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Your actually wrong on this. I just got turned down for my third job in a week for not having Mac certifications. That was the sole reason for each one I applied for.

If you look at a number of IT jobs lately they want Mac certs. I never thought I'd see the day since it was always a "PC only" area and thats what I focused all of my skills on. Macs are becoming more and more popular in the work place, especially in areas where there is any sort of media development.

This isn't the case for every company but the list keeps growing. Even positions at my last job now want Mac certs.

what area of work are you in? if you don't mind me asking that is.

I am a drafter and been to a hand full of offices for work experience, and have not seen one mac. That is just one field though, and it probably depends on your field.
 
HP is so dumb. Why did they even buy Web OS then? Their share holders are going to criticize them for wasting billions of dollars on buying Palm.

It was about only a year ago they bought Palm and now they are just shutting down the business.

Shame on HP and I am glad I am not a share holder with HP.
 
Google buying Motorola Mobility and now HP dropping its PC and WebOS business is just too much to absorb mentally. The world is changing too quickly. We'll see Apple and the 800 pound gorilla from now on. The DOJ is getting ready to pounce on them I'm sure.
 
Google buying Motorola Mobility and now HP dropping its PC and WebOS business is just too much to absorb mentally. The world is changing too quickly. We'll see Apple and the 800 pound gorilla from now on. The DOJ is getting ready to pounce on them I'm sure.

Calm down man... There is still hope for these companies... (sympathy kicking in)

Seriously though, even if HP were to end up in a split, at least you would get to see some of its products being continued. (The PC part, not likely webOS and the TouchPad.)
 
Do that software sell a lot? enough to completely shut down the computer and hardware division?

At the price it costs, it doesn't need to sell a lot. ;) Just the support contracts on any of those titles is in the 10s of thousands of dollar per server/CPU. I wouldn't worry too much for that part of their business.

Also, what makes you think they are shutting down the hardware division ? HP Hardware is much more than just a couple of PCs.

Think storage, networking, high-end servers, mid-range servers, low-end servers.
 
At the price it costs, it doesn't need to sell a lot. ;) Just the support contracts on any of those titles is in the 10s of thousands of dollar per server/CPU. I wouldn't worry too much for that part of their business.

Also, what makes you think they are shutting down the hardware division ? HP Hardware is much more than just a couple of PCs.

Think storage, networking, high-end servers, mid-range servers, low-end servers.

Well, they are still going to focus on Cloud Networking solutions, as well as the enterprise market, so I think they will do fine in collaboration with RIM (Enterprise Phones). Just a thought.

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They make pretty good printers though.
:D

[But they will too see a demise when Memjet becomes more widely available]

The printers will probably go away with the PCs. :rolleyes:
 
what area of work are you in? if you don't mind me asking that is.

I am a drafter and been to a hand full of offices for work experience, and have not seen one mac. That is just one field though, and it probably depends on your field.

I do mostly desktop and server support, many places Ive worked I also had to do software testing for various workstations before ordering and such. Occasionally I get pulled to the networking side of things but since I have no networking certs its not often.

I started seeing Macs pop up in my last two jobs, mostly in the media section of the companies I worked for or for people who were special and got to pick the computer they wanted. I never had to mess with them much, I only installed and tested programs like Cinema 4D, Maya, Final Cut, etc on them and set up test areas for a few of the people who would be using these systems to try out the new workflows.

Now I keep seeing Mac certs being a requirement on various jobs. Even though I have plenty of Mac experience, I don't have those papers. I was fortunate enough to have the hiring staff tell me why I wasn't hired when I called and asked.

I plan on a career change anyway but it doesn't hurt to have something to fall back on.
 
Hope they don't discontinue the HP Sauce ...... That stuffs great.

Haha... :D very Funny. At least one HP product isn't in trouble...

I wonder how they were able to use HP without naming issues? I suggest they have a license or patent agreement perhaps?
 
Unit sales, not profit

The largest hardware company. Millions of computers. Industry leaders. But, like all non-Apple computer companies, losing money. They're doing now what IBM did 20 years ago.

Tell me again, how MANY Android phones are there? And how much money do the hardware people make?
 
When was this ? Because off the top of my head, here is a list of HP Enterprise software :

HP-UX
HP Virtual Server Environment
HP Data Protector
HP MetroCluster Service Guard
HP OpenView suite
HP Service Manager
HP OpenVMS

I'm just scratching the surface here... Maybe I should log on to my HP service account to list more...

No that's good.... I was at a loss with this beside HP-UX. It looks like most of their products are centered around their server sales. I was just thinking that with Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM I can name five products from each in the database, operating system, application server, and collaboration space. I could not think of this with HP. They certainly have software around their server line. I am admittedly ignorant of other stuff they have. I am sure there is more. I was asking for somebody to provide this kind of info. Thanks.

In response to your response and a response from wegster, I added the following to my original post:
EDIT 3: As KnightWRX and wegster have pointed out, I have overlooked many of HP's offerings in the systems software space. Most notably HP-UX, VMS and others. Most of their stuff centers around the systems they sell. I was thinking along the lines of application servers (WebLogic, WebSphere, MS Information Server), collaboration (MS Office, Outlook, Exchange, IBM Lotus Notes, Domino, Symphony), development (MS Visual Studio, IBM Rational tools), databases (Oracle, MSSQL Server, IBM DB2, Informix), content & document management (MS SharePoint, IBM Filenet, Oracle WebCenter), and information analytics (IBM Cognos, Oracle's analytics suite). Clearly MS and IBM have offerings in the systems software space (as does Oracle since the acquisition of Sun) -- but I completely overlooked this. From what wegster pointed out, the acquisition gives HP a foothold in the information/data mining and analytics space.
 
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Ugh...cant believe they're killing webOS. Why did this OS suffer from such horrible management. Now a great OS is just gonna die. HTC/Samsung please buy it.

People keep saying that, and I just don't get it. When I was ready to upgrade my Moto Q to an iPhone, Sprint customer service asked me to check out the Palm Pixi (or whatever it was called). Did not like it and thought it was counter-intuitive, and I dropped Sprint - a company I love - to get an iPhone.

Yesterday I went and checked out their tablet, again, I was not impressed. I thought even a Droid experience is better. Is there something I am missing? Why do people keep saying that webOS is a great OS, while I thought it was slow and counter-intuitive?
 
I'm seriously thinking that Samsung will be making a huge purchase for an OS soon. There is no way in hell that Samsung will be using Android 2-3 years down the line.

Who holds the most Patents?
Thanks for that graph!

It wouldn't surprise me if Samsung picked up WebOS for a discount once HP decides to disgorge it. Based on the ads I see while strapped into my seat on airplanes, Samsung is trying to pitch their tablet as an experience rather than simply a tool, and I'd imagine they'd want to control that experience.

The downside is that I'm not aware of any existing competence inside Samsung when it comes to software, so I'd expect that's going to be a rough path for them to follow...
 
People keep saying that, and I just don't get it. When I was ready to upgrade my Moto Q to an iPhone, Sprint customer service asked me to check out the Palm Pixi (or whatever it was called). Did not like it and thought it was counter-intuitive, and I dropped Sprint - a company I love - to get an iPhone.

Yesterday I went and checked out their tablet, again, I was not impressed. I thought even a Droid experience is better. Is there something I am missing? Why do people keep saying that webOS is a great OS, while I thought it was slow and counter-intuitive?

Sprint and Apple don't belong together in the same sentence. Apple is at the top of the tech industry and Sprint is at the bottom of the cell phone providers.
 
I know its a trend among companies to become a "services based company" but that doesn't work out all too often for most people.

I'm not wishing bad on HP in any means (I have friends whose lively hoods depend on that company) but I just don't see it being that successful.
 
Now I keep seeing Mac certs being a requirement on various jobs. Even though I have plenty of Mac experience, I don't have those papers. I was fortunate enough to have the hiring staff tell me why I wasn't hired when I called and asked.

HR may have told you that was the reason why you weren't hired, but it's not necessarily the truth. They could have easily just hired an internal candidate or a referral (who didn't have the certification also), but they just didn't want to tell you. In fact, they could have just interviewed you to fulfill the requirement of looking outside, but the hiring manager already had candidates in mind he wanted to hire.
 
I wonder if they will continue to provide support and services for the legacy enterprise systems out there, such as OpenVMS. Hopefully they sell that stuff off to IBM.
 
I'm seriously thinking that Samsung will be making a huge purchase for an OS soon. There is no way in hell that Samsung will be using Android 2-3 years down the line.

Who holds the most Patents?

patent1.jpg

If samsung has that many patents, why on earth do they have to copy every one else?
 
Palm on Snow Leopard

You can use Boot Camp to install Windows to have support for your phone? What OS version are running? Snow Leopard or Lion?

I'll need to go to Lion so I can use the Thunderbolt display in 3 or 4 weeks when I get it.

Right now I'm running Snow Leopard.

Yeah I guess I could install windows so I can run Palm, but that just seems like too much of an effort, so I'll probably just get an iphone 5 in October...


... because HP is not allowing me to continue to use my Palm Treo on Lion anymore.
 
It's a smart move by HP to divest spin off their PC business. Over the past 20 years, the number of PC OEMs has grown, robbing them of their ability to truly innovate and set themselves apart from competitors. And by the way, improving specs (e.g. faster processor) is not innovation. It's really no secret as to why prices have fallen so much. The OEMs have basically nothing left to compete on except price. HP and Dell had two choices. Either live with a low-margin business in PCs and let it drag down other more profitable product lines or get rid of the PC unit. HP and Dell have chosen wisely.

When I first saw the rumors that HP wanted to license out WebOS, I knew that they were exposing themselves to the problems that plagued Apple with Mac clones. Mac OS clones could undercut Apple on price alone and hurting sales and squeezing their margins.

Making money in the consumer electronics market is incredibly tough. By nature, hardware is not very profitable. That's why it is so remarkable that Apple is able to be so profitable in such an unprofitable business in hardware.
 
HP is slowly dying

Funny thing is that even their Enterprise division is just as messed up. We were having some major issues with IBM hardware a few months back. There was an attempt to put a shot across IBM's bow, and we asked HP to come in and talk about their server line. The meeting was quickly setup, but when the date approached, no one from HP showed up.

Hey HP, we want to buy your servers. *crickets* :confused:
 
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