HP Reverses Course, Will Keep PC Unit

[AidenShaw]

Well since the poster stated that he was shopping for a Windows laptop, I assumed it wasn't a problem. If we're going to point out the obvious I should also warn people to not get a blue laptop if they don't like the colour blue, but I thought at some point common sense would kick in.

You joined MacRumours in 2009 - Shirley by now you should have realized that "common sense" rarely appears in these parts....

😉

 

[boss.king]

You joined MacRumours in 2009 - Shirley by now you should have realized that "common sense" rarely appears in these parts....

😉

True. Then I guess I should add:
Don't buy a red laptop if you don't like red.
Don't buy a white laptop if you don't like white.
Don't buy a black laptop if you don't like black.
Don't buy a silver laptop if you don't like silver.
Don't buy a Windows laptop if you don't like Windows.

 

[*LTD*]

Not to be a jerk but being a teacher means you need to open minded to things. I think being a debt collector might suit you better until you learn that both sides of the table have valid arguments and at times your side could be the wrong side.

I sympathize with your attempt to tell me (whom you don't know from Adam) what to do, in light of the fact that all you have to go on is some internet forum, which many of us frequent for sheer entertainment.

 

[ouimetnick]

It's apparently germane to the discussion in terms of a competitor to Apple that we should be paying attention to. In light of that assessment you might as well report on everyone then. Go figure.

I have no complaints about it, though. At least the story has some lessons to impart.

Why do you bother posting in threads like this? Every post of yours is down ranked for a reason. Its a rediculous sounding reply. I'm sorry, but Apple has had its share of screw ups to. HP is only in the hole they are in due to crappy leadership.

Perhaps if you weren't so Apple biased, and actually tried a touchpad, you would see where some people are coming from. I tried a touchpad at BestBuy. Pretty nice. Yes, the hardware sucked, but the OS was amazing. Just needed developers.. and due to the fact that the boat was unstable, no one really wanted to spend time writing for a platform when they didn't know what would happen to it.

WebOS has its potential. It just needs great hardware. As for the PC side of HP, they are great IMO. Just like Dell.. for those hating Dell, yes I hate their consumer gear, so I only buy Latitude or Optiplex machines from them. They are quality!

 

[MSlaw]

True. Then I guess I should add:
Don't buy a red laptop if you don't like red.
Don't buy a white laptop if you don't like white.
Don't buy a black laptop if you don't like black.
Don't buy a silver laptop if you don't like silver.
Don't buy a Windows laptop if you don't like Windows.

Yeah, that's my bad your right. Seemed to me that the OP started with "Shopping for a HP laptop" and ended with "Buying a macbook air" so I figured the latter.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

I sympathize with your attempt to tell me (whom you don't know from Adam) what to do, in light of the fact that all you have to go on is some internet forum, which many of us frequent for sheer entertainment.

You do realize that the internet is still the real life and you are still accountable for your actions in "real life".

 

[*LTD*]

Why do you bother posting in threads like this? Every post of yours is down ranked for a reason.

Good. Everyone is exercising their right to self-expression, whether it's voting or commenting.

The down-ranking doesn't bother me because I know who is doing it and why they are doing it.

Its a rediculous sounding reply. I'm sorry, but Apple has had its share of screw ups to. HP is only in the hole they are in due to crappy leadership.

Perhaps if you weren't so Apple biased, and actually tried a touchpad, you would see where some people are coming from. I tried a touchpad at BestBuy. Pretty nice. Yes, the hardware sucked, but the OS was amazing. Just needed developers.. and due to the fact that the boat was unstable, no one really wanted to spend time writing for a platform when they didn't know what would happen to it.

WebOS has its potential. It just needs great hardware. As for the PC side of HP, they are great IMO. Just like Dell.. for those hating Dell, yes I hate their consumer gear, so I only buy Latitude or Optiplex machines from them. They are quality!

Ok. Let us know when WebOS is resurrected. Dead operating systems don't have time to be "amazing."

 

[ouimetnick]

I don't really care about the "business world." The "business world" will shell out for anyone that can give them the best volume deal. HP, Dell, etc. It's all the same crap that employees have to put up with. When these boxes are working like they should, of course. And quite frankly, the MS enterprise ecosystem leaves a helluva lot to be desired. That space is crying out for some innovation and User Experience initiatives.

I'm only interested in the consumer side of things. Since what I and others use at the office isn't my choice; it is one that is made for us by the dictates of management and the IT drones that cater to their budgetary decisions. LOL what typical employee in corporate North America actually enjoys their work PC? Few, if any.

Yes, HP still has their successful enterprise division. So what. It's totally meaningless for you and I as consumers. You can replace every single HP unit in the enterprise with a comparable Dell and chances are, and with few exceptions, business will continue unfettered. Box-maker is box-maker is box-maker. They are OEM shells for universally-licensed operating systems. Barely any differentiation between them. But then again, differentiation and User Experience are not priorities in the enterprise. Perfect for volume-pushers.

My school switched to Macs.. It WASN'T cheaper.. But with kids downloading ****, they screwed the windows ones up, and reformatting got old quick.

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Good. Everyone is exercising their right to self-expression, whether it's voting or commenting.

The down-ranking doesn't bother me because I know who is doing it and why they are doing it.


Ok. Let us know when WebOS is resurrected. Dead operating systems don't have time to be "amazing."

so who are some of the people that down ranked some of your pointless posts? And why did they do it?🙄

 

[MSlaw]

Good. Everyone is exercising their right to self-expression, whether it's voting or commenting.

The down-ranking doesn't bother me because I know who is doing it and why they are doing it.


Ok. Let us know when WebOS is resurrected. Dead operating systems don't have time to be "amazing."

I thought they started selling them again already. (Touchpads)

 

[Comeagain?]

Did anyone else read the title and at first think it said "HP reverses curse..." instead of course? I kept trying to figure out who had tried to curse a company...

 

[KnightWRX]

It's fine if HP wants to stay in the enterprise market, but after shopping for a new Windows laptop for my significant other, HP's consumer machines are just awful. Too bad they can't build computers that are as sturdy and reliable as my HP 12C.

I ended up getting her a Dell and while it might "appear" to be better, it's pretty much a piece of crap as well. It took less than 6 months for the fan to fail, which resulted in spending a couple of hours with creepy-dell-home-repair-guy (she would have never let him in the door if I wasn't there). Now, after ~18 months, it is having more issues and thankfully we're going to let it die.

The good news is she uses my 13" MacBook Air instead and is getting very comfortable with OS X... the bad news is she is always using my 13" MacBook Air when I'm not traveling... but I'll give it to her once the Dell fully dies so I can buy a newer MBA 😀 (hopefully we can make it to the next refresh)

I find these posts funny. It's almost as if Apple products were flawless or something and everything else is junk in constant need of repair.

For the record :

- 2008 Macbook - Fan assembly bearing decided to chew itself out after 3 months. Made an awful lot of noise and had to leave the laptop at the store for 3 weeks.
- 24" LED ACD : Went through 4 of those. First one had a bunch of dead pixels, next one had tons of dust under the glass that made it annoying to use, 3rd one had a bright LED that covered a corner and 4th one never made it out of the box since I was too scared at that point and just asked for my money back.
- 2010 MacBook Air - Display assembly had to be replaced, a part of the backlight came undone and was shinning through the display, making one corner highly annoying.

That's just my personal experience. Electronics have problems, that's just a plain fact. That's why they are all warrantied.

 

[*LTD*]

http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/25/how-bad-boards-kill-companies-hp/

Good post. It's an excellent analysis. This problem, however, is particularly endemic to the industry at large these days. Strong leadership is hard to come by, and the comparative performances of some of the established players bear this out.

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I find these posts funny. It's almost as if Apple products were flawless or something and everything else is junk in constant need of repair.

For the record :

- 2008 Macbook - Fan assembly bearing decided to chew itself out after 3 months. Made an awful lot of noise and had to leave the laptop at the store for 3 weeks.
- 24" LED ACD : Went through 4 of those. First one had a bunch of dead pixels, next one had tons of dust under the glass that made it annoying to use, 3rd one had a bright LED that covered a corner and 4th one never made it out of the box since I was too scared at that point and just asked for my money back.
- 2010 MacBook Air - Display assembly had to be replaced, a part of the backlight came undone and was shinning through the display, making one corner highly annoying.

That's just my personal experience. Electronics have problems, that's just a plain fact. That's why they are all warrantied.

There's really nothing funny about it, because his experience actually reflects reality:

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/2...isfaction-survey-for-eighth-consecutive-time/

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I thought they started selling them again already. (Touchpads)

More TouchPads sold at a massive loss? Not on purpose. One would think they've had enough embarrassment and are smart enough not to come back for more. The production runs designed to use up leftover supply are over.

 

[AidenShaw]

The down-ranking doesn't bother me because I know who is doing it and why they are doing it.

What's the link to get the report on who is up-ranking and down-ranking posts?

Or, if there's no link, how do you know who the people are who down-rank your posts? Is it a private channel on your tin-foil hat?

 

[samcraig]

I don't really care about the "business world." The "business world" will shell out for anyone that can give them the best volume deal. HP, Dell, etc. It's all the same crap that employees have to put up with. When these boxes are working like they should, of course. And quite frankly, the MS enterprise ecosystem leaves a helluva lot to be desired. That space is crying out for some innovation and User Experience initiatives.

I'm only interested in the consumer side of things. Since what I and others use at the office isn't my choice; it is one that is made for us by the dictates of management and the IT drones that cater to their budgetary decisions. LOL what typical employee in corporate North America actually enjoys their work PC? Few, if any.

Yes, HP still has their successful enterprise division. So what. It's totally meaningless for you and I as consumers. You can replace every single HP unit in the enterprise with a comparable Dell and chances are, and with few exceptions, business will continue unfettered. Box-maker is box-maker is box-maker. They are OEM shells for universally-licensed operating systems. Barely any differentiation between them. But then again, differentiation and User Experience are not priorities in the enterprise. Perfect for volume-pushers.

Now you have me confused LTD. What makes a company successful. Are companies that only cater to home users able to be successful?

It seems to me (and anyone with half a brain here) that the reason we accuse you of moving the goal post all around is because you define success and "best" by terms only you know or care about. While that is definitely Jobsian - you are not Jobs. Never will be Jobs. And quite frankly - coming from you it's just obnoxious because a genius you are not.

On another not (not directed to LTD) - in reading Isaacson's book I came across a passage where Jobs is so adamantly opposed to anyone tinkering with the Apple II. He says he had observed what hackers, etc had been able to do by expanding on his system and it annoyed him.

I find this pretty typical of someone who is a control freak - but at the same time - it's peculiar behavior coming from someone who supposedly loves the user. Loves technology. And loves people who thought differently and came up with great ideas.

I think on some level - he hated being shown up. He hated (just like he wasn't fond of the jailbreak community) because he believed his way was the best and if he didn't include it - it was crap. I think seeing other people extend the possibilities was a slap in the face to him. A betrayal.

 

[GQB]

"She's my daughter."
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"She's my sister."
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"My daughter"
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On another not (not directed to LTD) - in reading Isaacson's book I came across a passage where Jobs is so adamantly opposed to anyone tinkering with the Apple II. He says he had observed what hackers, etc had been able to do by expanding on his system and it annoyed him.

I find this pretty typical of someone who is a control freak - but at the same time - it's peculiar behavior coming from someone who supposedly loves the user. Loves technology. And loves people who thought differently and came up with great ideas.

I think on some level - he hated being shown up. He hated (just like he wasn't fond of the jailbreak community) because he believed his way was the best and if he didn't include it - it was crap. I think seeing other people extend the possibilities was a slap in the face to him. A betrayal.

Nah, couldn't just be because he knew his goal of getting powerful technology into everyone's hands was at its heart incompatible with making open, tinkertoys aimed at geeks, could it?

Its not 'control freak' to want to make sure that your product isn't an exploding jack-in-the-box that's fun for .01% of the users and dangerous for the rest.

 

[samcraig]

It doesn't actually bother me because I know exactly who's doing it and why they're doing it.

Again - saying it doesn't make it true. You have no idea who is down voting you any more than you know who is up voting you. But I'll give you this - it's obvious to everyone here WHY someone would down vote you.

So what? I can't put a server in my pocket. Do consumers live on the floor of IT departments?

Here's the thing LTD - who gives a crap what you want or what you can do. You don't dictate the marketplace. You aren't the majority. You don't have the same wants, needs and desires as everyone (maybe ANYONE) else.

You are walking through life with Apple-Rose-Colored Glasses and are purposely choosing to ignore anything that doesn't fit your paradigm.

And you want to be a teacher?! I would pull my kid out of your class before the homeroom bell rang...

 

[GQB]

Yup. They can team up with Steve "people don't read anymore" Jobs's ghost.

Wow... can you stretch a little more?
BTW, since when is it a crime for a CEO to refuse to telegraph his next moves.
A little head fake is well within the rules.

I think that you guys who fell for the 'people don't read' and 'no one wants to watch video on a tiny device' lines are just embarrased that you got faked out.

 

[SandynJosh]

You have no clue how IT works. IT isn't all about price its about ROI. Getting the best service, the best support, the best integration, and guaranteed roadmaps for future development and projects.

I disagree. IT is first and foremost about staying relevant within the larger corporation; Job security. ROI and everything else is how they justify their existence.

Each month the company payroll is a huge expense. It's so big that it's the first thing most companies look to trim when times are tough. It's this fantasy that the ROI on a laptop is more important than the ROI of a seasoned employee that has devalued the worker to the level we find today.

 

[samcraig]

"She's my daughter."
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"She's my sister."
slap
"My daughter"
slap
"My sister"
slap

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Nah, couldn't just be because he knew his goal of getting powerful technology into everyone's hands was at its heart incompatible with making open, tinkertoys aimed at geeks, could it?

Its not 'control freak' to want to make sure that your product isn't an exploding jack-in-the-box that's fun for .01% of the users and dangerous for the rest.

You can have both. It's the users choice if they want to express themselves differently. I'm not a jailbreaker - but I think it's perfectly ok for the community to exist. I also think that anything that happens to the phone/OS when someone modifies it (software or hardware mod) then that phone is then their responsibility and anything that goes wrong with it is no longer Apple's responsibility.

Point is - getting upset (as much as Jobs did) because someone wants to make his product better for their personal use case shouldn't be cause for anger.

The iPhone comes in White or Black. But what if I really really want red. Now if Jobs (when he was alive) wants to get pissed off because I mod my case to red - that's his right - but I find it stupid.

And where does the line get drawn anyway. What about all of the companies making snap on lenses, tripods, and other various "mods" to the device to make it better. Jobs must have had a real love-hate relationship. Love that people are coming up with new ways to use the device. Hate that they just can see he designed it exactly perfect 😉

 

[entatlrg]

F up WebOS and the whole TouchPad effort (after promising the world.) Then admit you've got profit issues and announce you're looking for a buyer for your PC division. Put WebOS on hold and announce layoffs because no one's buying your tablet. Sell your tablet at a massive loss instead. Meanwhile, no one really wants your PC division (yesterday's ideas.) Then you flip-flop and say you want to keep it after all due to some cost issues and stuff you hadn't thought of before.

Avoid HP like swine flu. They obviously have no clue what the they're doing and cannot adjust to current market realities.

What you said is true. It's odd your post got down voted 😕

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

The down-ranking doesn't bother me because I know who is doing it and why they are doing it.

Considering people rarely praise anything you say in here and are consistently annoyed with you I would think the problem would be obvious to you.

More than a handful of people obviously have good reasons to dislike you. The only mystery is why you continue to post with such a weak report with everyone here.

 

[TC400]

Glad to hear this.
As hp and Apple are two of my most fave tech brands.

 

[darkplanets]

Considering people rarely praise anything you say in here and are consistently annoyed with you I would think the problem would be obvious to you.

More than a handful of people obviously have good reasons to dislike you. The only mystery is why you continue to post with such a weak report with everyone here.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions... even those we disagree with. I'm sure there's plenty who sympathize with LTD or take a moderate approach and only sometimes find his comments reproachable. That said, his rather bombastic and confrontational posting style undoubtedly reflects his natural persona, and if he is indeed going into academics... god help his students and fellow faculty members.

 

[something3153]

Think of it as comic relief. It's certainly amusing.

Yes, thank you for that. This place would be so much more serious without your humor.

 

[nylonsteel]

re ambivelence (sp)

funny how hp is changing its mind back

shades of netflix's "qwickster" decision by ceo reed hastings

anyway former hp ceo leo apathoker was too awkward for the job

weird how ceo's of monster corporation make such sucky dufus decisions

even homer simpson could do mo betta than those clowns - hasting and apothaker - at half the pay