Huawei Surpasses Apple to Become #2 Worldwide Smartphone Vendor in Q2 2018

[Glockworkorange]

China was a huge market for Apple for whatever time it was. But it can no more compete with local brands in China.
And frankly I don't think Apple cares about India (yet!). At least not to a level where it depends on India for sales/profit.
But it may change in future, just like China India might be its next big market.
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Thats why they are turning to "Services" section for profits.

Apple would love to own China and India, but the phones are just priced too high. I recall reading an article somewhere stating the iPhone 6 was the best selling phone in India, because it looked like a new iPhone but case much, much less.

I think Android will always own China and India, quite honestly.

 

[Lankyman]

Um no.
Without profit, what’s the point?
BlackBerry, Nokia, Motorola, and HTC what do they have in common?

Lack of profits killed them. Without profits there are no products.

Why is that so hard to understand.

There are profits and then there is profiteering.

 

[Billyk711]

It does matter to Apple which is why they opened a factory in India for the Indian market and a factory in Brazil for the Brazilian market etc - They always want to sell more.

Did you goto whar

Many countries government support companies that may hold promise as it provides economic growth for employment and general well-being of a Nation. I am not dismissing the way certain Nations are run (i.e. communism, etc). Government on every level owns a share of certain services and corporations, this is the reason when there is a takeover/merger/acquisition of corporations either local or foreign the various government bodies are involved, due in part for security purposes or economic well-being. The government in China backs these companies with public funded money for growth of the country for personal and public wealth, other countries do this as well. However the extent of involvement and investment varies.

I concur with your second statement as it applies to all Nations. Profit equals sustainability, in China its twofold.

1. Profits are low due to government involvement;
2. Profits are used for the company growth and sustainability;
3. Losses can be overcome by government involvement to an extent; and
4. Losses on a mass scale allows the Chinese people and government to learn from and not make the same folly.

China views profit differently than USA, since the shareholder gains or looses. USA companies are primarily run by private or public investment and interests. China shares some of this however the ratio of interest is geared towards the government to act as a public investor on behalf of the people (many poor or lack education). Is there abuse and corruption, sure there is. It exists in every government, the extent is another matter.

China’s flaw is human rights, the communism system is a more liberal version from the past as there have been revolt and revolution that keeps governments in check. It all depends on the people, if they see the government is working for the whole then no mass action. If not, there will be riots. Propaganda is another can of worms that I prefer not opening.

Did you goto Wharton business school,
It seems like you have it all figured out,
I can’t stand people, that say”Apple should do this or Apple should do that”
I will tell you one thing, they don’t care about comments on macrumors.

 

[Glockworkorange]

These android/Samsung freaks, should go on android central, but all they do is talk about Apple, must be because they can’t buy one
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[doublepost=1533151609][/doublepost]Why would Apple lower the prices,
Some people forget that it’s a business,
I think it’s the unemployed people that call for Apple to lower their prices.

For those of you old enough to remember begin parens (and I can't believe I'm saying that), these Samsung ads are like the Mac versus Windows ads.

Samsung and Apple both punching up.

 

[Billyk711]

I think you may want to check these numbers. Both your sources, and your calculations.

Yea lots of people in here make stuff up,
It’s pretty funny how far off they are.
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A little bit knowledge is dangerous. The difference is 20% VAT and much stronger consumer protection in the UK.

And I can assure you that lots of companies use that kind of exchange rate, it's just that either nobody is bothered about them, or they intentionally create different models for each market so you can't compare prices.
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Read that line back to yourself. If Apple's profits are "greedy and insane", why would they change that?

[doublepost=1533152091][/doublepost]Why would a company want to make less money.
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No surprise when you look at apples ridiculous iPhone prices.
Come on Apple, wake up and lower your prices.

Why would they lower their prices, so u can buy one, I don’t think so.
The idea of running a company, is make something people love and make money,
Apple is doing it better than anyoneone,
Please tell me why they should lower their price points. Please

 

[fairuz]

I don't even care about Apple. Huawei have been stealing IP from American companies, and I mean physically stealing the the documents, for decades. They're in cahoots with the Chinese government, and I'm sure their stuff is full of backdoors. Everything must be done to destroy this company.

If it's from growth in third-world countries, whatever. But it's sad and upsetting that western Europe is buying their stuff.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Apple would love to own China and India, but the phones are just priced too high. I recall reading an article somewhere stating the iPhone 6 was the best selling phone in India, because it looked like a new iPhone but case much, much less.

I think Android will always own China and India, quite honestly.

I think this is going to be tricky for Apple. They need to expand in places like India, Africa and China in order to continue to grow. However most of the people in these countries can’t afford a flagship iPhone. It’s not as simple as throwing out an SE style phone because the people there are used to cheap android phones with 85% of the features of a flagship android phone. However if Apple were to offer a compelling iPhone in terms of features, specs and design at a much lower price it would devalue their brand so this is not something they are going to do.

They are doing a good job at the moment of maintaining sales in their established markets for now though.

 

[Billyk711]

Yea lots of people in here make stuff up,
It’s pretty funny how far off they are.
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[doublepost=1533152091][/doublepost]Why would a company want to make less money.
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Why would they lower their prices, so u can buy one, I don’t think so.
The idea of running a company, is make something people love and make money,
Apple is doing it better than anyoneone,
Please tell me why they should lower their price points. Please

I didn’t thinks so, A

I think this is going to be tricky for Apple. They need to expand in places like India, Africa and China in order to continue to grow. However most of the people in these countries can’t afford a flagship iPhone. It’s not as simple as throwing out an SE style phone because the people there are used cheap android phones with 85% of the features of a flagship android phone. However if Apple were to offer a compelling iPhone in terms of features, specs and design at a much lower price it would devalue their brand so this is not something they are going to do.

They are doing a good job at the moment of maintaining sales in their established markets for now though.

[doublepost=1533152477][/doublepost]For 10 years people have been saying that Apple is doomed or on their way down.
They all have been wrong, Apple just hit its highest stock price,
Let me guess when that stupid foldable phone comes out, that’s will be last Niall in apples coffin,
Wrong they will sell more iPhone after Samsung comes out with that foolish idea
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There are profits and then there is profiteering.

There is being silly then there is being stupid.

 

[fairuz]

Not going to argue if there is spyware on foreign devices, however how do you know for sure that there is no NSA spyware on Apple devices. Just saying if I was a foreign consumer purchasing an Apple product manufactured in China for an American company and sold in this example China, should I not be suspect of Apple.

How do we really know that there is no "zero-day" type of trojan in iOS, considering one can circumvent via jailbreaks.

We don't know, but it's a much safer bet. There's a lot more scrutiny of Apple's software, and it's a private company instead of a semi-public one in a much more corrupt country.

 

[Billyk711]

The back if my iPhone reads: designed by Apple in California, assembled in China.

Mine iPhone doesn’t say that,
Get the new one,

 

[fairuz]

Well duh. How on earth can our products compete in markets that tariff the crap out of American goods? The same iPhone 8 64GB sells for 790$US in China vs $699 in the US.

Huawei's phone that's indistinguishable from an iPhone sells for less than $200 in China, that's why. And you can use the full-on WeChat on it. Tbh if I lived in China and had average income there, it's obvious which phone I'd buy.

 

[Billyk711]

One has to remember that if you are born and raised into a certain type of government/society system, one is unaware or fearful of change. It is human rights that is a concerning matter in China. If you believe it is censorship or spying, this happens in developed countries as well, you are not made full aware of its existence.

Idiots

 

[Lankyman]

I don't even care about Apple. Huawei have been stealing IP from American companies, and I mean physically stealing the documents, for decades. And I'm sure their stuff is full of backdoors. Everything must be done to destroy this company. It's sad and upsetting that western Europe is buying their stuff.

We buy their products because they are extremely well made, feature rich, attractive and have a value for money price point. Oh and we’re not paranoid about security issues or claim there is one and use this excuse in order to prevent them entering the market place.

We use Hauawei modems etc. as part of our national telecommunications network and the Chinese are joint building our next nuclear reactors in the UK.

 

[FFR]

There are profits and then there is profiteering.

If I couldn’t afford a product I wouldn’t label it profiteering.

If Samsung or Huawei were selling as many phones at the iPhones price points. They would be making just as much.

But the majority of those sales are around 100 dollar or less.

You don’t call it profiteering that both Samsung and Huawei offer phones that match the iPhones price points, do you?

They just don’t sell as much.

 

[fairuz]

We buy their products because they are extremely well made, feature rich, attractive and have a value for money price point. Oh and we’re not paranoid about security issues or claim there is one and use this excuse in order to prevent them entering the market place.

We use Hauawei modems etc. as part of our national telecommunications network and the Chinese are joint building our next nuclear reactors in the UK.

The reason to cite for banning sale is the blatant and long-repeated IP theft. Unless the US and UK are just enemies now, which I hope not. Last I heard about Huawei was when their routers were banned here because they ran stolen Cisco firmware, now I'm suddenly hearing that they sell phones that look identical to iPhones.

 

[code-m]

Idiots

Hold on are you insulting me or foreign markets/culture.

 

[MRrainer]

The thing is: the profits (Apple's) are needed to keep the company going forward. At least in the US, as long as shareholders have a say. Not that I think a private Apple would do much different. It's unlikely TBH.

Also, nobody knows how much money is needed to get "the next thing" going.

For me, I simply like the general idea behind Apple products: doing as much stuff on the device itself instead of farming it out to a 3rd-party that views you as the actual product and the hardware as a conduit to indirectly monetize you.

Are Apple products several times as expensive as competitors? Of course. It's insane. But I like their approach and the devices live long enough so that I can postpone the purchase for almost as long as I want. Or at least to the point where I can bring the total costs per day down to a reasonable number (amount paid divided by (years used * 365)).
Work pays for a small contract (enough for my needs) so the price of the phone is really all that goes into the cost (plus anything from the AppStore plus any accessories).

Does Apple view the device as a conduit to monetize me? Of course they do. The difference is that it's a very direct approach. I pay for the device, the amount I want to pay and I pay for the services, if I need them. There's no indirect angle, no selling out of data to the highest bidder.

Using a Google-phone, I'd have the feeling that Google get's much more out of me than I get of Google - and I have almost no way to stop that. With Apple, I just skip a generation or two (or more), delete files from iCloud if the 5GB are full and that's it.

 

[FFR]

I think this is going to be tricky for Apple. They need to expand in places like India, Africa and China in order to continue to grow. However most of the people in these countries can’t afford a flagship iPhone. It’s not as simple as throwing out an SE style phone because the people there are used to cheap android phones with 85% of the features of a flagship android phone. However if Apple were to offer a compelling iPhone in terms of features, specs and design at a much lower price it would devalue their brand so this is not something they are going to do.

They are doing a good job at the moment of maintaining sales in their established markets for now though.

They need to focus on India, Africa and China?
You have absolutely no idea what your talking about

iPhone X is the best selling phone in China since it launched.

Apple owns 16% of the premium smartphone market in India, and that’s was during its slowest quarter of the year. Oppo is number 1 with 34% of the premium smartphone market.

Talking about lack of growth during the quarter before 2018 iPhone launch. Smh.

 

[fairuz]

One has to remember that if you are born and raised into a certain type of government/society system, one is unaware or fearful of change. It is human rights that is a concerning matter in China. If you believe it is censorship or spying, this happens in developed countries as well, you are not made full aware of its existence.

There's no way you can equate the Internet censorship in China (also Turkey and kinda Russia) to that in the US or even Europe/other developed countries.

 

[The Game 161]

Haha I love the idiots that were so wrong about that under display fingerprint,
Maybe Samsung can figure it out in 2020 when everyone will be using face id
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How do you know,
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Could be the dumbest thing I have ever read in comment section

All analysts have reported it and given other companies are doing it so will Apple

 

[Glockworkorange]

I think this is going to be tricky for Apple. They need to expand in places like India, Africa and China in order to continue to grow. However most of the people in these countries can’t afford a flagship iPhone. It’s not as simple as throwing out an SE style phone because the people there are used to cheap android phones with 85% of the features of a flagship android phone. However if Apple were to offer a compelling iPhone in terms of features, specs and design at a much lower price it would devalue their brand so this is not something they are going to do.

They are doing a good job at the moment of maintaining sales in their established markets for now though.

Now, if they made a true budget phone for the emerging markets and sold them in those markets only....

But that is just not how Apple rolls....

 

[code-m]

There's no way you can equate the Internet censorship in China (also Turkey and kinda Russia) to that in the US or even Europe/other developed countries.

Not to the same extent, however it still exists. This is like comparing N.Korea to China as far as censorship and propaganda goes. Some countries go to extremes while others test the waters. It all depends who the comparison is made between.

 

[Lankyman]

If I couldn’t afford a product I wouldn’t label it profiteering.

If Samsung or Huawei were selling as many phones at the iPhones price points. They would be making just as much.

But the majority of those sales are around 100 dollar or less.

You don’t call it profiteering that both Samsung and Huawei offer phones that match the iPhones price points, do you?

They just don’t sell as much.

Profiteering is not to be applauded or condoned whoever is doing it. Deflection likewise is no defence.

 

[FFR]

Profiteering is not to be applauded or condoned whoever is doing it. Deflection likewise is no defence.

I don’t think you understand the term profiteering.

Is apple extorting you?

 

[Applemaniac7]

Before reading any of the comments, I made a bet with myself how many posts it would take before the word profits was mentioned.. I said 4, and hey presto it was 3!! ..

.. As if this is a good thing for the punter that the sale price is sooo much more than the manufacturing cost.. sad really..