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How to See Which Mac Apps Will Stop Working After macOS Golden Gate

Onelifenofear said:
You keep banging on about Linux. But SOOOO much software doesn't run on it.

Adobe
Cinema 4D
Coreldraw
SketchUp
Rhino 3d
Lumion
Capture One
Vectorworks
Logic Pro
Ableton Live & FL Studio
3D Studio ( windoze only - but I can run that in bootcamp currently )
Avid Media Composer & Pro Tools
Autodesk Revit
Solidworks
Affinity Suite
Microsoft Office
Procreate
Camtasia
Native Instruments Kontakt / Maschine
Vegas Pro
Garmin
Scrivener
All the Apple suite FCP / Motion / Pages etc
Epic Games Launcher
Most games ( Issue on Mac too )
QuickBooks Desktop
Quicken
Sage
Omniplan / OmniGraffle
Visio
Access
Project

I'd actually ask what do you do on Linux? It's just not possible in actually industry use for the most part.

It's almost impossible to ONLY use it... even the stuff that has perfectly good Linux alternative to above.
Blender, Maya, DaVinci resolve, Krita, Gimp(!), Reaper, LibreOffice etc they all fall over when you have to edit something a client gives you that just doesn't exist on Linux. A PSD or After effects file for example.

Even Maya which was always the Linux king in VFX studios is now just run on windows in a lot of studios.
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I use non of these apps except games (99% of my Windows games run better on Linux thanks to Proton)
 
Onelifenofear said:
Well enjoy windows and their DLLs that haven't been touched in 20 years, Confusing as hell mix of Settings app and the *classic* Control Panel, advertising in the OS, No promise of any hardware or software support in any way. Bits of your machine not working with an update you didn't install. And spending 10% of your time making sure it's all running ok.

Or Linux and all it's lack of software ( sadly )

I'd like to see you get 4 years promised Feature updates from any PC supplier. It's not like the Mac is not going to carry on working for another 10 years.

I have a Mac Pro 2019 ( bought 2020 ) and cost me about £14K all in, still works perfectly ( I even have AppleCare monthly still on it ) and will keep that running as long as Cinema 4D still works on it even it means freezing the OS and Apps and keep it for a a backup.

Oh - The final Intel-based iMac was officially stopped on sale and discontinued on 8th March 2022, not 2023.
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Linux software support is improving everyday

Thanks Steam (Deck), WINE and Proton
 
Turn the page into 'pirate speech'? Am I the only one who can't take this seriously?

'Avast there me hearties, here's today's news for ee'.
 
Bjojade said:
You can carry on without updating the OS for quite some time, or you can keep an older mac around to run software that hasn't had an update in over a half a decade.
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Yeah, sure. Using a Mac without security fixes or buying a second one.

Switching to Windows and keep that system for ten years seems to be the better and cheaper solution.
 
Shirasaki said:
Last time when Apple phased out 32-bit application support, Mojave didn’t support 32-bit application as well compared to High Sierra. This time, I’m not sure how it will go. Will Rosetta 2 start being gutted in Golden Gate like last time or people should just stick to Tahoe for full Intel app support with Apple silicon Mac?
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As noted in the screenshot Rosetta is being discontinued in macOS 28. We have no idea what that version will be called, but all apps will still run fine in Golden Gate (macOS 27) it will now just prompt you to click install for Rosetta one time, vs being pre-installed like years past. But yes, come version 28, if you still have an app you use and need that hasn't been updated you would of course have to hold of upgrading macOS until that dev updates. But if they haven't updated by then they probably never are, and then eventually you'll have to forgo that app when you someday upgrade your hardware.
 
I love my Intel MacBook Pro. It does everything I want it to do, is in great shape with hardly a scratch, and is one of the best machines I've ever owned. Sequoia works fine for me and I have no interest in updating to Tahoe. I also have no interest in replacing a perfectly good Mac and spending another $2500 to do it (and BTW, Apple wants to offer me a measly $200 trade in on my maxed-out spec MacBook Pro).

This really sucks and puts myself and so many others in an awkward spot. It seems forced by bean counters rather than actual technical challenges...
 
jjudson said:
I love my Intel MacBook Pro. It does everything I want it to do, is in great shape with hardly a scratch, and is one of the best machines I've ever owned. Sequoia works fine for me and I have no interest in updating to Tahoe. I also have no interest in replacing a perfectly good Mac and spending another $2500 to do it (and BTW, Apple wants to offer me a measly $200 trade in on my maxed-out spec MacBook Pro).

This really sucks and puts myself and so many others in an awkward spot. It seems forced by bean counters rather than actual technical challenges...
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Why does it put you in an awkward spot? it seems like you're running just fine and will continue to do so.
 
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jjudson said:
I love my Intel MacBook Pro. It does everything I want it to do, is in great shape with hardly a scratch, and is one of the best machines I've ever owned. Sequoia works fine for me and I have no interest in updating to Tahoe. I also have no interest in replacing a perfectly good Mac and spending another $2500 to do it (and BTW, Apple wants to offer me a measly $200 trade in on my maxed-out spec MacBook Pro).

This really sucks and puts myself and so many others in an awkward spot. It seems forced by bean counters rather than actual technical challenges...
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No one is forcing you to do anything. Why is it always one of parallels here? There was a transition to yet another architecture for the good of the users and platform as a whole. The end of support for Intel was expected.
 
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Shirasaki said:
Last time when Apple phased out 32-bit application support, Mojave didn’t support 32-bit application as well compared to High Sierra. This time, I’m not sure how it will go. Will Rosetta 2 start being gutted in Golden Gate like last time or people should just stick to Tahoe for full Intel app support with Apple silicon Mac?
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I have a 2013 Mac Pro that has stayed on Sierra just for 32-bit support.

Not sure yet if I will need another Mac just for Rosetta support, or if the Intel based Mac Pro could manage both purposes.
 
SpotOnT said:
I have a 2013 Mac Pro that has stayed on Sierra just for 32-bit support.

Not sure yet if I will need another Mac just for Rosetta support, or if the Intel based Mac Pro could manage both purposes.
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I have the same for old Mac games that I like. Maxed out for the time, so I can play those games.
 
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Squidiey said:
Linux will eat both for breakfast
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Linux is a nightmare of problems. Spoken as someone who has been insalling, managing, and developing for linux for 100 people since the mid 90s. My personal workstation has been a mac since maybe 2010. God it's a dream in comparison.
 
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tjminter said:
Hopefully Brother will update their printer software for MacOS 27
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I have an HP Tango and it connects to macOS without any special drivers. Probably a stupid question, but have you tried just adding through the Settings menu and Printers & Scanners?
 
SpotOnT said:
I have a 2013 Mac Pro that has stayed on Sierra just for 32-bit support.

Not sure yet if I will need another Mac just for Rosetta support, or if the Intel based Mac Pro could manage both purposes.
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I've got a partition on my iMac whose only purpose is to run Aperture for my photography hobby. It's not really a big deal.
 
jayducharme said:
Is there a technical reason Apple has to do this? Everything is already 64-bit. I could see it would be a problem if future OS versions were 128-bit. But current apps are working just fine. Why not just keep Rosetta as a feature of MacOS?
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Could they also not just keep it in the App Store as a separate download, free or not?
 
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bpb said:
Linux is a nightmare of problems. Spoken as someone who has been insalling, managing, and developing for linux for 100 people since the mid 90s. My personal workstation has been a mac since maybe 2010. God it's a dream in comparison.
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The problem with Linux is it's always "almost there." People say that every year, and every year it seems like only the GUI and a few backend systems change. I have a CachyOS system I use for a couple games, and thankfully, it's maintenance free, but I can't say the same for some of the other distros I've used. I mostly use my Mac, and like you said, it's a dream.
 
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Codeweavers have already announced Crossover 27 will be Apple Silicon only, and both Mac and Linux versions will include ARM64 support.

"Having an ARM64 version of CrossOver has been a huge development priority for our team for many years. ARM64 continues to be a very compelling platform in the Linux ecosystem, and we fully expect that trend to continue. And of course, Apple silicon uses ARM architecture, so CrossOver Mac has been targeting ARM64 ever since the first M1 chips were released in 2020. Currently, CrossOver requires the use of Rosetta 2 to translate x86_64 instructions to ARM64. Rosetta 2 will be largely discontinued with macOS 28 in 2027, and our ARM64 CrossOver build will run without Rosetta 2, allowing for a seamless transition for our users."

They've only sorted this out eighteen months before they had to…
 
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kanselmo said:
I have a great name for it. Windows
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That's funny given the flap over Windows 11 dropping support for any processor before the 8xxx series which came out in 2018. I don't know how you missed all that screaming. If you were being facetious you forgot the /s tag.

The version of Debian Linux before the current one is the last main distribution with 32 bit support. The old hardware is now firmly in the "retro computing" category.
 
im_to_hyper said:
Is this one of the Santa Rosa models? Those could run OpenCL 1.0 I believe…

Dang. That’s old but also dang that’s cool.

If it’s 64-bit, CachyOS will run and when the AUR isn’t a firestorm, the nVidia 340 drivers, OpenGL, OpenCL, etc install and bloop you’ve got a MATE desktop, add Planck for a dock, move your menus and BAM classic ‘nix look.
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No, it’s actually the first generation Intel Mac

Intel: Yonah
Generation: Early 2006 MacBook Pro
Model Number: A1150
Screen Size: 15-inch
CPU: Intel Core Duo
Model Identifier: MacBookPro1,1

The irony is that I’m planning on a new laptop later this year and I’m considering the Intel Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 9 with a dual-drive WinX86/Linux config.
 
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iLondoner said:
So this is where Apple forces me to buy a Windoze machine because I can't carry on using the Mac version of Garmin Basecamp.
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Garmin is forcing you. It's always on the developer to keep up to date with the platform you are using. I've been developing since the 90s and it's always been this way.

It's not possible to keep support for tons of legacy systems and intel had a good long run and devs have had years to update to M series chips.
 
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