PC and an Xbox, so I just use those for games.
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I decided to pull the trigger a few weeks ago and replaced my M1 MacBook Air with the new M5 MBA. I'm running a couple games via Steam in a Windows 11 VM under VMware Fusion. These are basically strategy games and not GPU intensive games, but they are relatively new releases and run buttery smooth. I literally can't tell the difference between this and playing them via Boot Camp on my 2019 iMac. Speaking of which... trying to run these in a Windows 10 VM on that same iMac? Chokes. Hard. Unusable. It is just SICK how an x86 game running in a Windows VM on the M5 ARM architecture is indistinguishable from running natively on an x86 rig. I can't wait to see what an M5 iMac brings to the table.
 
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Apple is disgusting. I bought my 2020 iMac new from Apple in 2023. Now, three years later, it's out-of-date and can't run the newest operating system. I'm still on Sequier 15.7.7 because I refuse to update to the garbage that is Tahoe. Golden Nuggets (or Gate, or whatever its called) seems to be a fixer update. They should allow us Intel folks, who bought their machines new from Apple less than three years ago, to get the fixer update. And those crappy radius window corner screw-ups should be fixed NOW, not in another update that Intel users can't get. I'll never waste 2K+ again on Apple.
 
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iLondoner said:
So this is where Apple forces me to buy a Windoze machine because I can't carry on using the Mac version of Garmin Basecamp.
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Not really... you can either use an older Mac for it or simply use the free emulator like UTM to run an Intel macOS.

However, Garmin has stopped maintaining the Garmin Basecamp app for both Mac and Windows for a few years now. You might want to research alternative applications.
 
Bjojade said:
If you're using ANY software that isn't updated to current standards, updating the OS is always a risk. The danger of using dead software is that any OS update could introduce new bugs. If the dev isn't there to fix it you can run into issue.
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Yes that’s likely correct. But I wish Apple would prioritize a support for those ‘old’ 32-bit or Rosetta-required applications rather than developing new useless things like liquid glass. Again fake ‘new thing that improves your productivity’, marketing and $ prevail over a real support for long time customers, which of course would cost some software resources at Apple and cost soooo much $. Bad policy bad calculation.
 
ThomasJL said:
macOS 27 will drop support for Intel Macs, but that is not a logical excuse to drop support for Rosetta 2. That's because Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard dropped support for PowerPC Macs, but it still had Rosetta 1. If Apple were following the historical precedent set by Steve Jobs, the first OS that drops support for the previous CPU architecture should have Rosetta, and should also be the final OS to have Rosetta.
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Yes, that is literally what is happening: macOS 27 will NOT drop support for Rosetta 2. That will happen with macOS 28.
 
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The_Auryn said:
Apple is disgusting. I bought my 2020 iMac new from Apple in 2023. Now, three years later, it's out-of-date and can't run the newest operating system. I'm still on Sequier 15.7.7 because I refuse to update to the garbage that is Tahoe. Golden Nuggets (or Gate, or whatever its called) seems to be a fixer update. They should allow us Intel folks, who bought their machines new from Apple less than three years ago, to get the fixer update. And those crappy radius window corner screw-ups should be fixed NOW, not in another update that Intel users can't get. I'll never waste 2K+ again on Apple.
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Well enjoy windows and their DLLs that haven't been touched in 20 years, Confusing as hell mix of Settings app and the *classic* Control Panel, advertising in the OS, No promise of any hardware or software support in any way. Bits of your machine not working with an update you didn't install. And spending 10% of your time making sure it's all running ok.

Or Linux and all it's lack of software ( sadly )

I'd like to see you get 4 years promised Feature updates from any PC supplier. It's not like the Mac is not going to carry on working for another 10 years.

I have a Mac Pro 2019 ( bought 2020 ) and cost me about £14K all in, still works perfectly ( I even have AppleCare monthly still on it ) and will keep that running as long as Cinema 4D still works on it even it means freezing the OS and Apps and keep it for a a backup.

Oh - The final Intel-based iMac was officially stopped on sale and discontinued on 8th March 2022, not 2023.
 
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Here’s a solution: Don’t Update

I stopped updating my osX because my MYOB accounting software was not going to work with the new osX. That was 18 months ago and my life didn’t end. 😇🤷‍♂️
 
ThomasJL said:
That is yet another example of how Tim Cook is clueless and mediocre. macOS 27 will drop support for Intel Macs, but that is not a logical excuse to drop support for Rosetta 2. That's because Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard dropped support for PowerPC Macs, but it still had Rosetta 1. If Apple were following the historical precedent set by Steve Jobs, the first OS that drops support for the previous CPU architecture should have Rosetta, and should also be the final OS to have Rosetta.

Is that so hard for Cook to understand? Either he is incompetent, or he is intentionally not including Rosetta in macOS 27 in order to cut costs on programmers in order to maximize profits. Or both.
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Oh dear someone wasn't paying attention. When you have calmed down..

Rosetta 2 support for general applications will end with the release of macOS 28 in late 2027
 
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rbbloom99 said:
Here’s a solution: Don’t Update

I stopped updating my osX because my MYOB accounting software was not going to work with the new osX. That was 18 months ago and my life didn’t end. 😇🤷‍♂️
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Exactly. I have an OS frozen 10 year old laptop. Still runs 90% of software I need, including latest Adobe and Cinema 4d (though I suspect next versions will not work fully)
 
ThomasJL said:
Apple were following the historical precedent set by Steve Jobs
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Then Intel support would have been dropped with Monterrey and last Rosetta release in Sequoia.

That the Macrumors Whining Choir will be singing for every such post but this should be no surprise. Truth is that only a subset of a tiny subset will really be affected, and in many cases it is because they refuse to seek out alternatives.

Also is Windows better? They have changed their driver model, even with the underlining CPU architecture remaining the same. They also had the 64 bit transition. Lots of other software components have changed throughout releases, causing apps and printer drivers not to work (even better are manufacturers who hardcode supported versions, so it refuses even when it should work).

Emulation will still be a thing, also Rosetta 2 is not going entirely away, but Apple states it is for old Mac games only, but what that will entail in practice, we have to find out next year.
 
DavidarkX1Z said:
I found nothing under Settings > General > About > "Intel-Based apps"

Instead: Settings > General > About > System Report > Software > Rosetta Software
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That description in the article is for macOS 27 Golden Gate.

Anyway, the Rosetta Software tab just shows you the Intel applications you opened in the last year. But there are probably other Intel apps that you don't use often. To show EVERY Intel app, you go to System Report > Software > Application and look in the "Type" column, where it says only "Intel".

If you like using a dedicated app, there's "Silicon", from the people that make iMazing. You can download it for free from their site. It shows you the path and let you reach the app by double clicking on it's icon.
 
Squidiey said:
Linux*

Microslop is as bad as Apple dude
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You keep banging on about Linux. But SOOOO much software doesn't run on it.

Adobe
Cinema 4D
Coreldraw
SketchUp
Rhino 3d
Lumion
Capture One
Vectorworks
Logic Pro
Ableton Live & FL Studio
3D Studio ( windoze only - but I can run that in bootcamp currently )
Avid Media Composer & Pro Tools
Autodesk Revit
Solidworks
Affinity Suite
Microsoft Office
Procreate
Camtasia
Native Instruments Kontakt / Maschine
Vegas Pro
Garmin
Scrivener
All the Apple suite FCP / Motion / Pages etc
Epic Games Launcher
Most games ( Issue on Mac too )
QuickBooks Desktop
Quicken
Sage
Omniplan / OmniGraffle
Visio
Access
Project

I'd actually ask what do you do on Linux? It's just not possible in actually industry use for the most part.

It's almost impossible to ONLY use it... even the stuff that has perfectly good Linux alternative to above.
Blender, Maya, DaVinci resolve, Krita, Gimp(!), Reaper, LibreOffice etc they all fall over when you have to edit something a client gives you that just doesn't exist on Linux. A PSD or After effects file for example.

Even Maya which was always the Linux king in VFX studios is now just run on windows in a lot of studios.
 
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iLondoner said:
So this is where Apple forces me to buy a Windoze machine because I can't carry on using the Mac version of Garmin Basecamp.
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A user on the Garmin forum posted the reply they received directly from Garmin:
Mac OS27 isn't due to be released until September. Garmin is working on a new version of Garmin Express at this time, and it should be released, once the OS 27 is released.
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Apple Silicon Support - Garmin Express Mac - Mac/Windows Software - Garmin Forums

Garmin, please update Garmin Express and release a NATIVE arm64 release for macOS. Apple hasn't sold an Intel Mac in *years* and it's beyond embarrassing that
forums.garmin.com forums.garmin.com
 
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One of the big Intel apps is Google Earth Pro. It feels like abandonware at this point.

A lot of apps are ARM64 but have bits of Intel code, especially if they rely on some third party modules. I had a video conversion app that fell into that category.

Quite a lot of old Safari plug-ins, too, some of which I paid for back in the day. All basically abandoned at this point
 
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