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Originally posted by elgruga
Yes - why bother with this ugly hPod thing?

Carly Fiorentina has been taking public speaking tips from Steve Jobs, too!

I wonder where this is all going to go?

marketing and branding is all about consistency in design. Apples products are white or aluminum in the case of the G5 and are intenationallly recognised as being Apple products. HP on the other hand are that Bluey colour and are recogised world wide so an HP Pod would there for be the HP colours to keep with the consistent design
 
You've got to hand it to Carly.

Nearly everything else in this story makes it sound like HP took a look at the last quarter's stats and decided to fold up its tent and get on the iPod/iTMS bandwagon, and then she somehow manages to make it seem like it was Apple that came to them wanting to do the deal.

I concede that HP have done a fair amount of innovation over the decades, but the idea of Apple being impressed with HP's record of innovation in the consumer marketplace seems like a woman desperately trying to make lemonade out of lemons to me.

Still think it's a great deal though, and think the finished units will look a lot better than the spray-painted half-assed unit she holds up in the video.

Now onto the positives:

If HP really have 110,000 outlets to pump this through, it's highly conceivable that HP could move 3 million units annually. Assuming Apple are giving HP some room to make $25 a unit, HP could make $75 million annually as a guarantee.

This compares quite favourably with how much HP would have paid to develop and, more importantly, market its own player and store, both of which could have landed up being loss-leaders.

$75 million income as opposed to $25-$50 million burnt seems like a smart move from HP, and Apple do quite nicely out of it as well.

Like one of those cute Russian dolls, the first thing that looks like a Trojan Horse is the iPod; but then you realise that it might be iTMS; however you dig a little deeper and you begin to think it might be QuickTime and then - ultimately - it might be the fact that - through iTunes - Apple is getting WebCore or whatever its called onto Windows.

That's just the intangible benefit; but at 3 million units a year and 15% gross, Apple may well generate around $900M in revenue for iPod and over $135M in profit. If half of these 3 million units generate 5 iTMS downloads a month, that's 90 million downloads/annum.

Over three years, Apple could download some 540 million tracks to HP's customers, generating a minimum of $27M in profit to go with $405M in profit from iPod sales.

Seems like a deal to me! Sneak your software onto your arch-rival's OS, shift even more of your hot product thus increasing economies of scale and reducing unit costs, earn a shed load of cash. Oh, and stick a knife into the opposing music formats at the same time. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.

As for WMA support - why should Apple legitimise or dignify WMA and its DRM! If WMA music stores go down the tubes, then Apple should let their subscribers swing in the breeze simply to reinforce the message that not everthing MS is or indeed should be successful. Rescuing people who made bad purchasing decisions whilst giving money to your arch-enemy is just misguided. Let Gates, Ballmer and their cheerleaders explain to their customers that WMA is a dead-end format, whilst sane reasonable people use a quality solution.
 
Originally posted by Snowy_River
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the actual course of events was something like this:

Apple: Say, HP, can we strike a deal so that you'll pre-install iTunes on all of your computers?

HP: Hmm. That sounds interesting, but let's sweeten the pot a little. We want an HP branded music player, and we know you've got the best one in the business. How about you create an HP version of the iPod, and we'll bundle iTunes on all of our computers?

Apple: Well, that seems like a good deal. Let's do it!

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/08hp.html


“HP’s goal is to bring the most compelling entertainment content and experiences to our customers,” said Carly Fiorina, chairman and chief executive officer at HP. “We explored a range of alternatives to deliver a great digital music experience and concluded Apple’s iPod music player and iTunes music service were the best by far. By partnering with Apple, we have the opportunity to add value by integrating the world’s best digital music offering into HP’s larger digital entertainment system strategy.”


That should answer your question.

As I have discovered in the work place never underestimate the business savy of a woman especially when she wants to get something done.
 
Originally posted by MCCFR
If HP really have 110,000 outlets to pump this through, it's highly conceivable that HP could move 3 million units annually. Assuming Apple are giving HP some room to make $25 a unit, HP could make $75 million annually as a guarantee.
Many/some of these already sell iPod. CompUSA, Best Buy, etc.
 
Originally posted by avus
You should keep doing that if you like to listen to what is available in iTMS US, because iTMS Japan will feature a completely different set of music and musicians for an obvious reason (catering the Japanese market, that is).

Two members in the family makes both possible. However, if I were to make a gross generality, the Japanese market has a better appreciation for Jazz of all types, classical, and perhaps reggae, so I would expect these genre to be covered equally as well.

In addition, Tower and Virgin, still carry reasonably broad selections of non-Japanese artist here in Tokyo, so I would expect the iTMS in Japan to take a similar approach.
 
Originally posted by winmacguy
marketing and branding is all about consistency in design. Apples products are white or aluminum in the case of the G5 and are intenationallly recognised as being Apple products. HP on the other hand are that Bluey colour and are recogised world wide so an HP Pod would there for be the HP colours to keep with the consistent design

Respectfully, while consistency is part of the science/art, marketing and branding are a little more complicated than this.
 
Originally posted by slowtreme
Many/some of these already sell iPod. CompUSA, Best Buy, etc.

And I account for that by the 0.5 units a week which is absurdly low!

I don't mean this as a slight, but you can identify an American response on this topic: CompUSA, BestBuy etc. are great in the USA, but meaningless in the UK or India. This deal is designed to give the iPod a global reach - not just to replicate the distribution network in Wichita, KS.

Here in the UK, if HP can get iPod available consistently in PC World - think CompUSA without the intelligence - Apple will see a tangible benefit.

Now think about all those countries where Apple actually deals through a distributor and HP has a real presence: the distributor doesn't have the marketing muscle to compete against Japanese CE companies, but HP does. Case closed, good night.
 
Oh- this is a great win. When someone is buying a new PC, looks over and sees the HP Digital Music Player connected and working together with the PC, they might just add it to their shopping cart. Steve must of smiled and chuckled when he watched Carly's keynote.
 
Originally posted by MCCFR
And I account for that by the 0.5 units a week which is absurdly low!

I don't mean this as a slight, but you can identify an American response on this topic: CompUSA, BestBuy etc. are great in the USA, but meaningless in the UK or India. This deal is designed to give the iPod a global reach - not just to replicate the distribution network in Wichita, KS.

Here in the UK, if HP can get iPod available consistently in PC World - think CompUSA without the intelligence - Apple will see a tangible benefit.

Now think about all those countries where Apple actually deals through a distributor and HP has a real presence: the distributor doesn't have the marketing muscle to compete against Japanese CE companies, but HP does. Case closed, good night.

You are so correct. We always forget the global reach. And this is good for Apple to secure production capacity to build more iPods. They need to lock up allocation for hard drives (the mini HD market is growing exponentially). Apple is savvy in that they know that the iPod as it is will soon reach a plateau in the US and they need to grow the market. Why not utilize a company with vast distribution like HP to continue expanding the global market which is still open territory for the likes of Dell, Sony, et al.?
 
why apple why? why are they doing this? you can get the ipod for windows. why make an hp version??????? it is so damn ugly, just like hp's. ahhhh!
 
HP Ipod Opinion

Personally I can't get myself to like the color of HP's iPod. I like the color blue, but this just looks bad. They should have at least left the touch-buttons white. I know it works the same, but I rather the pure simplicity that the white iPods have. And about WMA's being superior... I trust the known and trusted sound geniuses, who have excited me in theaters for years, at Dolby more than I trust Microsoft. Peace! :)
 
PC users seem to like ugly stuff so I think this will appeal to them. I on the other hand, am going to go throw up!
 
Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
Um - let's not get too high and mighty here. HP's PC's may be a dime-a-dozen, but they have been inovators in a lot of markets since 1939 (and a garage start-up just like Apple)

If you have to choose a Pee-Cee maker as a partner, they're not a bad choice:


As a stock-holder, I say, "Bravo!"

Exactly what I was thinking.

HP is no slouch.
 
Originally posted by flipperfeet
Respectfully, while consistency is part of the science/art, marketing and branding are a little more complicated than this.

Your respect has been noted and appriciated :), my point was to all the comments regarding the colour of the new H Pod. To your average Mac owner it doesnt look that flash and doesnt look like a mac product, because it is not supposed to. It is coloured to look like a re badged HP product hence following the consistency of appearance
 
Originally posted by MCCFR
Here in the UK, if HP can get iPod available consistently in PC World - think CompUSA without the intelligence - Apple will see a tangible benefit.

CompUSA without what intelligence?;)
 
Originally posted by Steven1621
why apple why? why are they doing this? you can get the ipod for windows. why make an hp version??????? it is so damn ugly, just like hp's. ahhhh!

Yes you can get iPod for windows but only if you choose to download it from Apples website which means that
a you know about it
b you want to down load it onto your PC
That group of people would be fairly small.

By making an HP version which is loaded at the time of production by the manufacturer the customer has the decision made for them as to which media player they use. this also means that they then have to get an H Pod when they want to take their music with them. It Also means that the 110,000 distribution channels world wide that HP has will be selling HP PCs with iTunes installed .

With regards to the colourof the H Pod, it look s great next to a beige PC

That is how Bill Gates got Windows into every PC on the Planet. he did a deal with IBM to put Windows on every IBM PC so when the customer bought a PC the choice of operating system was made for them and IBM with their huge distribution channels made sure the world got its PCs.
 
Originally posted by D0ct0rteeth
...Much better public speaker than that damn Microsoft girl at MACworld SF who "attemted" to demo Microsoft Office 2004 :)...

OMG, that was AWFUL!!! i was actually getting embarassed for her. it was like watching a comedian bomb on stage. you could hear crickets in that audience. she looked as though she'd never talked in front of a crowd in her life. that lame ass memorized speech, ugh, she was fighting to get through it. and i didn't care much for that guy demoing Word either. he was a little too "chipper sales guy" for me. why did the Microsoft people come off like used car salesman and all the Apple guys were mellow, well dressed, casual and cool?
 
Originally posted by tjwett
OMG, that was AWFUL!!! i was actually getting embarassed for her. it was like watching a comedian bomb on stage. ....why did the Microsoft people come off like used car salesman and all the Apple guys were mellow, well dressed, casual and cool?
Thats easy. One group comes from Kalifornia (J/K), the other comes from...somewhere else. :D
 
re color

Originally posted by yoman
maybe the color Carly showed was just the prototype color. :) Better Color in real model. (Hopefully)

the blue is the same blue that the hewlett packard lettering is in there trademark. they also use that blue on some of their computers (although looking at the HP store, none seem to have it now.). I think the color is okay. It is more low key. For some, low key is boring, for others it makes the ipod feel more like a tool and less like an icon. I think the white ipod seems a little too showy for a lot of people, particularly the type of person who would buy an HP computer.
 
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