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And Scrooge was probably one of the richest guys in the town.
Having all the money still didn't pan out well in the long term.

And selling millions of phones at $100 is not getting you anywhere.

For some reason, they are reporting on units and not on revenue or profit.

Something to hide?
 
And selling millions of phones at $100 is not getting you anywhere.

For some reason, they are reporting on units and not on revenue or profit.

Something to hide?

“They” isn’t Huawei, and it’s on units because it’s a market share report, not quarterly earnings.
 
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It is a cultural mindset that western nations just don't understand (some people may who reside in western countries) and this extends to the corporate thinking as well. There is a bit of human behavioural science done on this comparison.

code-m, overall I found your post very informative. But in regards to the above portion, doesn’t the fact that most Chinese companies are either government owned or heavily financed/subsidized by the Chinese government play a factor in this. China is still a communist country after all.

From what I gather, the primary function of businesses in China is to keep as many people employed as possible so they don’t starve or worse start a revolution. Making a profit is an afterthought.

I’m not saying there is any thing no wrong with that model. Considering where China was say 50 years ago it seems to be working.
 
I wasn't arguing either way, dude. Marketshare and revenue are both pointless ways to measure anything.

Um no.
Without profit, what’s the point?
BlackBerry, Nokia, Motorola, and HTC what do they have in common?

Lack of profits killed them. Without profits there are no products.

Why is that so hard to understand.
 
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In my office , 3 using huawei including me.. Lenovo is dead, xiomi exist but rare.. so as asus.. NOKIA ... rip forever. Samsung a lot of people use .. IPHONE only me.

That depends on your location.
where are you located?
India?
 
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All these devices with "notches" makes me sick, yet I have a feeling in the very near future I may not have an option. There is a solution to this, however Cook & Co. don't seem to consider thinking logically. Who cares how many devices you sold with the "notch" it is in very poor design, Jobs is rolling in his grave.
It’s not noticeable after awhile. I forget it’s there most of the time. Just contains the clock and status items that used take up a full horizontal stripe (more screen real estate) on the older models.
 
The Notch maybe will be the most controversial of all things Apple has ever implemented, but it’s their trademark and it houses some of the most advanced 3-D facial mapping biometric security on the smart phone market. I think it’s a brilliant implementation in multiple ways.
Yeah I agree, I was just goofing off. The notch on my X doesn’t bother me in the least, and frankly I don’t give it a second thought when I’m using the phone.
 
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Um no.
Without profit, what’s the point?
BlackBerry, Nokia, Motorola, and HTC what do they have in common?

Lack of profits killed them. Without profits there are no products.

Why is that so hard to understand.

Except there's a difference between making profits and arguing that a company is better because they're able to get a higher ARPU. Huawei is making profits. The person I was arguing with was arguing the company is bad because they don't make as much money as Apple.
 
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Not at all.

Made in China = Chinese Software + hardware assembled in China

Assembled in China = non-Chinese Software + hardware assembled in China
With respect I beg to differ: Parts can be substituted. Look at (and don't under-estimate) the capabilities of competitor companies. If they can mimic the function of microprocessors (since they can manufacture them), they can drop replacements in that may contain malware. From that point of view, Samsung's factories in South Korea might be more trustworthy. The risks are real, especially for loss of intellectual property. All depends on your threat model. Just saying.
 
For most of the worlds population the iPhone significant proportion of their income, not just left over money. If there can get another phone for 1/10 of price that does the same function, they will, and I would too.

And for those complaining about spyware, US products such as those from Microsoft, Cisco, Google, to name a few, have ready access from US agencies like NSA, CIA.
 
Not going to argue if there is spyware on foreign devices, however how do you know for sure that there is no NSA spyware on Apple devices. Just saying if I was a foreign consumer purchasing an Apple product manufactured in China for an American company and sold in this example China, should I not be suspect of Apple.

How do we really know that there is no "zero-day" type of trojan in iOS, considering one can circumvent via jailbreaks.
If I were a betting man I’d bet there is not. iOS is tighter than a nun’s knickers.
 
not india,malaysian. I suppose you think india because small market and apple cannot penetrate ?

I thought India because of the brands your were mentioning, particularly Lenovo sales tanking in 2018.

I wouldn’t say they couldn’t penetrate the market, Apple has 15% of India’s premium smartphone market and this is Apple slowest quarter, it will be much higher next quarter when new iPhones are released.

As for Malaysia, don’t think Apple is doing so bad over there. Could be wrong but this was all j could find.

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With respect I beg to differ: Parts can be substituted. Look at (and don't under-estimate) the capabilities of competitor companies. If they can mimic the function of microprocessors (since they can manufacture them), they can drop replacements in that may contain malware. From that point of view, Samsung's factories in South Korea might be more trustworthy. The risks are real, especially for loss of intellectual property. All depends on your threat model. Just saying.

Have you seen this.

Review: A Counterfeit, $100 iPhone X
We disassembled the phone and asked security researchers to probe it to find out what it is. Verdict: It's wild.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvmkdd/counterfeit-iphone-x-review-and-teardown
 
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As long as it maintains the largest part of profits in the smartphone business I don't think Apple should be concerned about Huawei, Samsung or other competitors having the largest number of devices sold.
At least in my country Huawei is making the right moves. They air a lot of ads, and you can find their own shopping assistants in the equivalent of Best Buy we have here.
If the average customer wants to buy a phone and can't afford an iPhone today he choses Samsung or Huawei, because he recognise the brands and find them in every mall.
 
With respect I beg to differ: Parts can be substituted. Look at (and don't under-estimate) the capabilities of competitor companies. If they can mimic the function of microprocessors (since they can manufacture them), they can drop replacements in that may contain malware. From that point of view, Samsung's factories in South Korea might be more trustworthy. The risks are real, especially for loss of intellectual property. All depends on your threat model. Just saying.

That is true, but if it were to happen I believe it would have already happened and we'd know about it already.

Let's not forget there's around 1.3 billion iPhones out there.

Personally I believe software to be a much more realistic threat.
 
I thought India because of the brands your were mentioning, particularly Lenovo sales tanking in 2018.

I wouldn’t say they couldn’t penetrate the market, Apple has 15% of India’s premium smartphone market and this is Apple slowest quarter, it will be much higher next quarter when new iPhones are released.

As for Malaysia, don’t think Apple is doing so bad over there. Could be wrong but this was all j could find.

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don't trust internet fully.. I never heard of brand "MOBICEL" anyway. Apple recycled old product still a lot of user here.
But if equipment like imac/mac mini/ mac pro it dam rare user. If non related job i don't waste to waste 1k dollar for base imac.
 
I do not believe Apple has anything to worry about especially if Apple keeps mid-prices point iPhones like they do now with 6s/SE If anything, Samsung should start worrying it.
 
Have you seen this.

Review: A Counterfeit, $100 iPhone X
We disassembled the phone and asked security researchers to probe it to find out what it is. Verdict: It's wild.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvmkdd/counterfeit-iphone-x-review-and-teardown
It only takes one key part to be modified, like the radio, to make a phone compromised. Not an issue for the average consumer but if I ran a company that designed military hardware or something like that, I would be a bit more fussy.
 
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Except there's a difference between making profits and arguing that a company is better because they're able to get a higher ARPU. Huawei is making profits. The person I was arguing with was arguing the company is bad because they don't make as much money as Apple.

If company A sells a device for more than company B Then company A is considered more successful than company B

While considering:
company A has an ARPU of $742 while company B is closer to $100.

If consumers are spending 7x for company A’s
Compared to company B’s then yes you can say company A has a better product, be it quality or some other metric.

While Huawei does generate profits their business model is closer to Samsung then Apple. And as such they would be competing directly with Samsung and not Apple.

I don’t think the company is bad, or thier products. But you can’t live in a vacuum.
Compared to Apple Huawei has an inferior product. Because Apple is able to command on average 7x more than Huawei is capable.

I will put it another way.
Given the choice between a free 10pro or a free iPhone X. Most consumers would choose the iPhone.

If a product doesn’t sell , no matter how rabid the underlining fan base is,the company will not be able to sustain itself.
Look at blackberry, Nokia, HTC, and Motorola.
None of them survived.

To avoid going bankrupt, they either close down or if they have other divisions, sell off their mobile arm.

So yes sales is important.
 
don't trust internet fully.. I never heard of brand "MOBICEL" anyway. Apple recycled old product still a lot of user here.
But if equipment like imac/mac mini/ mac pro it dam rare user. If non related job i don't waste to waste 1k dollar for base imac.

Malaysia is a very small market where smartphone penetration is not particularly high.

How are MacBooks doing?

Apple is doing well in the price segments they compete in.
 
When I needed a second phone recently I picked up a Huawei P20 Slim. The UI or their implementation of Android is very nice and the hardware isn't bad at all. Definitely prefer my iPhone but at less than half the price I was delighted.
 
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