Why would you want to purchase a £99 AppleTV when a £5 HDMI cable will net the same result? You've then got the inconvenience of carrying that ATV around with you so that you can use that air play feature in other locations vs. carrying a small HDMI cable. One costs a lot more and is far less convenient. Doesn't really sound like a killer combo.
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Why would you want to purchase a £99 AppleTV when a £5 HDMI cable will net the same result? You've then got the inconvenience of carrying that ATV around with you so that you can use that air play feature in other locations vs. carrying a small HDMI cable. One costs a lot more and is far less convenient. Doesn't really sound like a killer combo.
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Like people keep saying for these two points. Competition is good and competitors use specs and bullet points. Here is a bullet point for Apple that almost nobody knows. Apple has a market that can not be touched by anyone else. That is out of the box accessibility for an affordable price on mobile products for the visually impaired and blind. While a very small overall percentage, that is still 30 percent of the U.S. market that only Android is evenly close with and that is only with phones. Call me a fanboy or whatever you want but Apple mobile devices aren't getting killed off as easily as some think orhope.
Again, yay competition. But go team Apple for giving people like me a more than workable and an affordable solution.
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I meant that the VI and population make up 10 percent which equals 30million Americans. That's not a huge number on it's own, but consider that plus the number of places that have to buy or provide accessible solutions and that number can start to grow very quickly.
Like people keep saying for these two points. Competition is good and competitors use specs and bullet points. Here is a bullet point for Apple that almost nobody knows. Apple has a market that can not be touched by anyone else. That is out of the box accessibility for an affordable price on mobile products for the visually impaired and blind. While a very small overall percentage, that is still 30 percent of the U.S. market that only Android is evenly close with and that is only with phones. Call me a fanboy or whatever you want but Apple mobile devices aren't getting killed off as easily as some think orhope.
Again, yay competition. But go team Apple for giving people like me a more than workable and an affordable solution.
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I meant that the VI and population make up 10 percent which equals 30million Americans. That's not a huge number on it's own, but consider that plus the number of places that have to buy or provide accessible solutions and that number can start to grow very quickly.
...and then there's the huge white building in NC that Apple will throw the switch "on" one of these days, and only the turtle-necked One knows what that will do to raise the bar on the iDevices' infrastructure.
That's why the only tablet I'm interested in will be the one that has an unrestricted operating system that is not tied into one store of one company. The whole "iTunes experience" totally sucks and I begin to hate my iPhone for it. And the iPad sucked as a whole because of its multitude of restrictions and limitations -- the damn thing cannot even surf the Internet or my company's Intranet properly because of its lack of Flash and Java support.
HDMI vs AirPlay
Has any of you HDMI bashers considered the fact that HDMI has a bandwidth of 10.2 Gbit/s and can stream extremely high quality video and audio to the HD TV while AirPlay works over a standard WiFi network that usually has a theoretical max bandwidth of 54 Mbit/s, that is often shared among several devices? Video streamed with AirPlay has to be compressed and can never be the same quality as HDMI
Has any of you HDMI bashers considered the fact that HDMI has a bandwidth of 10.2 Gbit/s and can stream extremely high quality video and audio to the HD TV while AirPlay works over a standard WiFi network that usually has a theoretical max bandwidth of 54 Mbit/s, that is often shared among several devices? Video streamed with AirPlay has to be compressed and can never be the same quality as HDMI
But what good does the HDMI output of an Apple TV do if you stream video from an iPad over a slow WiFi network that becomes a severe bottleneck?
There aren't any HDMI bashers here at all. No-one has said it's a crap tech or would put it below anything else. We're talking about it's relevance and necessity in tablet computers. When the whole point of tablet is portability, why have trailing cables? Another thing to consider; would you expect tablets to output full quality videos when Media PCs, DVDs and Blu-Ray does that job already?
I'd rather have a dock with a singular port for the device (like Apple has done) and have the output ports (line out, HDMI, USB) split out the dock.
To Grandma's house we go....
To show Grandma, Grandpa and the family your photos on the big flat screen by connecting your tablet to the front-mounted HDMI port on the TV.
Just like I can do with my Canon G11 and S90 with their µHDMI ports.
To show Grandma, Grandpa and the family your photos on the big flat screen by connecting your tablet to the front-mounted HDMI port on the TV.
Just like I can do with my Canon G11 and S90 with their µHDMI ports.
I can't believe the amount of hot air over an HDMI port. Is HDMI the new Adobe flash? 
I really can't see a lot of use for any connection type except for those who want to do presentations. In which case you really need both VGA/HDMI. All the projectors in conference rooms at work have VGA, not HDMI.
The best choice IMO would be mini DVI (can convert to HDMI) that can also output VGA.
I really can't see a lot of use for any connection type except for those who want to do presentations. In which case you really need both VGA/HDMI. All the projectors in conference rooms at work have VGA, not HDMI.
The best choice IMO would be mini DVI (can convert to HDMI) that can also output VGA.
seriously. I would wager most of these people have never touched a webOS device. webOS is amazing to say the least. Im sure a tablet running webOS will be great too. I have been waiting for this for a very long time. If HP and Palm can put out a great product I will be all over it, and to everyone who is slamming them about HDMI saying "oh the iPad has airplay who would plug that thing in", all I can say is go look at all the companies HP has been buying up lately, they will have more streaming cloud based services than apple easily. And webOS is much more of a "wireless" platform than iOS.
All that said, simply because of the developer base Apple has and their one year head-start its obvious that no matter how well the palmPad does, it will not even come close to "killing" the iPad. Apple will control the tablet scene for awhile. I do believe that the palmPad will be better than any honeycomb tablet or the webOS wannabe playbook, and some may lay claim that its "better" than the iPad but the sales wont come close. Ever.
Interesting
I love how companies tout their "iPad Killer" technologies and versatility. Geeks want versatility, while normal people simply want something that is easy, fairly inexpensive, cool, and works. Most non-geeks probably do not even read this web site. Lets look at a few things:
1. Sprint 4G - This is probably better described as 3G+, if you consider the proposal for what 4G will really mean. So, 4G is just marketing BS. Where we live (zip 49931) we get EDGE, and maybe Verizon 3G if you stand in a couple of strategic parts of town. We do however have 20MB/s through Charter, and county-wide wifi, if you want to pay for it.
2. HDMI out - There is not a single classroom at our university that supports HDMI out on their roof-mounted projectors. They are all VGA because it is a trusted technology and works well with component systems for long runs. I know a few people who use their iPads for presentations, but the software is too simplistic for anything technical, Powerpoint is the software of choice, and I still need the PC for my iClicker (personal response) systems, so I may as well use the PC. No need to connect my iPad to anything because I have AIRPLAY, and it works perfectly even over my Wireless G network!
I love how companies tout their "iPad Killer" technologies and versatility. Geeks want versatility, while normal people simply want something that is easy, fairly inexpensive, cool, and works. Most non-geeks probably do not even read this web site. Lets look at a few things:
1. Sprint 4G - This is probably better described as 3G+, if you consider the proposal for what 4G will really mean. So, 4G is just marketing BS. Where we live (zip 49931) we get EDGE, and maybe Verizon 3G if you stand in a couple of strategic parts of town. We do however have 20MB/s through Charter, and county-wide wifi, if you want to pay for it.
2. HDMI out - There is not a single classroom at our university that supports HDMI out on their roof-mounted projectors. They are all VGA because it is a trusted technology and works well with component systems for long runs. I know a few people who use their iPads for presentations, but the software is too simplistic for anything technical, Powerpoint is the software of choice, and I still need the PC for my iClicker (personal response) systems, so I may as well use the PC. No need to connect my iPad to anything because I have AIRPLAY, and it works perfectly even over my Wireless G network!
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At the iPad 2 event it would not surprise me to see Steve Jobs provide an overview of all the hardware manufacturers building AirPlay into their TVs, projectors, Blu-Ray players, audio receivers, home theaters, car radios, etc. When that happens, and it would be a big selling point for the hundred million plus iOS device owners, the competition will find that check-box thing a great deal more difficult. This is why I think Apple TV is still a hobby, it will eventually be built into many devices. In its current state it is mainly a proof of concept device and will be used as a bridge device to fully integrated AirPlay CE products.
apple tv for grandma would make that much easier. Walk in the door and start showing photos.
My God, no!
Mini HDMI to HDMI: $2.58
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10242&cs_id=1024201&p_id=3645&seq=1&format=2
And you forgot a wireless router and internet access.
I have an iPad/iPod Touch and my phone is a Palm Pre Plus so I am probably one of the few out there who uses both operating systems daily. Honestly... webOS is really good. Like, realllllly good. It's fast, easy to use flexible, intuitive, and powerful. It really deserved much better than it has gotten to date. In terms of an operating system tablet... yea, I do think it would actually fit a tablet better than iOS 4.x. All it needs is good application support. I'm not saying I would buy one (how many tablets does one person need?) but I am interested.
WebOs=OSX mobile
Such haters here! Although this is admittedly a Mac site, I would've expected people to be more open minded. I use (and love) my WebOS Pré Plus. The multi-tasking is simply ostounding, it can run as many programs and tabs as I can throw at it. I've accidentally gotten to like 20+ before without realizing it! (Including NOVA and Pandora.) As a Macbook and former iPhone/iPod Touch user, the tile pane/GUI reminds me of OSX, in fact the whole experience compared to iOS is reminiscent of OSX compared to OS9; its prettier, more elegantly implemented, more powerful, and has WAY less limits, (its actually capable of playing windowed video in the background, as has happened with an occasional glitch.) So its great news that this is in a tablet! Maybe we can finally have a non-intel tablet that can do the things I normally do on my mac: watch a video while working on projects; or edit a Word doc while referring to a research article side-by-side, all while having a 6-10 hr battery and costing less than those $799+ Windows7 abominations. This is great news for content creators like students, who still have to lug around a Macbook to do any actual work.
The things that killed WebOS previously were poor hardware, and poor hardware innovation, (waiting like 3 years for a refresh.) If this fixes those two issues, this could really be a winner. Especially if HP pulls out all the stops and applies its old "iPaq" drive to it.
People hate so much on Palm here without even giving it a chance!
Unless I have an iPad or Nook wrapped up under the tree, I will probably give the PalmPad a chance.
Such haters here! Although this is admittedly a Mac site, I would've expected people to be more open minded. I use (and love) my WebOS Pré Plus. The multi-tasking is simply ostounding, it can run as many programs and tabs as I can throw at it. I've accidentally gotten to like 20+ before without realizing it! (Including NOVA and Pandora.) As a Macbook and former iPhone/iPod Touch user, the tile pane/GUI reminds me of OSX, in fact the whole experience compared to iOS is reminiscent of OSX compared to OS9; its prettier, more elegantly implemented, more powerful, and has WAY less limits, (its actually capable of playing windowed video in the background, as has happened with an occasional glitch.) So its great news that this is in a tablet! Maybe we can finally have a non-intel tablet that can do the things I normally do on my mac: watch a video while working on projects; or edit a Word doc while referring to a research article side-by-side, all while having a 6-10 hr battery and costing less than those $799+ Windows7 abominations. This is great news for content creators like students, who still have to lug around a Macbook to do any actual work.
The things that killed WebOS previously were poor hardware, and poor hardware innovation, (waiting like 3 years for a refresh.) If this fixes those two issues, this could really be a winner. Especially if HP pulls out all the stops and applies its old "iPaq" drive to it.
People hate so much on Palm here without even giving it a chance!
Unless I have an iPad or Nook wrapped up under the tree, I will probably give the PalmPad a chance.
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Of course, it's "Mac"Rumours. While there are a handful of normal, rational people, there are of lots of fanatics.
As a former Palm developer, I have to say the place never had any focus nor direction since Jeff Hawkins left day to day management. Supposedly, this is the "Hurricane" project and I am underwhelmed. My big question on this is battery life.
Palm is still suffering from their near total abandonment of the original Palm OS API thinking that web developers writing apps that way will fill up the gap. This has not worked out as well as they thought.
If they market this as a "web tablet" with a screen size that web developers are more used it, this can have legs. However, this and any other tablets released this year is coattail riding the iPad. IMO, this will hit all the classic HP niches and enterprise accounts they have had for years. I don't seeing it going any further.
