Huawei Boosts Goal of Outselling iPhone as AT&T Agrees to Carry Its Upcoming Flagship

[ToroidalZeus]

Do you mean to say that five years in the future Chinese cars will be symbols of class, quality and status, costing way above other cars that perform the same mechanical functions? Really?

Go back to 2007, are you saying 5 years from now RIMM will be dead? Really?

I don't think Chinese phones will dethrone Apple but I could see them hurting the company bad depending on the price points and quality. Apple's main advantage is brand imagine if that starts fading then the company will be under more competition.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Would LOVE to have this phone on Verizon.

But you don't know WHAT model it is! This picture screams of a 2 yr old Huawei phone. Arcticle seems preliminary and doesn't mention the model at all.

Huawei is no more competition for the iPhone than Samsung or LG... it's just another Android phone manufacturer.

It IS competition for other Android manufacturers. In the US at least, most of the dust has settled and you're either in the iPhone camp or the Android camp. iPhone users aren't going to switch to Huawei phones any more than they are to Samsung phones. They might, however, switch to Huawei from Samsung.

Really?! LMAO

IF it's not running iOS nor revenue from sales it's a competitor to Apple!!

For what the phone fully offers then YES you better believe the price value will be heavily considered by Apple/iPhone users. At the current retail pricing and restrictions to frequency to contract upgrades in North America then sooner or later iPhone/Apple users - especially those not fully entrenched into iCloud/Apple ecosystem will consider feature over feature and price lower than price for said Android models over iOS.

I doubt Apple cares at all. And I don't either.

That's a pretty negative thought. the fallacy of which is why Apple is STILL so slow to implement features into iOS comparartively over the Android competition while paying (both salary and stock investments that vest) to their top executive Frederigi for such pale comparison.

Ever hear an iOS user state "I'm bored of iOS"?! That's cause they've outlived the "feature phone" features of the phone and want to multi-task in true form - and NOT just in iOS11 on their iPad!!!!
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Since when does Apple care about significant market share? They're content with 90% of the global PROFIT share.

And that is affected by 70% of their revenue from 1 product that is increasingly coming under fire: competition, features, and pricing.

Why doesn't Apple offer a deal on the iPhone 7 models if I spend $2800 on a MBP 13" TB model just released if I have the cash RIGHT NOW to spend on BOTH!!! I just got a used Sony Xperia Z5 Compact because its the only Android manufacturer I trust and makes the screen size I want! It's 2yrs old but it does what I need - IF I CAN get it to work with my provider arrrgh.

But I'm not going to buy an iPhone 6S/7, MBP 13 TB, and Apple Watch Nike+ if Apple doesn't make me a deal and discounts ... that's over $3500 of my hard earned dollars!

 

[44267547]

Hey AT&T, I'd love to have my Huawei phone bundled with Communist Party spy-ware apps too, please.

Source? Or provide a link for other members to read based on your claim.

 

[drinkingtea]

It's not about being made in China, it's about a Chinese company potentially having access to my data.

China doesn't care enough about you, boo, to even bother with accessing your data, so there really isn't anything to worry about.

 

[kdarling]

The problem for AT&T is the service is crappy. When AT&T first added the iPhone they had the best service.

No. Verizon had almost completely deployed 3G by then.

AT&T was stuck building out faster 2G for the first iPhone model.

 

[Zeiocdb]

It's not about being made in China, it's about a Chinese company potentially having access to my data.

When you connect to a public wifi your iphone is vulnerable like any smartphone. iPhone is secure when its OFF.

 

[tongxinshe]

Go back to 2007, are you saying 5 years from now RIMM will be dead? Really?

Actually I did, right after Google announced Android.
But, at the same time I said Apple would no longer be of a big dent in the smartphone market in 10-15 years. I have to admit I was too aggressive in this part of the prediction.

 

[raghu8912]

So you don't like the Chinese-made iPhone?

There is a difference between "Made in China", "Designed in US, Assembled in China".
iPhone might be assembled in China, but Apple has total control over the quality of the product.
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Huawei make the hardware, well at least the upgrade to the Masts 3G>4G for EE 4G cells (EE largest mobile network in UK).

I have a Huawei 4G wifi router as I cant get landline broadband where I live.

So I rely on Huawei for internet access 100%

Huawei have the knowledge of the workings of the mobile network and infrastructure so I'd say they're well placed to challenge Apple & Samsung in smartphone sales.

Nokia has better understanding of how GSM network works (They started it & own a lot of patents) but they failed as smartphone company, it all depends on how you put a product together & how good is the user experience.

 

[Bacillus]

Do you mean to say that five years in the future Chinese cars will be symbols of class, quality and status, costing way above other cars that perform the same mechanical functions? Really?

They will not exactly match Ferrari (neither does Apple) but they will move faster than anyone, including the original poster and the Apple Board, are willing to concede.
They are in attacking mode, like Apple was 8..10 years ago. And Apple is defensive and too big to (really) innovate at the pace of the competition. It's sad but that's the difference.

 

[Michael Scrip]

With the increase of their brand awareness, they will sell more and more of their high-end flagship phones, eating up into the premier market that Apple mostly dominates.

Unless you're one of us crazy people who actually like iOS and the Apple ecosystem.

 

[polterbyte]

Go back to 2007, are you saying 5 years from now RIMM will be dead? Really?

What I would have never guessed in a million years would be, say, Radioshack killing RIMM. Apple? I wouldn't have said the emphatic "NO!" you seem to be expecting. And that's my point: not that Apple can't be dethroned, but that Chinese products — not being synonym to quality — can do it. Not in five years, anyway.

I don't think Chinese phones will dethrone Apple but I could see them hurting the company bad depending on the price points and quality. Apple's main advantage is brand imagine if that starts fading then the company will be under more competition.

While running Android I don't think anyone can achieve the hardware/software integration that Apple has right now — which grants it its quality advantage —, except for Google itself. Either than that, Apple would have to, say, sell two or three yearly lines of exploding phones in order for it to lose its grasp on the high-end market.
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They will not exactly match Ferrari (neither does Apple)...

Hardwarewise, you are right: Apple is not Ferrari (although it comes close, like Samsung does as well). Hardware-software-integrationwise? Here Apple reigns supreme, unchallenged, since everyone else (either than Google) is running someone else's OS.

They are in attacking mode, like Apple was 8..10 years ago. And Apple is defensive and too big to (really) innovate at the pace of the competition. It's sad but that's the difference.

Yup, they sure are. I see China nowadays as Japan was in the 1970s: fast paced, locked and loaded, having put a big fat target on the USAs back. They sure disrupted American markets in the 80s — especially in the automotive industry. Yes, I can see Apple suffering the same heat. The difference is that they may have learned from that particular piece of History, and, of course, they have a few bucks to their name that could make a difference.

 

[Syk]

No. Verizon had almost completely deployed 3G by then.

AT&T was stuck building out faster 2G for the first iPhone model.

Didn't Apple offer the iPhone to Verizon as an exclusive and they turn them down so they then went to AT&T?

 

[Bacillus]

What I would have never guessed in a million years would be, say, Radioshack killing RIMM. Apple? I wouldn't have said the emphatic "NO!" you seem to be expecting. And that's my point: not that Apple can't be dethroned, but that Chinese products — not being synonym to quality — can do it. Not in five years, anyway.
While running Android I don't think anyone can achieve the hardware/software integration that Apple has right now — which grants it its quality advantage —, except for Google itself. Either than that, Apple would have to, say, sell two or three yearly lines of exploding phones in order for it to lose its grasp on the high-end market.
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Hardwarewise, you are right: Apple is not Ferrari (although it comes close, like Samsung does as well). Hardware-software-integrationwise? Here Apple reigns supreme, unchallenged, since everyone else (either than Google) is running someone else's OS. Yup, they sure are. I see China nowadays as Japan was in the 1970s: fast paced, locked and loaded, having put a big fat target on the USAs back. They sure disrupted American markets in the 80s — especially in the automotive industry. Yes, I can see Apple suffering the same heat. The difference is that they may have learned from that particular piece of History, and, of course, they have a few bucks to their name that could make a difference.

Agree. I am convinced they feel the heat, and know the Japanese history, but their corporate aura/supremacy impede's them to admit.
iOS is vastly superior and a far richer environment also because of its (health/car/home) libraries, but the Chinese know how to dissect it.
Its closed architecture is a competitive disadvantage (unless Apple know how to play the privacy card, tht might give them a very long lasting advantage)
Anyway the techn. gap narrows and iOS already has started to borrow Droid elements.
Apple has a great position because of its patents, but we know how that's being abided in the Far East..

 

[LovingTeddy]

It's not about being made in China, it's about a Chinese company potentially having access to my data.

You are saying Apple doesn't have you data?

And explain to me why are Chinese so interestwd with your data?

Anyway, I am enjoying my Huawei Honor 8, Nova Plus and P10. Very nice phone with good price, unlike Apple's rip off

 

[mdelvecchio]

Maybe you don't care about Huawei, but they are a direct competitor for Apple, especially in the Chinese market, where Apple has not been able to get a significant market share.

No, it’s quite significant. Not the top, but still a success. Much better than those chinese knockoffs are doing in the US.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

Didn't Apple offer the iPhone to Verizon as an exclusive and they turn them down so they then went to AT&T?

they wanted a cut of the revenue from service too. that's why Verizon said no. also maybe bloatware too?

 

[dk001]

They make a very good product at a good price. If they can get a foothold and expand on it here, I can see it turning into a three way race with Apple and Samsung both giving up some market share. The leader for the more affordable high end device.

 

[Syk]

they wanted a cut of the revenue from service too. that's why Verizon said no. also maybe bloatware too?

Wonder if Verizon regretted that decision.

 

[Analog Kid]

IF it's not running iOS nor revenue from sales it's a competitor to Apple!!

For what the phone fully offers then YES you better believe the price value will be heavily considered by Apple/iPhone users. At the current retail pricing and restrictions to frequency to contract upgrades in North America then sooner or later iPhone/Apple users - especially those not fully entrenched into iCloud/Apple ecosystem will consider feature over feature and price lower than price for said Android models over iOS.

Huawei is much more of a competitor to Samsung than Apple. For the most part, the competition is Android vs. iOS, and then within Android.

Sure, it's a package deal with the hardware, so enough competition amongst Android licensees may bring handset prices down and cause some people to leave iOS, but there's not a lot of room for that to happen. There are already many players in the Android space, so one more isn't really going to cut into rents. That can be seen by how little profit is going to the Android players. Apple has 80% of the profits in the market, Samsung had something like 15%, and Huawei had something like 1.5%. Manufacturing is already global, so Samsung probably can't reduce manufacturing costs. If Samsung starts cutting the margins of their highest end phones to compete with Huawei, it will disproportionally affect their profit because most of their 15% is coming from the top end devices.

So Samsung is caught between Huawei and a loss. Maybe Huawei turns out to be another LG or other bit player, and Samsung can brush them off, but there's not much room to cut prices and try and take iOS users.

And Apple will benefit from any technical innovations from the infighting because Samsung is an iPhone supplier. At some point, Samsung may just decide being a component maker is more profitable than selling assemblies.

 

[jeremiah256]

Huawei is my favorite Android manufacturer ATM. They make extremely high quality phones for the price and have adapted their Android skin, EMUI, from a ****** iOS clone into a pretty sensible, minimal, adaptable skin that adds useful features. and has been improving on the software and hardware side at a far faster clip than either Apple or Samsung.

Mobile OSes will evolve to be more open with much less reliance on native apps. Once the lock-in incentive is gone, Apple is going to lose a lot of customers just like MS did in the mid 2000s when web 2.0 apps like Facebook, GMail, YouTube and Google's suite of office tools meant people were doing most of their work in a cross platform browser. Once that reality penetrates the mind of hte average consumer, expect these more aggressive, experimental companies like Xiaomi and Huawei to encroach on Apple's near monopoly of premium device sales.

There are already plenty of great Android phones available. Some reasons I don’t switch is:

- ease of use and the way the iPhone integrates with my iPad and Mac.

- Customer service. Apple Care and having access to Apple Stores on a global basis.

- I trust iOS and Apple with my security more than any other vendor.

- dependability. I get updates on Apple’s schedule, not AT&T’s. Also no fluff on my phone from carriers.

- Innovations. Apple is consistently pushing the industry forward with innovations on their phones.

I don’t believe I’m unique in the reasons I stick with the iPhone. Any vendor would have an up hill battle convincing me to swap.

 

[Klyster]

- Innovations. Apple is consistently pushing the industry forward with innovations on their phones.

I agree with the rest of your post but I find the quoted bit a bit hard to swallow.
Where has the industry been pushed forward by Apple's innovation?

I kinda see it the other way round....

 

[pioneer9k]

I just watched a review of the P10 and it honestly made me want to use android. I tried an HTC One a few years back for two weeks and didn't like it, but this thing genuinely looked awesome.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Huawei is much more of a competitor to Samsung than Apple. For the most part, the competition is Android vs. iOS, and then within Android.

Sure, it's a package deal with the hardware, so enough competition amongst Android licensees may bring handset prices down and cause some people to leave iOS, but there's not a lot of room for that to happen. There are already many players in the Android space, so one more isn't really going to cut into rents. That can be seen by how little profit is going to the Android players. Apple has 80% of the profits in the market, Samsung had something like 15%, and Huawei had something like 1.5%. Manufacturing is already global, so Samsung probably can't reduce manufacturing costs. If Samsung starts cutting the margins of their highest end phones to compete with Huawei, it will disproportionally affect their profit because most of their 15% is coming from the top end devices.

So Samsung is caught between Huawei and a loss. Maybe Huawei turns out to be another LG or other bit player, and Samsung can brush them off, but there's not much room to cut prices and try and take iOS users.

And Apple will benefit from any technical innovations from the infighting because Samsung is an iPhone supplier. At some point, Samsung may just decide being a component maker is more profitable than selling assemblies.

We need to be careful throwing that percentage around so vaguely: "Apple has 80% of the profits in the market". Just exactly what 80% of profits in the market means?
Application profits (apps for sale/freemium)?
Device profits?
^ careful on this one because Samsung came VERY close last quarter vs Apple of their own S8/S8+ model.
Accessorie profits?

Honestly I think this 80% profits is vague without proper relevance or defining it in context, at least to me it is. Regarding device profits ... let's divide Apple iOS revenue /or/ Profits by the number of Android competitors in the top 5 and you'll see the 'profits' is all relative; I'm presuming since the Android manufacturer pie is sub-divided while iOS there is no division. Also note for Accessories ... Apple owns Beats product lineup so those profits maybe co-mingled, no?

Samsung can greatly increase their profits and lower manufaturing costs:
Kill the Galaxy "J" and other sub Galaxy lineup models into 3 main tiers.
Low cost = low feature set
medium range
high end (becomes the fashion and rugged lineup aka S8 Active).
Samsung makes FAR too many sub-model of phones its ridiculous. Once they realize this you'll see a real battle wage.

I do however see your point about iOS users, those entrenched not leaving for Android. I've already tried a 4th time this week and I'm finding a LOT of things just comparitively horrible or missing app for app feature for feature.

 

[Analog Kid]

We need to be careful throwing that percentage around so vaguely: "Apple has 80% of the profits in the market". Just exactly what 80% of profits in the market means?
Application profits (apps for sale/freemium)?
Device profits?
^ careful on this one because Samsung came VERY close last quarter vs Apple of their own S8/S8+ model.
Accessorie profits?

Honestly I think this 80% profits is vague without proper relevance or defining it in context, at least to me it is. Regarding device profits ... let's divide Apple iOS revenue /or/ Profits by the number of Android competitors in the top 5 and you'll see the 'profits' is all relative; I'm presuming since the Android manufacturer pie is sub-divided while iOS there is no division. Also note for Accessories ... Apple owns Beats product lineup so those profits maybe co-mingled, no?

Samsung can greatly increase their profits and lower manufaturing costs:
Kill the Galaxy "J" and other sub Galaxy lineup models into 3 main tiers.
Low cost = low feature set
medium range
high end (becomes the fashion and rugged lineup aka S8 Active).
Samsung makes FAR too many sub-model of phones its ridiculous. Once they realize this you'll see a real battle wage.

I do however see your point about iOS users, those entrenched not leaving for Android. I've already tried a 4th time this week and I'm finding a LOT of things just comparitively horrible or missing app for app feature for feature.

Apple Captured 79% of Global Smartphone Profits in 2016

79% of all the profits made selling smartphones globally (up to the ability of Strategy Analytics' ability to measure it). It's not a relative number, it doesn't include app sales or services, it's hardware sales which is what Huawei is competing with Samsung for.

I can't tell you the top 5 Android sellers, but the KH article gives the top 4: Samsung 14.6%, Huawei 1.6%, OPPO 1.5% and Vivo 1.3%.

If Apple continues to suck 80% of the money out of the market, then more competitors for the 20% are just going to hurt the existing players.

 

[kdarling]

Didn't Apple offer the iPhone to Verizon as an exclusive and they turn them down so they then went to AT&T?

Apple was already talking to ATT (Cingular), but of course it would make sense to get on Verizon as well. In fact, look what happened when they didn't: Android got a huge foothold on every other US carrier.

When approached by Apple in mid 2005, Verizon didn't turn them down so much as simply not express much interest. And who can blame them:

Consider that when they were approached, it was all just an idea. One based on iPods at the time. And the only other Apple related phone which came later, the ROKR, was horrible.

Still, Verizon has said that they had nothing against the idea of an Apple phone, but couldn't agree on terms:

- Apple wouldn't let Verizon's sales partners such as Best Buy carry the device. (Ironically, nowadays even Walmart and Radio Shack do.)

- Apple wanted to control all warranty decisions. Verizon likes to offer insurance. (This seems to be changing now at ATT.)

- Apple didn't want to allow customer subsidies. (Again, that changed later.)

Plus all Verizon smartphones at the time had 3G and GPS. Apple ended up going cheap with EDGE and no GPS at first.

All in all, it must not have sounded like much of a deal. Even AT&T, who had known about the idea months before Verizon, didn't sign a contract with Apple for another year after Verizon was first approached (not until mid 2006 halfway through development). So nobody rushed to pick up Apple's phone.