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During one of my trips to China last year a friend of mine who is a non-iPhone heathen drug me into a shop that was selling these phones.

I have to say, from just looking at the phone and handling it, it seemed like very high build quality and a fantastic screen.
Remember you were drugged though so you may not have been fully conscious
 
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Pixel is priced like the iPhone but without the dual lens, stereo speakers, water resistance, secure enclave, faster performance, 3D Touch, wide gamut color display, leading design, etc. It's essentially a Nexus with a huge price bump and new name; the oldest marketing trick in the book. Nexus was a good value. iPhone is a good value. Pixel, not so much.
Doesn't have the dual lens but it takes nicer photos (and you get unlimited full resolution storage), and it runs Android, which is a huge plus for a lot of people.

I simply don't want a phone without Google Now. The applications I use the most are Google's anyway: Photos, Inbox, Maps. All better than Apple's alternatives.

The iPhone is as far away from good value as possible. I have a Huawei P9, which I bought for less than half the price of an iPhone 7. For that I get a 5.2" screen instead of 4.7", a fantastic dual-camera setup, superb build quality (looks and feels way nicer than an iPhone), great battery life, it's very fast and smooth etc. And since I can put an SD card in it, I have as much memory as I need. By the way, it has a better fingerprint reader too.

That's good value, not the iPhone, at nearly $900 with lesser hardware, and a stilted OS to boot. I don't give a toss about "stereo speakers" (let's be serious), "3D touch" (the most unimaginative, unintuitive and generally useless feature put on a phone) or "water resistance" that's not covered by warranty. It's not "leading design" either, it's a tired old design with huge bezels and small screens.

As for fighting fragmentation, that's not why Pixel exists. It exists solely for the purpose of increasing revenues in the face of slowing ad revenue (hence the rebrand marketing trick). Android has been a money pit so they're aping Apple's iPhone business model, right down to the design and pricing, creating FURTHER fragmentation in an effort to take a small piece of that multi-billion dollar pie. If Google can generate even $1 billion in profit a quarter from hardware sales, that would be a huge win for them.
Sheer nonsense in every sentence.

Ad revenue is not slowing (just look for the earnings reports), Android has been a huge money maker, Pixel profits are essentially a drop in the ocean for Google.
 
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"Low profit" products are good for the consumer.
Why would you want to buy a high profit product?

To ensure the company stays around long enough to continue making great products that I want to use.

Just ask pebble. How are those low margins doing for consumers who now no longer have a company to continue providing support and updates?

Alternatively, look at the number of companies who won't release android wear devices because it just isn't profitable?

My Apple Watch is not cheap, but I can be certain that Apple will continue to support the Apple Watch with continued software updates. I see it as an investment of sorts. They cost more upfront, but more than pay for themselves in the form of improved productivity and fewer problems overall.
 
To ensure the company stays around long enough to continue making great products that I want to use.
Or you're just being taken for a ride by a company who makes huge (some would say excessive) profits while actually providing very poor value for money. I would take no solace in that.
 
Or you're just being taken for a ride by a company who makes huge (some would say excessive) profits while actually providing very poor value for money. I would take no solace in that.

I can't speak for other people, but I know that my Apple products are working very well for me.

Writing on an iPad Pro with Apple Pencil in the classroom while it is mirrored to the whiteboard via an Apple TV. Triaging notifications with an Apple Watch. Airpods switching seamlessly amongst all my Apple devices. That still-gorgeous 27" display of my 2011 iMac. The tight-knit integration of the Apple ecosystem (continuity, iCloud Photo Library, maps, Apple Pay, well-designed apps, just to name a few).

I see myself remaining a happy and satisfied Apple user for a good many years to come.
 
I can't speak for other people, but I know that my Apple products are working very well for me.

Writing on an iPad Pro with Apple Pencil in the classroom while it is mirrored to the whiteboard via an Apple TV. Triaging notifications with an Apple Watch. Airpods switching seamlessly amongst all my Apple devices. That still-gorgeous 27" display of my 2011 iMac. The tight-knit integration of the Apple ecosystem (continuity, iCloud Photo Library, maps, Apple Pay, well-designed apps, just to name a few).

I see myself remaining a happy and satisfied Apple user for a good many years to come.
My non-Apple products are working even better for me, and I don't pay a fortune for them.

You have Apple TV, I have an nVidia Shield, which does everything your Apple TV does, plus streams games from my PC, has apps such as Kodi (so I can watch stuff from my NAS), Netflix, Crunchyroll etc. I also have Chromecasts in every other TV in the house, so I can stream Netflix from my phone everywhere.

My Sony MDR-XB950BT are several leagues over your, frankly, ridiculous looking Airpods and their bargain-basement sound quality.

The gorgeous 5k 27" display on my desk beats the living lights out of your 27" iMac. Plus, it's connected to a computer that's way faster, more capable, fully expandable, user serviceable and generally much more useful than your iMac.

The quality of Google applications (Photos, Maps) is leagues beyond their Apple counterparts.

The thought that you paid a lot more to get a lot less simply makes me laugh. You are taken for a ride, and you're deep in Stockholm syndrome territory.
 
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Bends just like this junk.


Do you see the difference in how much effort is applied? The 6p is so weak in its build strength, you can probably bend it by accident and with very little force applied. The 6 was way way better built in that respect.
 
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My non-Apple products are working even better for me, and I don't pay a fortune for them.
This is the classic example of someone blindly rattling numbers off a spec sheet without understanding how they constitute the user experience for the end consumer.

You have Apple TV, I have an nVidia Shield, which does everything your Apple TV does, plus streams games from my PC, has apps such as Kodi (so I can watch stuff from my NAS), Netflix, Crunchyroll etc. I also have Chromecasts in every other TV in the house, so I can stream Netflix from my phone everywhere.

I never said that I used my Apple TV at home for any of those purposes.

Pray show me how you set up a nVidia shield in the classroom, much less mirror an iPad to it without a wifi signal. Where's the mythical tablet which has the battery life, portability and ease of use of the iPad, much less the sublime writing experience afforded by the Apple Pencil?

My Sony MDR-XB950BT are several leagues over your, frankly, ridiculous looking Airpods and their bargain-basement sound quality.
And I don't care.

I have 3 headphones (sennheiser, Sony and Jabra move wireless) prior to owning the Airpods. Since then, I have stopped using them all and have been using the Airpods exclusively.

The dealbreakers for me are its unparalleled portability, ease of pairing and switching of connections, and how they barely make their presence felt in my ears. For me, the best sounding headphones are useless if they aren't comfortable to wear.

The gorgeous 5k 27" display on my desk beats the living lights out of your 27" iMac. Plus, it's connected to a computer that's way faster, more capable, fully expandable, user serviceable and generally much more useful than your iMac.

Again, show me this mythical 5k display which existed in 2011 (which was when I bought my iMac). If I want, I can easily upgrade to a 5k iMac any time, but my current Mac is working very well and in no danger of falling apart anytime soon.

The quality of Google applications (Photos, Maps) is leagues beyond their Apple counterparts.

Maps is good enough in my country that I am comfortable using it over google maps.

Same with google photos. As far as possible, I avoid google services if there is a better alternative possible.

The thought that you paid a lot more to get a lot less simply makes me laugh. You are taken for a ride, and you're deep in Stockholm syndrome territory.
And you can continue to laugh at the knowledge that I am a very happy Apple product user.

The things which matter to you simply don't matter to me.
 
This is the classic example of someone blindly rattling numbers off a spec sheet without understanding how they constitute the user experience for the end consumer.
Except of course I didn't do that, so this is a classic example of koolaid intoxication followed by endlessly parroting some marketing line fed by Apple. Your user experience sucks for me. That's why I don't have an iPhone, an Apple TV, an Apple Watch etc. I have an iPad and it sucks. And I have a new Macbook Pro, which unfortunately I need for work, it's horrendous value for money, and it sucks too.

The things which matter to you simply don't matter to me.
You nailed it buddy. I care about user experience and value for money. You care about status signalling, and I just don't.
 
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The big usue for apple here (in my opinion) is that you can find in other companies like oneplus and huawei (and so many others) mid range phones for a great price/specs. You can get a good phone for almost half the price of an iPhone.
 
Except of course I didn't do that, so this is a classic example of koolaid intoxication followed by endlessly parroting some marketing line fed by Apple. Your user experience sucks for me. That's why I don't have an iPhone, an Apple TV, an Apple Watch etc. I have an iPad and it sucks. And I have a new Macbook Pro, which unfortunately I need for work, it's horrendous value for money, and it sucks too.
That is your problem, not mine.

When did I ever say that my Apple devices were the ideal choice for you? Ironically enough, you are the one trying to convince me that my Apple devices are a poor fit for me, without even bothering to find out, much less understand how I am using them (e.g.: I use an Apple TV in my classroom for the AirPlay mirroring capabilities, yet you go on to rattle about the nvidia shield and netflix and gaming and video streaming. Features that are irrelevant in a classroom setting).

You nailed it buddy. I care about user experience and value for money. You care about status signalling, and I just don't.

This is the part I find bemusing.

I have taken pains to explain to you how my Apple devices have worked well for me, and why I feel they offer great value for money. More so than what is offered by competing alternatives. You continue to assert that I buy Apple products to signal a particular status, and refuse to accept the simple possibility that they are really that good (for me).

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But it's okay. Countless people have completely misunderstood and underestimated Apple as well. To their own chagrin and detriment, they would ultimately realise, as Apple spits defiantly in their faces and continues its ascent all the way to the top.
 
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The big usue for apple here (in my opinion) is that you can find in other companies like oneplus and huawei (and so many others) mid range phones for a great price/specs. You can get a good phone for almost half the price of an iPhone.

Yeah, but two Android phones can't do the stuff I do on an iPhone. So it's kinda a moot point for me.
 
Yeah, but two Android phones can't do the stuff I do on an iPhone. So it's kinda a moot point for me.
Just because I'm interested...What can any phone do that another can't besides be on one particular eco system?
 
Huawei's operating margin is about 14%, with 1/3 revenue from phones and 2/3 revenue from telecommunications equipment, which is their primary bread and butter.

Umm, back of napkin, I'd say they make between $18 and $28 per phone, which is pretty good for a Chinese maker.
Oh, I suppose. Even though Apple makes > 100% of the industry profits. Just shows how much money everyone else is losing, and why we're reading an article about Huawei. They must be figuring at least a little something out.
 
Serious question; would anyone love their iPhone less if Apple became the number 2 smartphone manufacturer?
 
I'm so happy for you. Meanwhile Apple replaced my phone for free, and now the battery lasts about 10 hours with moderate use, 6 hours with heavy use. I don't use Facebook so maybe that helps with battery life too.

Yes, the 30% issue has been a problem for quite a lot of people, but it's being addressed and resolved.

By the way, your battery lasts 2-3... what? I'm going to assume that's hours? That's pretty poor.

I wouldn't trust a Huawei phone as far as I could throw it!
2-3 days.
 
Yeah, but two Android phones can't do the stuff I do on an iPhone. So it's kinda a moot point for me.

I guess everyone has the right to spend their money where they want to. I would get an iPhone but its just to expensive for me right now so i went for an oneplus 3t, its my first android and im loving every bit of it. And to be honest, and dont know if if i would go for an iPhone now.
 
Even though Apple makes > 100% of the industry profits. Just shows how much money everyone else is losing


No one's losing anything . Companies position themselves in the market with their own product . You only have to be profitable to stay in business, you don't have to be world beaters.
 
if only all their phones came to the UK..most don't.

they are going to try and steal the market like china are doing to world football ha
 
The big usue for apple here (in my opinion) is that you can find in other companies like oneplus and huawei (and so many others) mid range phones for a great price/specs. You can get a good phone for almost half the price of an iPhone.
You can get a flagship phone for about half the price of an iPhone. I did. I bought the Huawei P9 pretty much as soon as it became available here in Switzerland - about a month following its official launch - for CHF464. The cheapest iPhone is CHF759, and it doesn't compare. The iPhone is physically the same size but it has a smaller screen by .5" because of its huge bezels. Add the worse design, simplistic camera by comparison, worse battery life, sub-mediocre software.

You can get a very good phone for under CHF250 here. Something like the Huawei P9 lite, the new Honor 6X, or non-Huawei brands like Moto G4. Even Samsung has good stuff with AMOLED screens for around that money.

The reason Huawei has been doing so well is that they've put together some super nice devices which excellent value for money at their respective price points.

Then they learned very quickly and adapted to the Western markets.

If non-Google Android phones had a reputation for no or slow updates, Huawei I think had 5 updates on my P9 since I bought it, and moved to Android 7 fairly quickly. And they promised two years of OS updates, followed by security-only updates.

Then lots of reviewers criticised their launcher (funnily enough, for being too similar to iOS), so they switched to something much closer to stock in MIUI 5 (I actually think it looks slightly better).

It's no wonder they sold so many P9s and I think the Mate 9 will also sell well. I've seen it and it's superb.

If they keep it like this, I have no doubt we'll get some fierce competition between them and Samsung.
 
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Just because I'm interested...What can any phone do that another can't besides be on one particular eco system?
The ecosystem makes all the difference in user experience.

I am assured of timely software updates.

I enjoy great hardware and software design.

I have access to a great apps, and very often, the best apps in terms of design and features (eg: overcast, fantastical, tweetbot, Spark, Airmail etc). Good apps for Android do exist, but their selection pales compared to what is available for iOS.

Apple's ecosystem means I have the best of both worlds when it comes to software and services (eg: I have access to both google services and Apple's own, so I mix and match to my heart's delight).

I can do stuff like field calls and send SMSes on my iPad or Mac. Or handoff between apps. Fling files around with airdrop.

You want a smartwatch, the Apple watch is the only one which looks like it will still be around two years from today.

AirPods. I don't think I can ever stand to use any other pair of headphones (be it wired or wireless) ever again.

AppleCare means I am never left high and dry if anything happens to my devices.

So yeah, I save some money getting a cheaper Android phone. But when I consider what I give up in exchange, I don't really find it worth it.
 
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