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True, at least up to a point. But now they have a quarter trillion dollars stashed away.

In any case, no, all that money is not being used to bring us new products.

Heck, if they were lean and hungry again, perhaps we'd see more of the old Apple. Or maybe not.

Even the largest giants fall. That's been proven many times. Who knows how much money they really need to feel safe.

Could Apple reduce their prices? Sure, but why should they? They're a business and people continue to buy their products. Personally, I don't think their prices are outrageous. I don't feel ripped off because I enjoy using my iPhone and Mac every day.
 

How fortunate for Apple that the competition are daft enough to think the key metric is market share by volume.

Perhaps one day the competition, and maybe even the journalists, will catch on to the secret that it's all about the share of available profits. You know, the stuff that pays your workers and excites your shareholders.

But in the meantime, perhaps it's time that someone asks what the purpose of larger market sales is, if it means making a bigger loss? Perhaps MacRumors could help explain that, since they seem to think Huwei is doing something clever.
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I wonder how many cents they make on each smartphone?
And is the number negative?
 



Since 2011, the worldwide smartphone market has been dominated by Apple and Samsung. The elusive third-best spot, meanwhile, has failed to be held down by one vendor for an extended period of time, changing hands between Nokia, BlackBerry, Xiaomi, and Huawei over the past six years.

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In 2014, it looked like low-priced Chinese vendor Xiaomi had firmly cemented its position as the world's third-largest smartphone maker, but fewer than three years later, it has fallen out of the top five or even six vendors, according to the latest quarterly data from research firms IDC and TrendForce.

Xiaomi's recent decline can be attributed to a limited physical retail presence and increased competition from Huawei's lower-end Honor brand. Xiaomi continues to avoid selling premium smartphones--its most expensive model costs around $400--and some of its Mi smartphones have received mediocre reviews.

Huawei has since dethroned Xiaomi as not only China's largest smartphone maker, but the world's third largest. And now, the company has its eyes set on challenging Apple and Samsung for the crown, reports Fortune.

"We want to grow into top two market share, and, in the future, top one by 2021," Huawei's consumer head Richard Yu told the publication.

In the first quarter of 2016, Huawei sold ten times as many smartphones as Apple in Finland, according to research firm IDC. In Europe, it is now the top-selling smartphone maker in Portugal and the Netherlands and the second biggest in Italy, Poland, Hungary, and Spain, according to the report.

But if Huawei ever wants to truly challenge Apple and Samsung, it will have to conquer a key market where it has failed to make a dent: the United States. Huawei does not even crack the list of top ten smartphone makers in the country, trailing behind smaller rivals such as BLU and OnePlus.

It doesn't help that Huawei lacks agreements with the U.S.'s "big four" carriers, namely Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint. U.S. customers have to resort to retailers such as Best Buy or Walmart, or Huawei's direct sales website, to purchase one of their devices, reducing the brand's visibility in the country.

For its sake, Huawei appears to recognize it needs to take a new approach to the American market:Apple reported sales of 45.5 million iPhones in the third quarter, while IDC estimates Huawei shipped 33.6 million smartphones on the quarter, so the Chinese company is within striking range. But whether it can continue its momentum, or fall back into obscurity like Xiaomi, is something only time will tell.

Article Link: Huawei Closing in on Apple, Aims to Become World's Largest Smartphone Maker Within Four Years
No one seems to understand Apple's strategy. When they were the only manufacturer of big screen phones, of course they would be the biggest. Apple however makes it's money out of the whole ecosystem. Apple also traditionally has not been frightened of taking remarkable changes of direction, even cannibalising their own markets. So long as Apple has this approach, they will never be beaten.
 
Yes, with your friend!
No, there's nothing wrong with my friend. Let's not personalize it, please. Some people are more susceptible to persuasion than others. And some people take advantage of others. The sales person here didn't really seem to be interested in the individual needs of their client. The sales person took advantage of the client. I suspect this happens to a lot of people. Many years ago in a different life I sold things, but I focused on the individual and their needs. I was empathetic, I listened. I took the approach of giving good impartial advice and making an immediate sale was not my aim ever. Sales came thick and quick still though. Turned out I would get the sale eventually when the client made their own decision best for their own needs. That's the difference, I'm honest, some others aren't and prefer the misleading scum advice approach. Anyone recommending a no name Huwaie phone at a price higher than an iPhone is either morally corrupt, not focusing on the client or listening, or both and something else which I couldn't mention here.
 
Oh you're absolutely right. Happens all the time. Heck look at the Google Pixel. Great phone, but in literally one phone generation we went from Nexus priced devices to iPhone priced devices. No!
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I'd argue that Google is trying to fight fragmentation with the Pixel. It literally gets day one updates.

As for their prices, they are very expensive, yes. Like the iPhone. Borderline overpriced when you look at phones like the OnePlus 3T doing everything that iPhones and Pixels and Galaxies can for half the price.

Pixel is priced like the iPhone but without the dual lens, stereo speakers, water resistance, secure enclave, faster performance, 3D Touch, wide gamut color display, leading design, etc. It's essentially a Nexus with a huge price bump and new name; the oldest marketing trick in the book. Nexus was a good value. iPhone is a good value. Pixel, not so much.

As for fighting fragmentation, that's not why Pixel exists. It exists solely for the purpose of increasing revenues in the face of slowing ad revenue (hence the rebrand marketing trick). Android has been a money pit so they're aping Apple's iPhone business model, right down to the design and pricing, creating FURTHER fragmentation in an effort to take a small piece of that multi-billion dollar pie. If Google can generate even $1 billion in profit a quarter from hardware sales, that would be a huge win for them.
 
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Huawei has taken over Samsung here in Pakistan in just 1 year. Got to love their phone, used my friend's P9 lite and had to say i was very impressed. UI is horrible but always remember you can install launcher to customize it ex. Zen UI Launcher
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In their culture it is an HONOR to copy the master.

The closer and better the copy = the more HONOR.

if i recall Huawei got dual cameras first, right
 
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How fortunate for Apple that the competition are daft enough to think the key metric is market share by volume.

Perhaps one day the competition, and maybe even the journalists, will catch on to the secret that it's all about the share of available profits. You know, the stuff that pays your workers and excites your shareholders.

But in the meantime, perhaps it's time that someone asks what the purpose of larger market sales is, if it means making a bigger loss? Perhaps MacRumors could help explain that, since they seem to think Huwei is doing something clever.
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And is the number negative?
The competition seem to be absolutely convinced that people want to buy Android phones. The only reason Android is so pervasive is because that's all people have been offered other than iOS.

Manufacturers just need to start making products that properly compete with the iPhone. That means making your own operating system and ecosystem. Until they start doing that, they will never ever be able to come close let alone beat Apple.

It just boggles my mind why they keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over.
 
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Not going to lie, I have never even heard of this company before. But I have been out of the tech game for a little while

Huwaei has been around for a while. They make a decent smart watch, tablet and their phones are not bad.

Xiaomi is primarily available in China. Their phones are decent looking, but they have mixed reviews as far as hardware quality and specifications.
 
I own a Huawei Mate 8 and I absolutely love it.

It has a 6-inch screen, the processor is super snappy, the battery lasts 2-3 with frequent usage. Plus the battery does not die at 30 %.
 
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Sigh. The code you linked to is support and system monitoring software that phone makers deliberately included.

Sigh...

The researchers discovered that Adups’ firmware transmitted data packets to a Chinese server every 72 hours. These packets contained user’s call logs, text messages, contact lists, GPS location and other data.

“Intentional or not, these hidden backdoors can be dangerous as adversaries can become aware of their existence and use them to intercept traffic or disable a communications system in a way that firewall and intrusion detection systems aren’t able to detect,” said Kevin Kelly, CEO of supply chain cybersecurity firm LGS Innovations.

Source: https://www.cyberscoop.com/android-malware-china-huawei-zte-kryptowire-blu-products/

How quickly people forget that up until iOS 5, Apple used to include the same kind of code, called Carrier IQ. It too, sent more info than intended back from a lot of phones.
So an iOS version from over 5 years ago from a highly trusted American firm is somehow equatable to a Chinese firm with ties to various Chinese government agencies, was founded by a former engineer in the People's Liberation Army, and has been subject to various investigations due to fears their telecommunications products are sending unauthorised data back to China (not to mention their blatant patent infringement).
 
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At the pace the company moves they will pass Apple up in much less than 4 years. Apple releases something and then waits an entire year before updating/removing features.
Er - you forgot that they need to make profits as well. Or were you not aware that these are important?
 
The Android manufacturer that properly supports their phones for more than 18 months could clean up. How many years did the 4s get? how many did the the Galaxy S4 get?
 
I can hardly imagine anything that I would trust less than a smartphone that's developed, built, installed and sold by a Chinese company.
You do know, iPhones are developed, built and installed by a Chinese company the are only sold by an American company. IPhones are actually made by a company called Foxconn. Making them just as Chinese technically speaking as a Huawei. Also not many phone companies actually build their own phones anymore but at least Huawei are the only company in the top 3 that do!
 
I own a Huawei Mate 8 and I absolutely love it.

It has a 6-inch screen, the processor is super snappy, the battery lasts 2-3 with frequent usage. Plus the battery does not die at 30 %.
I'm so happy for you. Meanwhile Apple replaced my phone for free, and now the battery lasts about 10 hours with moderate use, 6 hours with heavy use. I don't use Facebook so maybe that helps with battery life too.

Yes, the 30% issue has been a problem for quite a lot of people, but it's being addressed and resolved.

By the way, your battery lasts 2-3... what? I'm going to assume that's hours? That's pretty poor.

I wouldn't trust a Huawei phone as far as I could throw it!
 
"Low profit" products are good for the consumer.
Why would you want to buy a high profit product?

There needs to be high enough margins for support and R&D at a minimum both of these are also good for the consumer.

You want more competition but you want Google to dominate with their overpriced Pixel phones that fragment Android further and goes against the very principle upon which Android was created? Seems contradictory on a lot of levels.

Android after google bought it was open sourced as soon as you open source you have fragmentation so I don't think fragmentation was something that they were looking to fight.
 
I won't support a HuaWei product because of their shady business practices. They literally don't innovate jack but steal IP. No, I don't have facts to back this up.
 
"Low profit" products are good for the consumer.
Why would you want to buy a high profit product?
If they get less money then they can't invest more money in research and development. So they would lack in innovation. Apple is innovative only because of their cash pile.
 
Android phone manufacturers are like wintel computer manufacturers, its the same thing with a different brand name. Why would I buy Xiami or whatever. Reminds of the days when you had to chose a tower PC between Compaq, Gateway, and Dell.

That being said I was informed that huawei doesn't manufacture smartphones only, they are in the telecommunication business as in building cell towers, kind of like Ericsson. That could give them a pretty good advantage.
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If they get less money then they can't invest more money in research and development. So they would lack in innovation. Apple is innovative only because of their cash pile.

I see what you mean but that is not exactly true. Most of Apple's greatest innovation was when they had troubling time. When they were almost bankrupt in 1997 they made the iMac, ibooks, iTunes, they made OS X(which we still use today!) and the iPod released in 2001. Thats all in a span of 4 years of bankruptcy.

Also, a lot of smaller startups come up with innovative stuff with small cash. We were just discussing this in another thread how Amiga was so superior to IBM, Commodore, and Apple although being the small guys. Google vs Yahoo , Facebook vs MySpace, the list goes on I guess.
 
If they get less money then they can't invest more money in research and development. So they would lack in innovation. Apple is innovative only because of their cash pile.

Nope. Apple does NOT use their huge cash pile for R&D. (That's why it's a pile.) Even when they buy companies, they do it through cheap loans.

On the contrary, one of the admirable things about Apple has been that... even though they have spent far less of their revenue on R&D than other companies... they often get more bang for their R&D buck.
 
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