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Well, if I were them, I wouldn't take a close shot of the spot where the screen attaches with the body. It's really ugly. Other than that, though, it looks great. And it also has ports !

Ports? Who needs ports? One is plenty.
 
Those moaning about ports clearly miss the point of the MacBook with its single USB-C port. The vision is for a wireless future, Apple aren't going to go back on that goal. It would be like them adding a CD/DVD drive to the original MacBook Air just because consumers were tied to legacy technology that Apple could see disappearing in a few years.
Except so much of our media is recorded from non-wireless/cloud sources. How am I supposed to get pics and vids off my many Nikon DSLRs Sony Camcorders and other devices? Those WiFi SD cards have very low capacity, slow write speeds and prices more akin to the first generation of SSD's per Gb.....
 
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The problem isn't the hardware. From a hardware perspective, this is an amazing machine with nice attention to detail. And yeah, it appears to "beat" Apple. Having said that, the hardware specs and form become rather irrelevant when the interface that users actually compute on is stuck with Windows 10. At this point in the game, the hardware on these machines is just marketing, what truly matters is software... and your either a Mac person or a Windows person (or one of those funky linux guys ;) )
 
Except so much of our media is recorded from non-wireless/cloud sources. How am I supposed to get pics and vids off my many Nikon DSLRs Sony Camcorders and other devices? Those WiFi SD cards have very low capacity, slow write speeds and prices more akin to the first generation of SSD's per Gb.....

Typical Apple customer does not have DSLR. They have iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook, iMac and AirPort Extreme. See? No wires ;) Did not you read that smartphone cameras now are almost as good as DSLRs (for Instagram anyways).
 
There is literally no way that you are not trolling or do not live in a parallel dimension. You have exactly described, in reverse, using a windows machine and a Mac. I have a ten year old mac pro that runs like it's brand new, and I have a 2 Year old XEON workstation that crawls, crashes, and generally misbehaves.
Still as slow now as it was then?
 
Windows 10 isn't bad

I use it for work everyday and I agree, not bad at all. One big complaint I have is that there's two different menus for the same settings: the older control panel and the new "Settings." Makes no sense.
 
YUCK. A Touch screen on a laptop is a horrid design idea. Being forced to lift your hand(s) to interact with a screen that is poorly positioned to allow that interaction to happen is just out and out awkward and horrid. And with a light device there is always the risk of sending it tipping backwards.

You would never be forced. It's an option, and one I'd prefer for sure.
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Thin = Innovation?

I have a sheet of paper, I'm the most innovative person ever!
But when apple makes something thin, then they are innovative??
 
I love Macs but Tube is exactly right in this, there is nothing that came from a MacBook in this design, this is inventive.
Maybe "inventive" is taking exaggeration too far. Iterative, inevitable, obvious, yeah... but "inventive"? What have they "invented"... does it run on fuel cells and have a bulletproof holographic display and have holographic light speed storage as an evolution over SSD? Does it implement ARM CPUs under a realtime x86 hardware translation layer? I was under the impression it still has a fan - can't be THAT huge an "invention". Oh, and why doesn't it have maglev instead of hinges, or why can't it jump on a Boosted Board, fly off to Tesco and fetch my shopping for me?

Yeah, it's just iterative and inevitable. There's only so many ways to skin a cat, as they say. Nothing is new, under the sun.

Word to HP managers: People only care about seeing a logo on your products when that logo is instinctively and subconsciously recognised and acknowledged as a symbol of good taste, ubiquity and a known symbol of "cool" - an unspoken language that people instantly associate with the most successful, iconic technology company of the last 40+ years... and, sorry to say, it's not HP, so you may like to save looking pretentious, and remove it for the sake of not looking daft. I don't care how sleek and angled the typeface is - in fact, if anything, your logo triggers the EXACT OPPOSITE instinctive reaction to that observed when people see the bitten Apple... save face, just scrub it off completely, it's a detractor.

Oh, and "Spectre"? Doesn't that mean a ghost? What's that got to do with a computer? Hey, "MacBook" = Mac notebook - a logical, lateral follow through. Don't be awkwardly naming your trend-following, landfill fodder, it will just make it easier to throw away with contempt when it melts or reaches end of support life in about 14 months... or gets rejected by HP's "support"... or when it is 3 years old and the user realises the resale value is about ⅛ of what they paid.
 
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I use it for work everyday and I agree, not bad at all. One big complaint I have is that there's two different menus for the same settings: the older control panel and the new "Settings." Makes no sense.
Unfortunately a lot of Windows users don't like change so they've had to keep the two, eventually they'll probably do away with the control panel, I suppose at least Microsoft listens to their customers
 
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Love how they've hand-crafted every solder joint in that "artisinal", home baked way.
 
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The design is pretty interesting. By putting the ports at the back in a thicker area used for the hinge and cooling system they have overcome one of the limiting factors to thinness...the port size.
Apples current designs haven't been able to overcome that design problem yet.

And getting an i7 is impressive compared to what the MacBook can muster.
 
Maybe "inventive" is taking exaggeration too far. Iterative, inevitable, obvious, yeah... but "inventive"? What have they "invented"... does it run on fuel cells and have a bulletproof holographic display and have holographic light speed storage as an evolution over SSD? Does it implement ARM CPUs under a realtime x86 hardware translation layer? I was under the impression it still has a fan - can't be THAT huge an "invention". Oh, and why doesn't it have maglev instead of hinges, or why can't it jump on a Boosted Board, fly off to Tesco and fetch my shopping for me?

Yeah, it's just iterative and inevitable. There's only so many ways to skin a cat, as they say. Nothing is new, under the sun.

Word to HP managers: People only care about seeing a logo on your products when that logo is instinctively and subconsciously recognised and acknowledged as a symbol of good taste, ubiquity and a known symbol of "cool" - an unspoken language that people instantly associate with the most successful, iconic technology company of the last 40+ years... and, sorry to say, it's not HP, so you may like to save looking pretentious, and remove it for the sake of not looking daft. I don't care how sleek and angled the typeface is - in fact, if anything, your logo triggers the EXACT OPPOSITE instinctive reaction to that observed when people see the bitten Apple... save face, just scrub it off completely, it's a detractor.

Oh, and "Spectre"? Doesn't that mean a ghost? What's that got to do with a computer? Hey, "MacBook" = Mac notebook - a logical, lateral follow through. Don't be awkwardly naming your trend-following, landfill fodder, it will just make it easier to throw away with contempt when it melts or reaches end of support life in about 14 months... or gets rejected by HP's "support"... or when it is 3 years old and the user realises the resale value is about ⅛ of what they paid.

I can agree with that.
 
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I'd NEVER go back to a non touchscreen laptop, they are just so incredibly useful. It provides for no abstraction, like a mouse or trackpad would have. Speaking of, I'd rather chop my hand off than use a trackpad, what a horrible freakin invention. I can understand if you use your laptop 3 feet away from yourself, then you still have the trackpad to fall back onto. But if the laptop is fairly close to you, as laptops usually are, then the touchscreen is much more intuitive than the trackpad, especially with things like scrolling, pinching, zooming, etc. If the laptop is on your lap, then that intuitiveness becomes even stronger. I don't get the difference in lifting your hand to use the trackpad, versus lifting it to use a touchscreen, seems like splitting hairs, unless you have a very heavy hand or are very weak, or maybe have an iron hook or maybe a bionic hand which is very heavy.

My wife had the same sentiments, I couldn't make her get rid of her crappy old 2011 MacBook air. She said she would hate touch screens and would never use it. I got her a Dell 13" with a touchscreen and she thanks me every day for showing her another method of interaction. For the life of me I never understood why some fight so hard against having more features, more choice.

Plus I gotta say, you should stop punching your laptops. I've never had one tip backwards with a touch.


Well I can spend a whole day doing CAD/CAM work, designing Electronics circuits + the PCB.

So, here is a test for you, hold you arm out in front of you and see if you can make 5 minutes, let alone 8 hours like that.
Never mind the fact that the hand/arm are now obscuring parts of the screen, which when you are looking at how to route tracks becomes a bloody nuisance. And the average human arm weights about 8 pounds.

I have an iPad, I know about touch interfaces and how inaccurate they are, and yes I prefer to do something on my iPad because touch is more intuitive, but not when that screen is at 90° to the keyboard, lying flat(ish) is OK.

I have had my partners 11" MB Air tip when its been on my lapland someone has "pointed" to something and touched the screen.
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You would never be forced. It's an option, and one I'd prefer for sure.
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But when apple makes something thin, then they are innovative??


No they frustrate because I for one would like better battery life .
 
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No. No. Just... just no.

I mean, I actually like HP, and for a while, I considered them to be the best in design with Windows PCs.

But this? WHY?

At this point, my Windows OEM of choice is Razar. While it's a little on par with Apple on the expensive side, they actually do a good job in making a good Windows laptop. I don't care that it has a second screen on the keyboard portion of the machine; it's still a pretty neat-looking laptop and it's something that I would very well use if I had to permanently switch to Windows from OS X.

I know I'm the only one here who thinks that it's not a hideous-looking thing, but I do like it.
 
The design is pretty interesting. By putting the ports at the back in a thicker area used for the hinge and cooling system they have overcome one of the limiting factors to thinness...the port size.
Apples current designs haven't been able to overcome that design problem yet.

And getting an i7 is impressive compared to what the MacBook can muster.
I believe the reason ports on laptops are on the side rather than the back is that Apple prefer its users not have to reach to the back or turn the laptop around to plug a cable in.
 
If you can't give it a two second glance and see multiple things, you're hopeless, so I'm not going to argue about it. That's all.
I now see where you are coming from.

Both the Spectre 13 and the MacBook each have a keyboard and they do indeed both also each have a screen.

Damn HP for copying Apple.
 
Bring on the MacBook Pro's Apple! Show em what you got!

HP is like that awkward kid trying so hard to be cool so he can join the cool club. No matter how hard he tries, we all know he will never be let in the cool club.

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- you do realise HP had Beats before Apple did?
 
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