Huawei Closing in Fast on Apple in Smartphone Sales According to Latest Estimate

[5105973]

Tim cook is in china a little to much.

Actually, he's in China ineffectively from the perspective of increasing market share. There was a forum member on a different thread a week or two ago who explained that it's not that the iPhone itself that's lost appeal but how poorly Apple's services work in China. I don't remember exactly what he or she said but apparently email does not work well on an iPhone there among other necessary functions we take for granted as working well here.

And my discussions with another Chinese forum member show it is just about impossible for freedom loving Americans (though my mom is an Asian immigrant) to grasp how different the Chinese mindset is and how they actually embrace their system of collective identity that we shudder away from. So it is very important for Tim to actually invest more in hiring native Chinese to oversee anything Apple is doing over there.

He seemed to think throwing billions into Didi and investing so much in facilities and jobs would signal a commitment to China that would yield some return loyalty or some form of reciprocity. At least that's the way it seems to me from what he's said--I am not his psychic friend so I don't know for sure that's what he was thinking.

At any rate investing in their factories and their ride share businesses means nothing to them. It might mean something to their government but it means nothing to consumers. Consumers want a product that is a good value for their money and works well with whatever needs they have specific to their culture. Clearly, Apple hasn't provided that in China.

Tim himself as a mouthpiece for Apple does speak as though he is more bullish on China than he is on the USA. I find that a bit off putting, personally, but again, I'm not completely sure what he actually thinks so I will just keep on buying Apple products as long as they meet my needs well.

 

[Feenician]

Not to mention that in the old days, Apple fans were actually delighted to be a minority.

At just 15% of the market with iPhone, according to IDC, "Apple fans" still are in a minority. In any case the point seems like rather a non-sequitur in relation to Abazigal's post, which expressed no opinion on that matter one way or the other.

 

[Nipommu]

Good data right there. My thoughts on Huawei is that its peaked. The vast majority of people that buys Huawei is...guess who? The Chinese. Where? In China. Why? Dirty cheap. Just like everything else that is popular in China will have significant market share. Why? Population. But the story will end there because thats how it always has been. Name me a single consumer product that is widely popular on a global scale? You can't do it because there is nothing.

I'm not saying this is it for Huawei, I'm saying 99.9% of any popular, upcoming product from China will fade. So chances are, this one will not be any different. Remember there was a time when OnePlus, HTC, and some other Chinese manufacturers to be the iPhone killer. What happened? They all faded.

But competition is good. This is good. Apple may not be scared but they better make the best damn iPhones to come in the future. Plus Android is pure ****.

 

[LordVic]

Better design and quality? Where's Huawei's OS? Where's Huawei's custom SoCs? You can't omit those things from design and quality considerations. Huawei doesn't even attempt to include them.

Huawei uses their own ARM CPU's, which they Fab from their own Foundry (HiSilicon). the Kirin 960 processor is their current flagship CPU, which is based on the big>LITTLE 8 core design, with 4 Cortex-A73 and 4 Cortex-A53 cores. it's not quite A10 levels of performance, But it's one of the better Android CPU's.

Huawei also uses their own "skin" of Android and not stock android.

so yeah. Not a single one of your points is true.

I'm not saying that Huawei is the best, or even up there. But they make good quality hardware. Though, with the P10, if I wanted an iPhone, I'd buy an iPhone, not the closest clone that HUawei could dream up

 

[JPack]

Holy Schnikes! This comment has enough condescension for the condescension to become sentient.
Apple is in India because it's middle class is huge and growing. Some estimates place India's middle class population higher than the entire individual population of every European country.

Not even close unfortunately.

If you define India's "middle class" as one step above poverty, then yes, India has a high middle class population.

If you want to look at buying power, consider in 2016, the Indian population purchased 3 million cars. In the same year, Chinese purchased 28 million cars and Americans around 18 million.

There's a reason why Tim Cook and Luca Maestri used the word "China" nearly 20 times in their earnings call yesterday and said "India" only twice.

Pew Research Center: Poverty Retreats in India, but the Middle Class Barely Expands

 

[LordVic]

ANYONE who gets a Android OS...I don't care who the maker is....is a FOOL! Apple is the only phone that has a secure OS.....you'd think that'd be an important distinction if you had any smarts!

funny that you're saying this, Because again. untrue.

maybe if you made this claim in 2009... but today? foolish statement

 

[ani4ani]

Why would or should Apple be looking over their shoulders? That sounds like marketing gibberish where someone is applying that someone that is doing better than themselves is in a much tighter spot than they really are so to make themselves look in a better light than what really is the case.

Sure, if Apple sold 100% of the phones in the world it would be great for them. But Apple is still making records on their iPhone's every quarter. The sales doesn't seem to be slowing down, while their profits seems to keep increasing. Why should they feel nervous? It seems like this is bigger issue for other Android manufactures as they have to grab sales from somewhere and they don't seem to be grabbing that many iPhone customers as Apple is still going strong despite Huawei having great increases in sales.

When 60% of your business is derived directly by a phone and probably 80% of your business indirectly linked to a phone [i.e. apps, itunes, headphones etc all linked to owning that phone] and it is basically your sole product, you better worry about it when someone picks a competitor's product over yours. All this baloney that they are just don't care about market share is just that...baloney - they know that every sale that a competitor acquires is a phone they don't sell and the reality is, the smartphone market is still growing [albeit slower than in the past] and in key markets [China etc], iphone sales are dropping and at best remaining stagnant - they should be worried and I suspect they are and they should be looking over their shoulders and they probably are.

 

[JPack]

Good data right there. My thoughts on Huawei is that its peaked. The vast majority of people that buys Huawei is...guess who? The Chinese. Where? In China. Why? Dirty cheap. Just like everything else that is popular in China will have significant market share. Why? Population. But the story will end there because thats how it always has been. Name me a single consumer product that is widely popular on a global scale? You can't do it because there is nothing.

I'm not saying this is it for Huawei, I'm saying 99.9% of any popular, upcoming product from China will fade. So chances are, this one will not be any different. Remember there was a time when OnePlus, HTC, and some other Chinese manufacturers to be the iPhone killer. What happened? They all faded.

But competition is good. This is good. Apple may not be scared but they better make the best damn iPhones to come in the future. Plus Android is pure ****.

It sounds like you haven't traveled anywhere before.

Look at the Huawei market share in Europe, Latin America, and SE Asia.

There's a reason why Huawei is ranked higher than Tesla in Interbrand's Top 100 Global Brands.

 

[ani4ani]

ANYONE who gets a Android OS...I don't care who the maker is....is a FOOL! Apple is the only phone that has a secure OS.....you'd think that'd be an important distinction if you had any smarts!

The only fool here my friend is you if you really believe that!

 

[Mousse]

Apple has the edge on brand recognition but Huawei has better design, quality and value that's why the local Chinese phones are outselling the foreign Chinese phones like iPhones.

Design is subjective. Quality is lower since they use less expensive material and there is no weather sealing (I lost an Honor 5x to a toddler dunking it in the sink). Value is way, way better. It's one of the best bang for the buck, rubble for the ruble on the market.

The UI stinks (highly subjective) though easy to fix with a custom ROM or installing Google Now Launcher. I guess the Chinese consumers love the Emotion UI, since everyone in I know who owns one (US customers) love the hardware but hate the software.

 

[ahireasu]

Being "Top"means nothing. But "Best"means everything. iPhone is not for everyone, it's for those who want the best.

Do you care to back this statement ?
Best in what?
Screen?No,
Processor?No
Memory?No
Battery?No
And this is just the hardware,the iPhone is overpriced and anyone that doesn't see that is blind or worst, we have the top voted post actually boasting that apple has the biggest profits even though the sales are not like this money go into your pockets,No this means apple sales that costs 200$ at 1000$ + while the others sale into more reasonable prices(and to those that will say there is more than the price of HD in the game I will respond so does for the others).

 

[kdarling]

At just 15% of the market with iPhone, according to IDC, "Apple fans" still are in a minority.

I said, used to love being in the minority. iPhone fans (which I don't really count as Apple fans) seem to want to brag about sales or profit.

In any case the point seems like rather a non-sequitur in relation to Abazigal's post, which expressed no opinion on that matter one way or the other.

Ah. Perhaps it wasn't clear that I was agreeing with his view that people like him wouldn't switch phone brands no matter what. Probably left too much unwritten.

 

[Allthings-I]

Is @MacRumors using a non-P10 photo? I can't find a P10 unit with no touch ID on the front and just "HUAWEI" written on it lol

 

[I7guy]

Do you care to back this statement ?
Best in what?
Screen?No,
Processor?No
Memory?No
Battery?No
And this is just the hardware,the iPhone is overpriced and anyone that doesn't see that is blind or worst, we have the top voted post actually boasting that apple has the biggest profits even though the sales are not like this money go into your pockets,No this means apple sales that costs 200$ at 1000$ + while the others sale into more reasonable prices(and to those that will say there is more than the price of HD in the game I will respond so does for the others).

Well not really:
- battery efficiency yes
- custom soc yes
- screens yes (well I dislike the current gen of oled screens)
- overpriced subjective

By whose yardstick, I buy what's best for me and to me that is the best.
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I said, used to love being in the minority. iPhone fans (which I don't really count as Apple fans) seem to want to brag about sales or profit.



Ah. Perhaps it wasn't clear that I was agreeing with his view that people like him wouldn't switch phone brands no matter what. Probably left too much unwritten.

Ahh, android fans brag about market share for sure.

 

[bchreng]

There is nothing special about any Android brand that might retain repeat customers.

A lot of them are cheap and look like iPhones. Probably good enough to succeed in China's market.

 

[tongxinshe]

There's a market for everyone. Being on the top 3 or 4 is good enough to please most of the world's demands.
Neither Apple or Samsung can please everybody.
Huawei sells cheap phones, so that increases their number of units shipped. We just don't know how many of those units are comparable to the iPhone models Apple shipped and comparable Samsung models.
In other words, this Report is just about counting beans, not actual revenue.

Wrong, Huawei's pricing model is very similar to Samsung -- a lot of low-mid priced phones sold, but at the same time a lot of high-end phones sold as well, and, their fames are mostly built upon their high-end models. To Samsung it's Galaxy S8 and the upcoming Note 8. To Huawei it's P10 and the upcoming Mate 10.

 

[kdarling]

Ahh, android fans brag about market share for sure.

I believe you. In fact, anywhere there's a bunch of testosterone filled males on the internet, there is bragging

 

[Feenician]

I said, used to love being in the minority. iPhone fans (which I don't really count as Apple fans) seem to want to brag about sales or profit.

How does bragging about sales or profit speak to anyone's view on being in the minority? They are different measures.

The new iPhone fans you decry with a No True Scotsmen fallacy are the first who had the opportunity to "brag about sales or profit" for a long time. In order to test whether the "true" Apple fans would have done so there would have to have been sales or profit worth bragging about.

What even is it you want for the iPhone here? Would you prefer Apple made it worse so fewer people had it so you could be in an even smaller minority? Why? You seem to imply the products success devalues it's customers. I'm not clear on your end game here.

 

[mudflap]

Apple has the edge on brand recognition but Huawei has better design, quality and value that's why the local Chinese phones are outselling the foreign Chinese phones like iPhones.

Really? Better design and quality? Seeing as they ripped off the iPhone almost exactly?

 

[Northbynorthwest]

Apple has the edge on brand recognition but Huawei has better design, quality and value that's why the local Chinese phones are outselling the foreign Chinese phones like iPhones.

Why would I ever want to buy a Chinese phone? I don't want those people tracking my movements and calls.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Actually, he's in China ineffectively from the perspective of increasing market share. There was a forum member on a different thread a week or two ago who explained that it's not that the iPhone itself that's lost appeal but how poorly Apple's services work in China. I don't remember exactly what he or she said but apparently email does not work well on an iPhone there among other necessary functions we take for granted as working well here.

And my discussions with another Chinese forum member show it is just about impossible for freedom loving Americans (though my mom is an Asian immigrant) to grasp how different the Chinese mindset is and how they actually embrace their system of collective identity that we shudder away from. So it is very important for Tim to actually invest more in hiring native Chinese to oversee anything Apple is doing over there.

He seemed to think throwing billions into Didi and investing so much in facilities and jobs would signal a commitment to China that would yield some return loyalty or some form of reciprocity. At least that's the way it seems to me from what he's said--I am not his psychic friend so I don't know for sure that's what he was thinking.

At any rate investing in their factories and their ride share businesses means nothing to them. It might mean something to their government but it means nothing to consumers. Consumers want a product that is a good value for their money and works well with whatever needs they have specific to their culture. Clearly, Apple hasn't provided that in China.

Tim himself as a mouthpiece for Apple does speak as though he is more bullish on China than he is on the USA. I find that a bit off putting, personally, but again, I'm not completely sure what he actually thinks so I will just keep on buying Apple products as long as they meet my needs well.

Perhaps Apple services are being sabotaged in china?

 

[tongxinshe]

Better design and quality? Where's Huawei's OS? Where's Huawei's custom SoCs? You can't omit those things from design and quality considerations. Huawei doesn't even attempt to include them.

Your reply illustrates your wrong attitude -- argue without trying to understand the topic, but only relying on your own assumption. Unlike most of the other Android phone brands who use only Qualcomm SoCs or mostly unmodified / unoptimized ARM design, Huawei has its own optimized chips that perform at a very similar level to Apple's chips.

 

[Hastings101]

Well they've come a long way from being a sketchy bargain brand in the West anyway, so I'm looking forward to see how they grow in the next couple of years

 

[lazard]

I'm not saying this is it for Huawei, I'm saying 99.9% of any popular, upcoming product from China will fade. So chances are, this one will not be any different. Remember there was a time when OnePlus, HTC, and some other Chinese manufacturers to be the iPhone killer. What happened? They all faded.

Because manufacturers like OnePlus and HTC don't have the resources like Huawei to compete with the juggernauts like Apple and Samsung.

 

[Synchromesh]

Every time I hold one of the Android phones in my hand a thought pops up in my mind immediately: cheap Chinese junk heap. Sure, the higher end phones are a little bit nice but a lot of them try to imitate iPhone because they know who's the king. So until Chinese companies make a quality product at the right price, I'll stick with iPhone. But I don't think they will because they just know how to make cheap Chinese junk and nothing else.