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Just because I'm interested...What can any phone do that another can't besides be on one particular eco system?
The answer is technically, nothing. In fact the iPhone is extremely limited, because of its lack of filesystem exposure, inability to change its default apps (even when you uninstall them!), very limited app-to-app data sharing options.

You asked the wrong person though and just got fed a pile of Apple marketing bs.

What the iPhone can do that no other phone can do is make you look like a pretentious snob, and that's worth a lot of money.
 
No, there's nothing wrong with my friend. Let's not personalize it, please. Some people are more susceptible to persuasion than others. And some people take advantage of others. The sales person here didn't really seem to be interested in the individual needs of their client. The sales person took advantage of the client. I suspect this happens to a lot of people. Many years ago in a different life I sold things, but I focused on the individual and their needs. I was empathetic, I listened. I took the approach of giving good impartial advice and making an immediate sale was not my aim ever. Sales came thick and quick still though. Turned out I would get the sale eventually when the client made their own decision best for their own needs. That's the difference, I'm honest, some others aren't and prefer the misleading scum advice approach. Anyone recommending a no name Huwaie phone at a price higher than an iPhone is either morally corrupt, not focusing on the client or listening, or both and something else which I couldn't mention here.

My dry sense of humor will not let me put sarcastic or other than smiley emojis into any posts.

Since you decided to take it seriously, let me say that ANYBODY who can be persuaded to buy something they don't really want or need has not done their homework. And, sales people can smell this.

Before I shop for anything expensive (Which an iPhone or smart phone is) I research thing extensively. Then before I buy my last question is : Do I really need this or need this now? (Eliminating want vs. need)

Sometimes you get exposed to sales pressure tactics ( say a car salesperson gives you a price that can only be held if you buy now and the offer is no longer good once you leave) to which my response is always:

Lived my entire life without this (car, product, feature) , so why should that stress me out now?

I guess everybody has a different way of going through life, hence so many who fall for evangelists, phone scams, bogus e-mail chains etc.etc.

These days it is more about information than ever, but many people are too busy or just plain lazy to check things out.

Lastly, and my apologies for the lengthy droning, we all have too much "stuff" which accumulates, so NOT buying anything not needed is the way to go as one gets older. Can't take anything with you.
 
Serious question; would anyone love their iPhone less if Apple became the number 2 smartphone manufacturer?
I won't, but it certainly went a very long way in shutting up the Android fanboys who loved to troll Apple threads back at Cnet and Engadget, and that's always a plus in my book.

Anandtech debunking the myth that 4 cores were better than 2 (in a mobile device) helped a ton too.

Android smartphones haven't beaten the iPhone in single-core benchmarks in a long time, and the gulf just gets wider with every passing year.

Notice how a lot of falsehoods that used to get aimed at Apple no longer get parroted today. As the saying goes - real gold fears no fire.
 
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Where are these Huawei phones sold in the US? Amazon - Mate 9 for $599. Walmart sells Honor 8 (Android) for $400+. Not that I would buy one; I would be afraid it would always be calling home to report private details. The military stopped using their products because of the hidden 'bug' in some of their electronics, according to news stories a few years ago.
 
No one's losing anything . Companies position themselves in the market with their own product . You only have to be profitable to stay in business, you don't have to be world beaters.
Maybe you don't understand how numbers work, but it is impossible for Apple to have greater than 100% smartphone industry profit share if nobody is losing anything. Many of these companies have other business units and product lines that keep them afloat.
 
It will be interesting to see how they meet the challenges of growth. Don't rumours currently suggest Apple wants to release an iPhone 8 this year, but is having trouble making them reliably? It sounds like theres half a dozen working prototypes but producing millions of them is the issue.

Samsung has a huge range of phones, which all sell well, though no one model sells like the iPhone

Will Huawei diversify like Samsung and make half a dozen different phones, or aim for few phones and face the production challenges?
 
I would be afraid it would always be calling home to report private details.


as opposed to Apple tracking your day through your use of iMessage . who you're messaging, who's messaging you, and from where . that's quite the map Apple constructs of your whereabouts over the rolling 30 days of ping records they keep.
 
Android smartphones haven't beaten the iPhone in single-core benchmarks in a long time, and the gulf just gets wider with every passing year.
Yeah, like the 835.

It amuses me how iSheep hold on to the last remaining spec they have: single-thread CPU speed. Now that everything else is measurably worse, they hug this last thing as if their life depended on it.

Not that it's relevant in the slightest, since the iPhone is like an old American muscle car: fast in a straight line, useless for anything else.

I bet we're going to hear a lot of shrills about "user experience" after this last bastion will go down in flames, like the others did.

Speaking of "user experience":

A friend of mine at the gym, who's technically illiterate but otherwise well into the cool vibe - so he has an iPhone - took a picture and sent it to me using WhatsApp (here in Switzerland not even iPhone users use iMessage, since SMS is kindof passée).

I watched him doing it, and the workflow was like this: he took the picture, went to the home screen, scrolled screens to WhatsApp, started WhatsApp, selected me, selected the attachment, went to the camera roll, selected the photo, sent it to me.

Then I took a picture and sent it to him using WhatsApp. I took the picture, clicked on Share, selected WhatsApp, selected him.

It was less than half the clicks, swipes and taps, not to mention time. That's what you get with garbage software. Wasted time. But hey, he looked cool.
 
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as opposed to Apple tracking your day through your use of iMessage . who you're messaging, who's messaging you, and from where . that's quite the map Apple constructs of your whereabouts over the rolling 30 days of ping records they keep.
I would personally trust Apple with my data over any other company, but that's just me.
 
Doesn't have the dual lens but it takes nicer photos (and you get unlimited full resolution storage), and it runs Android, which is a huge plus for a lot of people.

I simply don't want a phone without Google Now. The applications I use the most are Google's anyway: Photos, Inbox, Maps. All better than Apple's alternatives.

The iPhone is as far away from good value as possible. I have a Huawei P9, which I bought for less than half the price of an iPhone 7. For that I get a 5.2" screen instead of 4.7", a fantastic dual-camera setup, superb build quality (looks and feels way nicer than an iPhone), great battery life, it's very fast and smooth etc. And since I can put an SD card in it, I have as much memory as I need. By the way, it has a better fingerprint reader too.

That's good value, not the iPhone, at nearly $900 with lesser hardware, and a stilted OS to boot. I don't give a toss about "stereo speakers" (let's be serious), "3D touch" (the most unimaginative, unintuitive and generally useless feature put on a phone) or "water resistance" that's not covered by warranty. It's not "leading design" either, it's a tired old design with huge bezels and small screens.


Sheer nonsense in every sentence.

Ad revenue is not slowing (just look for the earnings reports), Android has been a huge money maker, Pixel profits are essentially a drop in the ocean for Google.

So you're an Android fan that hangs out on Apple forum sites?
 
It amuses me how iSheep hold on to the last remaining spec they have: single-thread CPU speed. Now that everything else is measurably worse, they hug this last thing as if their life depended on it.
Most people are using one app at a time, so single-core performance is still a lot more relevant than multi-core performance.

A friend of mine at the gym, who's technically illiterate but otherwise well into the cool vibe - so he has an iPhone - took a picture and sent it to me using WhatsApp (here in Switzerland not even iPhone users use iMessage, since SMS is kindof passée).

I watched him doing it, and the workflow was like this: he took the picture, went to the home screen, scrolled screens to WhatsApp, started WhatsApp, selected me, selected the attachment, went to the camera roll, selected the photo, sent it to me.

Then I took a picture and sent it to him using WhatsApp. I took the picture, clicked on Share, selected WhatsApp, selected him.

It was less than half the clicks, swipes and taps, not to mention time. That's what you get with garbage software. Wasted time. But hey, he looked cool.
You can do that on an iPhone as well, as WhatsApp has supported app extensions since iOS 8. So either this happened many years ago (in which case I am not sure what the point of sharing an outdated anecdote is), or your friend is simply not aware of this feature.
 
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Yeah, like the 835.

It amuses me how iSheep hold on to the last remaining spec they have: single-thread CPU speed. Now that everything else is measurably worse, they hug this last thing as if their life depended on it.

Not that it's relevant in the slightest, since the iPhone is like an old American muscle car: fast in a straight line, useless for anything else.

I bet we're going to hear a lot of shrills about "user experience" after this last bastion will go down in flames, like the others did.

Speaking of "user experience":

A friend of mine at the gym, who's technically illiterate but otherwise well into the cool vibe - so he has an iPhone - took a picture and sent it to me using WhatsApp (here in Switzerland not even iPhone users use iMessage, since SMS is kindof passée).

I watched him doing it, and the workflow was like this: he took the picture, went to the home screen, scrolled screens to WhatsApp, started WhatsApp, selected me, selected the attachment, went to the camera roll, selected the photo, sent it to me.

Then I took a picture and sent it to him using WhatsApp. I took the picture, clicked on Share, selected WhatsApp, selected him.

It was less than half the clicks, swipes and taps, not to mention time. That's what you get with garbage software. Wasted time. But hey, he looked cool.
As far as this photo sharing thing can be done in 4 clicks on an iPhone. Take picture, click on picture, up arrow, share. Your use case to "put down" Apple is hyperbole at minimum as is the remainder of your post.
 
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My dry sense of humor will not let me put sarcastic or other than smiley emojis into any posts.

Since you decided to take it seriously, let me say that ANYBODY who can be persuaded to buy something they don't really want or need has not done their homework. And, sales people can smell this.

Before I shop for anything expensive (Which an iPhone or smart phone is) I research thing extensively. Then before I buy my last question is : Do I really need this or need this now? (Eliminating want vs. need)

Sometimes you get exposed to sales pressure tactics ( say a car salesperson gives you a price that can only be held if you buy now and the offer is no longer good once you leave) to which my response is always:

Lived my entire life without this (car, product, feature) , so why should that stress me out now?

I guess everybody has a different way of going through life, hence so many who fall for evangelists, phone scams, bogus e-mail chains etc.etc.

These days it is more about information than ever, but many people are too busy or just plain lazy to check things out.

Lastly, and my apologies for the lengthy droning, we all have too much "stuff" which accumulates, so NOT buying anything not needed is the way to go as one gets older. Can't take anything with you.
Unfortunately the electronics don't allow for all the cues in a conversation that might have alluded to dry humor.

I am you but on a different screen in a different place, but there a lots of other people who don't have the know how for some purchases such as consumer electronics and are taken great advantage of.

To quote this person, they were more or less hijacked into the purchase. Dramatic as it sounds, some don't have the ability to walk away from the sale. Some sales people also exhibit predatory behavior adding to the unfortunate mix.
 
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Not that it's relevant in the slightest, since the iPhone is like an old American muscle car: fast in a straight line, useless for anything else.

Then I took a picture and sent it to him using WhatsApp. I took the picture, clicked on Share, selected WhatsApp, selected him.

It was less than half the clicks, swipes and taps, not to mention time. That's what you get with garbage software. Wasted time. But hey, he looked cool.
Can you prove that around the time when A10 was released, which other chip-set had the similar performance benchmarks, not that it is a metric of real world usage, but still, just for bragging rights.

But here is one example of real world usage. Note 7 could not keep up.

Can you show me examples of any phone have better battery life per unit mAh? I am asking for something very specific here, which is another metric of performance/optimization.

The example you gave of Whatsapp is exactly what can be done on an iPhone, take a picture and share it in Whatsapp, without leaving the camera app. How is the even a comparison to iOS workflow?

The American muscle car analogy was unintelligible.
 
Most people are using one app at a time, so single-core performance is still a lot more relevant than multi-core performance.
I think most people use a bunch of apps all the times, and switch between them constantly. Then single-core performance over a certain threshold (which has long been surpassed) is simply irrelevant except as a nitpicky topic of quarrel. For most intents and purposes the cheapest i3 is perceived the same as an octa-core Xeon, and things are similar in the mobile market. Now the 835 will probably exceed Apple's 7 plus processor, but really even a 650 gives a very good experience.

And looking back it's not that my phone is almost perfectly fluid (*), but funnily enough, my old Nexus 4 is very fluid and aside for app start time, it still offers a good experience for most day-to-day apps.

(*) No phone including the iPhone 7 plus is perfectly fluid. I've used one and I've seen the occasional dropped frames. If anything, I believe the Mate 9 is even better in this regard.

You can do that on an iPhone as well, as WhatsApp has supported app extensions since iOS 8. So either this happened many years ago (in which case I am not sure what the point of sharing an outdated anecdote is), or your friend is simply not aware of this feature.
It happened on Tuesday and he's got the iPhone 7, so it's not outdated at all. I looked at him doing it and it wasn't obvious that he could have done it in any other way. I don't know if Apple's screwball sharing system was at fault (perhaps he had to change the settings to allow WhatsApp sharing?), but in any case, on Android this was both very easy and obvious at the same time.

This is a running pattern, and I recognize it from my iPad. App-to-app sharing is just awful. I had Twitter enabled by default in the sharing menu without having Twitter installed. It really takes marketing genius to sell this as "magical". Hats off.

If Apple would make a decent phone, I'd buy one. They don't, so I don't.
 
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It happened on Tuesday and he's got the iPhone 7, so it's not outdated at all. I looked at him doing it and it wasn't obvious that he could have done it in any other way. I don't know if Apple's screwball sharing system was at fault (perhaps he had to change the settings to allow WhatsApp sharing?), but in any case, on Android this was both very easy and obvious at the same time.
Umm, yeah. Okay. Whatever you say.
 
But here is one example of real world usage.
Except, of course, that's not real usage.

Can you show me examples of any phone have better battery life per unit mAh? I am asking for something very specific here, which is another metric of performance/optimization.
Ask all you want, it's in the pile of useless stats, next to quantity of solder per square mm of board.

I have to give you though a prize for original obsequiousness. People want to know about the battery life of phones, you want to know about life per unit mAh. That's amazing.

The American muscle car analogy was unintelligible.
There's nothing I can do for you reading comprehension problems.
 
I wonder how many cents they make on each smartphone?
The average consumer doesn't care. They do care if its a good product.
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Serious question; would anyone love their iPhone less if Apple became the number 2 smartphone manufacturer?

They would come up with some data point to ensure the iPhone was #1, no matter how bizarre .
 
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I recently bought a Huawei Mate 8 because the price was dropped to low-midrange in a sale, making it way better value than similarly priced actual low-midrange phones.

My perception of Huawei before this was as a cheap, crappy phone manufacturer and the name turned me off. But no more, this phone really impressed me. Very solid build, great design, amazing fingerprint scanner, the best battery life I've seen in a smartphone, and despite having a massive 6" screen it still manages to be almost exactly the same dimensions as an iPhone plus. The whole thing is snappy and feels great

Now I think they are punching well above their weight in terms of hardware. They've also apparently fixed a lot of complaints in their latest software version. Now all they need is a bit of good marketing to get people to look closer at their phones, and they'll clean up.
 
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I watched him doing it, and the workflow was like this: he took the picture, went to the home screen, scrolled screens to WhatsApp, started WhatsApp, selected me, selected the attachment, went to the camera roll, selected the photo, sent it to me.

Then neither you nor your friend know how to use the sharing features available in iOS.

Take photo, click photo in corner, share button, whatsapp (or "more" to enable whatsapp for first-time sharing with it).
 
Then neither you nor your friend know how to use the sharing features available in iOS.
Well I do, but only on the iPad, where WhatsApp is not available so I had no idea if there's sharing allowed or not. On Android, any application that can handle a particular type of data can be used to open that kind of file, and generally the sharing options are very generous.

On iOS, this is simply not the case. I don't know who establishes who can share to what, and why Twitter is in my sharing menu despite not having Twitter installed. Or why Siri defaults to address processing in Apple Maps, despite not having Apple Maps installed. It's pretty bizarre. The whole app-to-app communication seems to me like an afterthought, as if they're chasing Android features but they have a couple of interns doing all the software, with no supervision. It's amateur hour.

Take photo, click photo in corner, share button, whatsapp (or "more" to enable whatsapp for first-time sharing with it).
On Android you simply don't have this extra hoop to jump through. And even better, there's no concept as bizarre as the "Camera Roll". It's just simple, it works, and it's very customizable and flexible on top of that.

It's telling when iPhone owners cannot use their supposedly user-friendly devices well.
 
There was a Black Friday sale for a Huawei Ascend XT and I picked one up. Normally $150, currently $100, but on BF it was $50. I wouldn't have bought it for $100+ initially, I've never owned a Huawei before, but after owning it for a few months I would definitely recommend it for $100. Sturdy plastic build, fantastic 6 inch display, LTE and 2 gigs of RAM.
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I understand this a low tier phone but it's nice to see that it's still quality for not being a flagship device. Apparently, their flagship Mate 9 is nice and affordable. It's always good to have good competition to force manufacturers to not rest on the laurels.
 
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