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They are only saying this to sound as if though they have a plan and heading into the future to make up for their poor sales in all aspects. Their mobile, tablets and PC's are getting torn up by Apple taking a big bite into everyone else cake.

Exactly. That's all we have been pretty much hearing. HP is seeing it, Steve Jobs is probably in the hospital on his Macbook Pro seeing it, and every other company is....

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i honestly thought RIM would fall before webOS

RIM is a different story back up here in the Canada... However, I think RIM could be next...

They have already starting laying off workers, and like I said before, its going to get messy in the next couple of weeks...
 
HP in the tablet war:

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You're thinking of Carly Fiorina. Patricia Dunn was after the merger.

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You are correct, Carly Fiorina was the one person who ruined HP. Patricia Dunn just finished the job. I get the two confused. Both where, and are, world class bitches. I had friends who worked for HP at the time and the inside story they related to me was like a obituary. Because of all of the HP calculators I have had over the years I did have a certain loyalty to HP. I wonder what is going to happen to HP printers they have long been my favorite.
 
Another one bites the dust. This marks the end of 2 acquisitions (Compaq and Palm).

I wonder who will buy HP's PC division? ASUS and Lenovo are potential buyers. The latter doesn't have an announced "Ultrabook" yet, and if it's going to be 40% of the market like Intel thinks, that would be a quick way in since HP already has one under development.

WebOS sounds like it's history to me. I guess even Manny Pacquiao couldn't save it. Microsoft Windows Phone looks to be the only alternative to Android and iOS right now.

It would not surprise me at all if Lenovo goes after the HP PC business.
 
i wouldn't be too sure about that.

walled gardens poppin up everywhere now.

Nokia + Microsoft

Motorola + Google

HP + any takers (WebOS will be licensed out to 3rd parties)

Apple (just Apple!)

Samsung + BadaOS (their native OS. Samsung is worried though. They need to make/acquire their own competent OS)

HTC + who? (right now they are doing both WP7/Android)

LG + who? (if i were them i'd be worried, same with Samsung)

Walled Gardens growing everywhere!
like i said, unless google dramatically change their services and "direction" of android, then samsung, h&c will stay with google.

for samsung to walk away from android, they would , like you said, have to create a competent OS that at least rivals android and iOS, but is different enough to not be sued, as well as gain developer support etc

It just seems it would be a massive hill to climb and a massive risk to take.
 
ouch, on Carly Fiorina

Outside judgments on Fiorina's tenure at HP are mixed. In 2008, Infoworld grouped her with a list of products and ideas as flops, declaring her to be the "anti-Steve Jobs" for reversing the goodwill of American engineers and for alienating existing customers. In 2008, Loren Steffy of The New York Times suggested that the EDS acquisition well after Fiorina's tenure was evidence that her actions as CEO were justified. In April 2009, the business magazine web site Condé Nast Portfolio listed Fiorina as one of "The 20 Worst American CEOs of All Time", characterizing the HP-Compaq merger as a widely regarded failure, and citing the halving of HP's stock value under Fiorina's tenure.
 
like i said, unless google dramatically change their services and "direction" of android.

This is what determines Samsung's future with their OS. With Apple suing them in every part of the world, it's seems like Samsung has to do something in order to get some money... If Google decides that Motorola is their main hardware department, it's all over. However, if Samsung where to purchase webOS, which they did have talks today, then they could get access to webOS, but also the patents from Palm, which they could use to fight Apple with...
 
Palm couldn't reach its 19th birthday (1992-2010)

webOS couldn't even reach its 3rd birthday (2009-2011)

A couple of major shakeups this week in the mobile market.

SMH. The pioneers of PDA and smartphones is truly dead just like my Handspring Visor from a decade ago. Damn shame.

I feel HP is acting like Xerox in the early 1980's. They gave up too soon and are now known as being popular for making printers. Steve Jobs himself even said that Xerox could be the biggest company today. Now Apple and Microsoft are more successful just by copying Xerox's innovations that top Xerox's execs didn't believe in.

Xerox and the GUI (story sound familiar with HP and webOS?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0nAX8g2FOw


All webOS needed was some better hardware underneath to power it, more carriers instead of appearing on Sprint first, better ads, and better timing instead of coming two years after iOS was released and the year Android started blowing up with the Droid/Verizon ads later that year. Palm was already bleeding even before iPhone was announced though. They were already losing the smartphone market to RIM before 2007. Treo was already losing marketshare to BlackBerry. Then had to play catchup to iOS with the app development once they revamped their Palm OS completely with webOS.

Palm's webOS was its "final fantasy." It was its last chance at redemption. It failed. It was like Heath Ledger's performance in The Dark Knight before he left this world.

RIP to one of the pioneers of the PDA/smartphone game and their very intuitive OS which became Palm's beautiful swan song.
 
Me too, though I don't think this will alter that outcome at this point

I fear RIM however. They already starting laying off workers a week or two ago, meaning there is something up... Surprising that there is not much news with RIM, most likely because there actually selling something to Enterprise users, which is a lot, but some companies have switched to iPhones. Lets hope RIM's upcoming offers are good to enough to stay with their Enterprise users...
 
I'm seriously thinking that Samsung will be making a huge purchase for an OS soon. There is no way in hell that Samsung will be using Android 2-3 years down the line.

Who holds the most Patents?

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This is what determines Samsung's future with their OS. With Apple suing them in every part of the world, it's seems like Samsung has to do something in order to get some money... If Google decides that Motorola is their main hardware department, it's all over. However, if Samsung where to purchase webOS, which they did have talks today, then they could get access to webOS, but also the patents from Palm, which they could use to fight Apple with...

The thing is though, why did webOS fail? IMO it's because it offered nothing different from android, iOS and windows 7 mobile, that and the fact developers didn't get on board.

developer support is the most important thing in an OS, samsung would have to somehow gain developer support, create and OS than is different but just as good as android etc

And IMO that is "impossible" now, how many developers will create apps for 4 completely different OS's? what can samsung do to create an OS that competes with android etc?

Too many question marks and too much risk for samsung to make.

and Google will never change there strategy, there main goal is to get their services to as many people and devices as possible, to sell information and other such things.
 
I'm seriously thinking that Samsung will be making a huge purchase for an OS soon. There is no way in hell that Samsung will be using Android 2-3 years down the line.

Who holds the most Patents?

Yet Apple still has the ability to sue Samsung practically everywhere??? How can't Samsung fight the battle with this many patents?

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and Google will never change there strategy, there main goal is to get their services to as many people and devices as possible, to sell information and other such things.

How do you know? I wonder why Google bought Motorola Mobility in the first place... IMO, I think Samsung was smart in talking to HP about webOS...
 
no more Palm on Mac Lion

Since HP bought Palm last year they decided to not have Palm working on Lion
so HP is forcing me to get an iPhone (5 ??) so I can continue to use my smartphone with my computer (MacBook Pro) I hope the iPhone5 will work with Sprint, that'll make things easier on me.

Great way for HP to help Apple's business.

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Since HP bought Palm last year they decided to not have Palm working on Lion
so HP is forcing me to get an iPhone (5 ??) so I can continue to use my smartphone with my computer (MacBook Pro) I hope the iPhone5 will work with Sprint, that'll make things easier on me.

Great way for HP to help Apple's business.

:apple:

Bootcamp or Windows Phone 7?
 
Yet Apple still has the ability to sue Samsung practically everywhere??? How can't Samsung fight the battle with this many patents?

Samsung makes a large amount of integrated circuits and electronic components, that is unrelated to these law suits. My guess is that the bulk of those patents relates to the electronic components side of Samsung, not their consumer products.
 
Samsung makes a large amount of integrated circuits and electronic components, that is unrelated to these law suits. My guess is that the bulk of those patents relates to the electronic components side of Samsung, not their consumer products.

huh? that chart is showing all 'telecommunication' related patents.
 
huh? that chart is showing all 'telecommunication' related patents.

Yeah, like "telecommunication" is not a very inclusive and generally broad description to fit everything from electronic parts to end user devices.
 
Samsung makes a large amount of integrated circuits and electronic components, that is unrelated to these law suits. My guess is that the bulk of those patents relates to the electronic components side of Samsung, not their consumer products.

That seems to make sense...

huh? that chart is showing all 'telecommunication' related patents.

Still, I would have expected to Samsung fight back somehow with Apple's lawsuit....
With Palm's patents, they should be able to fight back Apple.
 
The issue there is that no developer worth their salt is willing to stick by HP at this point. They see the writing on the wall, and they're moving on. It doesn't matter if they license it, they'll be even less apps that day then today.

Don't you think some of that might be because, besides Apple now and Nokia in the past, nobody has had any real success going it alone (see RIM)? If Samsung, LG, HTC, SonyEricsson, Kyocera, et al, continue to get fed up, it might begin to look like a risk worth taking. The only advantage I really see with Android is some people's reliance on Gmail, Gcal, and GoogleDocs. While devs are lured to writing Android apps due to the number of Android phones, they are none to happy about app sales.
 
Apple has nothing to offer the Enterprise sector. Support being the key gap in Apple's portfolio. Everything Apple now has is aimed at the consumer or very small business.

My last computer purchase was a HP server. Would be sorry to see those go.

Your actually wrong on this. I just got turned down for my third job in a week for not having Mac certifications. That was the sole reason for each one I applied for.

If you look at a number of IT jobs lately they want Mac certs. I never thought I'd see the day since it was always a "PC only" area and thats what I focused all of my skills on. Macs are becoming more and more popular in the work place, especially in areas where there is any sort of media development.

This isn't the case for every company but the list keeps growing. Even positions at my last job now want Mac certs.
 
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