Even this thinnest of all laptops has more ports than Apple's Macbook.... It's sad Apple, just sad that you can only manage ONE USB-C port that also doubles as the power cord port (face palm). 
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Apple was explicit. The Macbook is for the wireless world. They made that crystal clear in its introduction.Even this thinnest of all laptops has more ports than Apple's Macbook.... It's sad Apple, just sad that you can only manage ONE USB-C port that also doubles as the power cord port (face palm).
We can compare to other machines that don't have that goal in mind, and it's a drawback for many users, but it's like complaining that a truck can tow while a Miata can't.
Have you worked most of your adult life, in a laboratory at the world's leading computer and smartphone manufacturer - Apple? Is it your daily task to try out many hundreds of positions on dummies with sensors attached, making close observations and taking precise measurements on many, many different iterations of prototypes? Are you a member of a team of highly talented design engineers, each with a specific skill set, focusing chiefly on that one VERY particular area of the product?
Have you worked HERE?:
https://backchannel.com/what-i-saw-inside-apple-s-top-secret-input-lab-6637e2e5492e#.f5qi6l8ap
Yeah, I'll side with Apple on this one, thanks anyway, but they kinda, sorta know what they're on about, after 40+ years.
I'm not sure how the processor being BETTER for LESS MONEY doesn't make this a Macbook competitor. Since it's profile, design, and price is gunning for the Macbook, it is totally a Macbook competitor. It's also an Air competitor.
A macbook is WAY over priced for it's hardware. (Also probably why it's sales have been terrible.) The new specter has a base model almost $140 less than the macbook which is a core i-5. That would totally sway a potential purchase from a 1st time mac buyer.
I bought a macbook for my mom. (I need more power and would never consider a weaker machine costing MORE than the entry macbook pro. Apparently few people have). For her needs, the M is fine, but I only got her the Macbook over the Macbook Pro because Best Buy had them on sale for $300 off and I could stack an education discount on top of it.
Have you worked most of your adult life, in a laboratory at the world's leading computer and smartphone manufacturer - Apple? Is it your daily task to try out many hundreds of positions on dummies with sensors attached, making close observations and taking precise measurements on many, many different iterations of prototypes? Are you a member of a team of highly talented design engineers, each with a specific skill set, focusing chiefly on that one VERY particular area of the product?
Have you worked HERE?:
https://backchannel.com/what-i-saw-inside-apple-s-top-secret-input-lab-6637e2e5492e#.f5qi6l8ap
Yeah, I'll side with Apple on this one, thanks anyway, but they kinda, sorta know what they're on about, after 40+ years.
No I haven't worked there, have YOU? I regularly lecture on ergonomics and treat patients with spine and extremity related issues due to ergonomics so I can see first hand the effects of poor ergonomics. But I'm not sure what the point of all your pictures and Apple links was? Apple isn't teaching anyone to have poor ergonomics, Apple isn't teaching you to use your laptop so far away that you have to hover your entire arm to touch the screen. If you want to be compelling then please find me an Apple document or picture where they advise you to do that. You keep mixing in YOUR poor ergonomics with Apple's ergonomic policy, when in fact they are not the same thing.
Lol, the moment someone comes out with a laptop that doesn't look like a Mac Air clone, then the opinion that is ugly.
Personally I think it looks great, perhap the gold/copper is not a great choice but I am sure they will have other color combinations. But hey, at least they are trying and not just cloning a, what, 8+ year old design Apple has been pushing out their doors.
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So you don't own a Mac laptop then.
Personally I think it looks great, perhap the gold/copper is not a great choice but I am sure they will have other color combinations. But hey, at least they are trying and not just cloning a, what, 8+ year old design Apple has been pushing out their doors.
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So you don't own a Mac laptop then.
How many times do people have to be told - the literal, physical hardware item itself - in isolation - is not the WHOLE picture, or the deciding reason that one chooses Apple.
~ OS
~ Design aesthetics & build quality
~ Ubiquity and consistency
~ Number of users owning your EXACT build spec are staggering - shortage of advice is not an issue
~ AppleCare
~ Apple CARE
~ Data integrity, data security is taken VERY seriously (see Error 53)
~ Resale value
On and on...
The response of people everywhere that have no idea how to think for themselves.
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Never said they need/wanted to make anything thinner.
They just need to have more than one model that is up to date. HP (or any other computer company) investors would have abandoned ship a year ago if their "flagship" computer platform was running 3 year old hardware and they only had 1 model that ran the current generation of processors. Apple has been getting an undeserved pass on this... Especially from fans and repeat customers.
Apple as a computer company is in a very sad state, propped up by hopes, dreams, rumors... and a phone.
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Oh this thread...
Everyone go home and play with your cat.
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It is clear you have little to zero understanding of how Apple operate, and why their hardware is always slightly lesser spec than the bleeding edge others. They are not "propped up" - this statement is so ridiculous, I'll end the reply to it now, beyond ridiculous.
Okay: Apple hardware uses older specs because they CARE about the EXPERIENCE, not having the latest processor iteration inside - they care about long, hard testing, refinement and then more testing, refinement, reduction, rinse and repeat. Comparing cache sizes and clock speeds - that's for hardware fanatics, the majority of whom spend SO much time obsessing over specs and benchmarking them, that they have NO time left to be a real person using the product in the way a REAL PERSON does, doing actual work - work which involves USING the software, not counting milliseconds and measuring CPU temps.
People who buy Macs buy them to take them out of the box, plug them in and GET WORK DONE. It's not Apple to baffle (and deter) prospective buyers by rattling off long lists of meaningless numbers and tech acronyms to them - that'd be IDIOTIC. Mac and iOS users KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt... it's the unspoken "given", that the Apple experience is absolutely unparalleled and unmatched. Take it or reject it, that's your choice - that doesn't make Apple less successful - only someone with a heavy anti-Apple agenda would say "they're propping themselves up" - you're borderline delusional.
If you (falsely, imho) think Apple are in a "sad state" - then I'd like to see what you think is a GOOD state - they're building a GIGANTIC second campus, costing many billions of dollars. Okay, I can't be bothered to be honest - your comments are beyond ludicrous, insane, unjustifiable, skewed and baseless.
Have a nice day in denialworld.
Everyone go home and play with your cat.
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It is clear you have little to zero understanding of how Apple operate, and why their hardware is always slightly lesser spec than the bleeding edge others. They are not "propped up" - this statement is so ridiculous, I'll end the reply to it now, beyond ridiculous.
Okay: Apple hardware uses older specs because they CARE about the EXPERIENCE, not having the latest processor iteration inside - they care about long, hard testing, refinement and then more testing, refinement, reduction, rinse and repeat. Comparing cache sizes and clock speeds - that's for hardware fanatics, the majority of whom spend SO much time obsessing over specs and benchmarking them, that they have NO time left to be a real person using the product in the way a REAL PERSON does, doing actual work - work which involves USING the software, not counting milliseconds and measuring CPU temps.
People who buy Macs buy them to take them out of the box, plug them in and GET WORK DONE. It's not Apple to baffle (and deter) prospective buyers by rattling off long lists of meaningless numbers and tech acronyms to them - that'd be IDIOTIC. Mac and iOS users KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt... it's the unspoken "given", that the Apple experience is absolutely unparalleled and unmatched. Take it or reject it, that's your choice - that doesn't make Apple less successful - only someone with a heavy anti-Apple agenda would say "they're propping themselves up" - you're borderline delusional.
If you (falsely, imho) think Apple are in a "sad state" - then I'd like to see what you think is a GOOD state - they're building a GIGANTIC second campus, costing many billions of dollars. Okay, I can't be bothered to be honest - your comments are beyond ludicrous, insane, unjustifiable, skewed and baseless.
Have a nice day in denialworld.
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If that's what is right for the MB audience, then I've no issues. I hope they don't do that with the MBP (or kill the MBP outright).
But even for the MB target market, it still seems like the mag adapter would be welcomed. It's such a clean, sweet piece of tech. Shame to lose that.
Well done HP! This is a really cool looking laptop and a pretty low price. Finally Apple is getting some competition.
Competition is good for Apple right?? It puts pressur eon them to get better. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the forum don't see it that way. They think that Apple is end all be all.
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I agree with that. They made the new settings menu and still kept the old Control panel. Rumor has it that soon they release a major update and they are getting rid of the old control panel and everything will be in the new settings menu/panel or whatever they will call it.
W10 is very very good. I have it on all my Windows machines and never had a single issue in any of them.
MBP won't come out, till the new GPU's are ready. September i guess...
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Apple do better bring out something more valuable than the comeing surface 5 or its time for a switch. Detachable Touchscreens, Fastest GPU's, i7 or better a mobile xeon. Skylake or better cabylake. 16 to 32 gb fast rams possibility. And sure a optane SSDApple may prefer that...for now. I've owned Apple laptops that had ports on the back before. A 520c. It's much nicer for keeping the desktop clutter free, but not as good if you are using it on your lap.
Reaching around the back of a machine that is about the size of an a4 piece of paper is not much of an effort to make
But like I said. The thing HP has done is worked out a way to have just a small amount of the computer thick enough to house ports and a cooling system, allowing the rest to be really thin.
I've been looking to get a MacBook so I don't have to carry my MacBook Pro 15" to work every day, but that means a massive drop in CPU performance.
This HP design gets an i5 or i7 in there while being 3mm thinner than a 1.2gHz MacBook. That's an impressive design.
Apple needs to lift their game. The MacBook Pro design is starting to look and feel it's age.
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Bring on the MacBook Pro's Apple! Show em what you got!
HP is like that awkward kid trying so hard to be cool so he can join the cool club. No matter how hard he tries, we all know he will never be let in the cool club.
It's possible, but it ticks so many boxes it makes Apple's hardware look decidedly very very old:
Macbook pro: ok, old gen. processors (15", very old), large bezel, all soldered on mainboard, no upgrade benefits whatsoever from weightsize. Decent set of ports.
Macbook Air: Still many benefits, decent processor (twin core, but..) but looks old, old, old. Needed updating years ago.
Macbook: 1 port, too small screen, poor battery life, processor that can't pull the skin off a rice pudding.. Dodgy keyboard for some..
All Macbook suffer from too little base-option ram but otherwise, hardware wise are simply very solidy built - go and play with the "flexible" Lenovo Yoga is you don't know what I mean. HP Spectre is far better in comparison.
The one saving grace is that Windows 10 is still not a real successor to windows 7, and OSX (trackpad gestures and usability) is still better. Perhaps less confugrable in detail..
I've just sold my Macbook Pro 2012, please do something soon to impress me Apple..
Asians like that sort of thing….. like that "Rose Gold" garbage. Clearly made to cater to Asian market.
Bring on the MacBook Pro's Apple! Show em what you got!
HP is like that awkward kid trying so hard to be cool so he can join the cool club. No matter how hard he tries, we all know he will never be let in the cool club.
Sounds like the majority of insecure companies who continually fail to observe that making <insert Apple product name> "killer" products is a proven failed mission. When you aim to excel, with tunnel vision - aiming to be the best YOU can be, discounting all around you, not even acknowledging them, that's when success is most likely. It's because these companies can't help themselves but make boastful announcements passive-aggressively ridiculing Apple, that it continually fails to be the case that they "kill" anything more than a lot of their time and tens of millions of squandered marketing dollars, lol.
It's kinda like how people who aim for the riches as their goal instead of doing what they do best as excellently as they can, fail to become rich: WRONG FOCUS.
Let them continue to mock themselves. History will giggle and then their laughable attempts will be swallowed up in the sea of failures.
Love the coloring. I wish Apple would offer a similar combination for the iPads and iPhones. I'd love to see colors other than Space Gray available with a black bezel.
I don't care how good it is, if they still insist on a 1080p display what's the point????
I hope they do get rid of the control panel. I've installed Win 10 on nine year old desktops at work and it works great. Threw in a SSD and those towers are still chugging along with 2 GB of RAM and Core2Duos
There was a point, at around 2008 or so, where I stopped wanting laptops to be thinner... MacBook Air did it.
The iPad 1 was a little too thick, but iPad 2 and onward is just fine.
Same goes with the iPhone. It's far and away thin enough already. It's OK to make it a little thicker and provide better battery life...
The iPad 1 was a little too thick, but iPad 2 and onward is just fine.
Same goes with the iPhone. It's far and away thin enough already. It's OK to make it a little thicker and provide better battery life...
Oh yeah, I'm not a fan of the single port at all either, and that's part of the reason I haven't gotten one. But I know for a FACT that the next laptop I buy will have a retina display. Cutting corners for thinness just blows, and both the laptops we're talking about are cutting corners big-time.
The laptop from the exterior is not bad. I like the black matte look at the shiny HP logo, but in terms of the inside of the laptop, the keyboard is almost a replica of the Mac keyboard. Take for instance the "F" and "J" keys, the raised bump is an apple keyboard signature design. The shape of the keys at the top where ESC and F keys lie are also in the half sized keyboard keys that apple has used for years. The glass track pad and its position is also a replica of what apple has been using in their macbook/air/pro line up for years.
I thought the idea of ports at the back being interesting. If I was on the HP design team, I wouldn't know how to make a laptop thinner and still fit 3 USB-C ports. What is interesting is that apple could've gone with something similar but they didn't choose to. They rather leave 3mm extra and allow the USB-C port to sit on the side. I understand that the appeal of 3 ports over 1 seems enticing but on a daily basis, would you be willing to close the lid every-time so you can see where your ports are just to plug in a USB device or stick?
Thinness is a prize to be claimed in the modern design challenge. However, one must consider if thinness is all that he/she would desire in a laptop. The engineers at apple have made significant trade offs and yet it remains very well balanced. While being 3mm thicker, it's weight is 0.3kg less than HP.
The aesthetics of the hinge would be based on the individual's taste, but having seen some of the pictures of the real life product, I found myself really appreciative of apple's hingeless design. Having said that, I think that the HP design team has made a valiant effort in this release. Competition only leads to the benefit of the consumer and all is welcomed.
I thought the idea of ports at the back being interesting. If I was on the HP design team, I wouldn't know how to make a laptop thinner and still fit 3 USB-C ports. What is interesting is that apple could've gone with something similar but they didn't choose to. They rather leave 3mm extra and allow the USB-C port to sit on the side. I understand that the appeal of 3 ports over 1 seems enticing but on a daily basis, would you be willing to close the lid every-time so you can see where your ports are just to plug in a USB device or stick?
Thinness is a prize to be claimed in the modern design challenge. However, one must consider if thinness is all that he/she would desire in a laptop. The engineers at apple have made significant trade offs and yet it remains very well balanced. While being 3mm thicker, it's weight is 0.3kg less than HP.
The aesthetics of the hinge would be based on the individual's taste, but having seen some of the pictures of the real life product, I found myself really appreciative of apple's hingeless design. Having said that, I think that the HP design team has made a valiant effort in this release. Competition only leads to the benefit of the consumer and all is welcomed.