HP Claims Innovation Over Apple With 'World's Thinnest Laptop'

[lowkey]

Erm... they are. Unless you'd like to go back to DOS?

I honestly cannot think of a way in which the rationale in this thread can go any lower than it already has. I am awed at the lack of comprehension.

Never mind, never mind.

Have you experienced using Revit on a Macbook? Now thats an experience...

 

[btrach144]

Same thing with Apple's MacBook Pro. The dGPU can fail at any moment's notice.

True but HP and Dell pick the lowest end parts from the cheapest companies that you've never heard of.

All hardware can fail but some more than others.

 

[dj23andMe]

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My thoughts exactly.

Windows -- Give me a bash$
http://arstechnica.com/information-...ft-needed-to-make-windows-run-linux-software/

 

[uid15]

Have you experienced using Revit on a Macbook? Now thats an experience...

Have you tried marmite, M&Ms and pineapple on a chilli bagel?
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Windows -- Give me a bash$
http://arstechnica.com/information-...ft-needed-to-make-windows-run-linux-software/

Talk about clutching at straws, poor old MS. Give up already.

 

[lowkey]

Have you tried marmite, M&Ms and pineapple on a chilli bagel?

Marmite? No way mate. Vegemite all the way.

The point is that specs have an impact on the computing experience.

An i7 is going to give a better experience using Revit or Cubase than a Core M.

Cubase on OSX on a Core M chip is not as good an experience as Cubase on Windows on an i7.

But...Cubase on OSX on an i7 is better than Cubase on a Core M on ANY OS.

But hey, I guess it's all about "fuel"

 

[ThaRuler]

This is a MacBook killer

 

[tubeexperience]

True but HP and Dell pick the lowest end parts from the cheapest companies that you've never heard of.

All hardware can fail but some more than others.

How come every single week, there are always people complaining about their MBP dGPU failing, esp. on the 2011 model?

What do you call that? Surely it isn't reliability.

 

[952863]

Marketing Team: "Can we call it 'Spectre' so grown men think they are James Bond"?

This laptop is kind of ugly. And maybe the 'Spectre' name was to get Mass Effect fans to purchase this?

Hingeless? I still see hinge. In fact, it's one of the worst laptop hinges I've ever seen.

But what about Surface Book's hinge? It looks like the belts on a tank. lol

 

[8692574]

I have a three-year old laptop running Windows 10 that has so many issues that I'm about to throw in the trash and buy myself a Macbook, which I should've done three years ago, which I'm sure would be running perfectly today. This isn't as much about fanboy exaggeration as it is about Windows users in denial.

I am just glad I am able to use all 3 OS without problems , when I can I pick Mac OS as I think is the best one, but not being a fanboy I do not need to bash the others, when a computer does not work as intended, I always say that the problem lies between the monitor and the chair, and no it is not the mouse /keyboard

It is fanboysm when you compare a 10 year old Mac to a 2 year old Windows workstation and say that the Mac is faster /better.
There's nothing wrong with liking Macs, and you should have gotten a Mac instead of a pc .....because your preference is Mac OS , and you were well aware of it since you already had a Mac (even if an old one).

Let me repeat myself, we are not in the 90s anymore, the gap between Mac OS and Windows is a lot narrower now, they both have ups and downs, but it mostly comes down to preference.

 

[flottenheimer]

Glad to see PC manufactures stepping up their game.

When HP succeeds at putting a Core-i into a machine this small it puts pressure on Apple to deliver more CPU performance in its thinnest laptops. When Microsoft succeeds in implementing dedicated graphics (in its 13" MacBook Pro-ish Surface Book) and Razer innovates with external graphics for laptops it puts pressure on Apple to offer us more gfx power than Intel's integrated solutions - rather than giving up on delivering great graphics performance on nearly all Apple laptops (save one single model).

Designwise (external looks) Apple still reigns supreme, imho, though.

Can't help thinking that an external Apple GPU solution - like the Razer Blade Stealth / Razer Core - would solve the Apple GPU crisis for professionals (3D, graphics, video, design) preferring Apple laptops. And deliver on the promise of the latest Thunderbolt technology. I know I would love it.

Razer Blade Stealth + Razer Core (external GPU) - Best of CES 2016 Winner.
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Meanwhile, my MacBook Pro from 2012 is slowing down to a crawl, ridden with bugs and I wish to hurl it through a window. So frustrating.

If it is not Retina:
[1] Install a Samsung SSD.
[2] Do a clean OS X install.

Et voilà, you are flying.

If it is Retina do step [2].

 

[rudychidiac]

I'd like a bus that can drive me to Jupiter, but it's impractical and unlikely for so many reasons.

Hahaha... No really most designer dislike the Wacom Cintiq because it's running windows...

 

[Ghost31]

I was expecting so much more than...that. The 12 inch MacBook is as thin as you could possibly ever want. It's freaking tablet thin. It's ridiculous. So to try to one up them by having a marginally thinner laptop while also making it uglier? Uhhhhh...Hp. You're doing it wrong! Make it *decently* thin, give it a killer design and increase usability. Give us a trackpad as good as apple's. Give us twice the battery life or fast charging. SOMETHING. Don't be the Samsung of the laptop world where you try to hard to be like them but always come up short, like you're always living in apple's shadow

 

[JaySoul]

Then get a MacBook 13' retina, OR MacBook 2015. That's a fairer comparison, and OS X is still a much more polished product than Windows 10.

I don't think you even read my post properly.

I was comparing my 7 year old work PC with the

Glad to see PC manufactures stepping up their game.

When HP succeeds at putting a Core-i into a machine this small it puts pressure on Apple to deliver more CPU performance in its thinnest laptops. When Microsoft succeeds in implementing dedicated graphics (in its 13" MacBook Pro-ish Surface Book) and Razer innovates with external graphics for laptops it puts pressure on Apple to offer us more gfx power than Intel's integrated solutions - rather than giving up on delivering great graphics performance on nearly all Apple laptops (save one single model).

Designwise (external looks) Apple still reigns supreme, imho, though.

Can't help thinking that an external Apple GPU solution - like the Razer Blade Stealth / Razer Core - would solve the Apple GPU crisis for professionals (3D, graphics, video, design) preferring Apple laptops. And deliver on the promise of the latest Thunderbolt technology. I know I would love it.

Razer Blade Stealth + Razer Core (external GPU) - Best of CES 2016 Winner.
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If it is not Retina:
[1] Install a Samsung SSD.
[2] Do a clean OS X install.

Et voilà, you are flying.

If it is Retina do step [2].

Someone else suggested that, I think I will! Thanks, going to look for an SSD right now.

 

[Tech198]

I was expecting so much more than...that. The 12 inch MacBook is as thin as you could possibly ever want. It's freaking tablet thin. It's ridiculous. So to try to one up them by having a marginally thinner laptop while also making it uglier? Uhhhhh...Hp. You're doing it wrong! Make it *decently* thin, give it a killer design and increase usability. Give us a trackpad as good as apple's. Give us twice the battery life or fast charging. SOMETHING. Don't be the Samsung of the laptop world where you try to hard to be like them but always come up short, like you're always living in apple's shadow

And that's the problem with all companies *but* Apple... they can't do it.... And i wish they would, but price will not be the same if they did do this.... You get what u pay for...

I would still pay double the price for a better track-pad and double the battery Apple has. but 10 hour batter life on a Retina is just about perfect for me.

 

[flottenheimer]

Someone else suggested that, I think I will! Thanks, going to look for an SSD right now.

Great decision!

I got the Samsung 840 Pro 512GB — it runs super-fast in my 2012 15" MacBook Pro!
Installation was very, very easy.
Samsung has since replaced the 840 Pro with the 860 Pro. The Samsung Evo line is also good.

SSDs have become rather cheap these days - and the performance improvement you will experience is simply incredible.
Go! (And remember to do a clean install - no 'restore from a backup/TimeMachine'-stuff, please)

 

[orthorim]

This is actually a very good looking laptop. Too bad it runs windows

Windows 10 of all things. Horrific.

It would need to come with Linux and a matte black or any other non-Gold option, then it would be nice.

That said - the new MacBooks will look better. The only thing I'm super jealous of here is the Gorilla Glass display. Please Apple, bring that back! My retina MBP is on its 3rd screen in as many years - I don't know what the surface is made of but it quite easily scratches and gets dents. Maybe it's the matte overlay IDK. I would really prefer a perfect glass screen like on the older unibody MacBook Pros. Those were indestructible (probably was gorilla glass, but who cares, as long as it's glass...)

 

[SMIDG3T]

- you do realize Apple ships a rose gold phone right?

I do yes and I'd rather have the rose gold over that colour any day of the week!

 

[anomie]

This is actually a very good looking laptop. Too bad it runs windows

what?? Thats FUGLY, I wonder who from the 90s designed that vomit

 

[Steve121178]

Have you tried marmite, M&Ms and pineapple on a chilli bagel?
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Talk about clutching at straws, poor old MS. Give up already.

Give up? You don't know what you are talking about. Microsoft pushed the boat out to appeal to developers and developers love what they are doing.

SQL Server will even make it's way to Linux (already testing it).

 

[dec.]

Whenever Apple releases a super thin product everyone around here is cheering them on, but when a competitor does it all of a sudden it's questioned?

You're joking, right?
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HAHAHA! The comments here are great.

I would have loved to have seen this announced as a new mac laptop and see all the praise that would have been heaped upon on it.

Instead it's hideous, and "that hinge" etc. It looks amazing and if they beat Apple at its own thin game, well, just another sign of what it is to be living during the time of Tim's Apple.

And don't forget all the bashing from the usual crowd on here too...

 

[147798]

Love how they've hand-crafted every solder joint in that "artisinal", home baked way.

Sort of like Quilted Northern Rustic Weave

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No they frustrate because I for one would like better battery life .

That's a fair point, but that's not what you said in your original post. You said "having to life your hand" and "you could tip it over" -- nothing about battery life. Battery life is certainly a trade off. For my use case, I'd trade that, but YMMV.

 

[spinedoc77]

Again with the specs... and I wasn't even stooping to specs.

Never mind, never mind.
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Any sane designer can see a hundred years in advance that overing one's arm in mid air to touch a wobbly screen is VERY POOR ERGONOMICS. Having touch just because every other poor conception of ergonomically designed laptop has it, IS NOT a compelling argument.

Next... (boy this thread is hilarious).

Any sane designer also wouldn't hover one's arm mid air to touch a wobbly screen, lol. Seriously, you can't operate that laptop sitting 3 feet away from it with your arms outstretched. I'm sitting here enjoying my breakfast with my SP4 in front of me, I'm typing and in order to use the touchscreen I simply lift my hand and slide forward a couple of inches, and my elbow stays on the table if I want it to, although I must say I'm strong enough to be able to momentarily lift my arm if I needed to (maybe time to go to the gym or get rid of that heavy metallic hook?). No, the ergonomics argument is NOT a compelling argument, I agree. As they say in Apple land "you're holding it wrong".

 

[147798]

Designwise (external looks) Apple still reigns supreme, imho, though.

I agree with this, but also don't. I think the current MBPs are still more elegant than, e.g. the HP Specter which, IMO, is a bit gaudy. BUT I'm a little bored with the mostly unchanged MBP design. And please, Cook, don't just give us rose gold!

Remember when Jony Ive used to have videos explaining the machining process? Now we get thread count in watch bands. I miss Apple innovation.

 

[NT1440]

I agree with this, but also don't. I think the current MBPs are still more elegant than, e.g. the HP Specter which, IMO, is a bit gaudy. BUT I'm a little bored with the mostly unchanged MBP design. And please, Cook, don't just give us rose gold!

Remember when Jony Ive used to have videos explaining the machining process? Now we get thread count in watch bands. I miss Apple innovation.

Remember...last year?

Watch bands, man we were expecting the world from what Apple was clearly displaying as a small event (it was at their town hall for christs sake). Wait until WWDC and tell me Apple can't innovate.

 

[147798]

Remember...last year?

Watch bands, man we were expecting the world from what Apple was clearly displaying as a small event (it was at their town hall for christs sake). Wait until WWDC and tell me Apple can't innovate.

Well, I hope you are right, and will delighted if you are. You can come back and shake your finger at me if you like, if they do release something good. But what I need is to replace my 2009 MBP. I'm not sure I really can do that with a 128GB SSD butterfly keyboard, 1 port contraption. I hope they keep the Pro, Pro.

I guess I should recognize that I don't even see the Apple watch. It doesn't even exist to me, so last year was a big yawner.