Other Humiliating No 120hz Display = Deal Breaker Apple’s blunder

[TheRealAlex]

You have been using Apple iPhones without those features and all of a sudden, it is a deal breaker to not have them? Your buying history kills your own argument.

I use a Note 10 Plus which I’ll be enjoying High Res Audio, LDAC and AptX-HD, MicroSD Extra storage. An 2K+ HDR OLED Display with No Notch. And more features than you can dream off. But I’ll stop there. And a iPhone 8 Plus. So two Phones.

And I still can’t wrap my brain around Apple snowflakes waiting for a drip 💧 of Samsung tech to eventually trickle down to them.

 

[TheRealAlex]

Why don’t they give us the option to activate it? According to reliable leakers, the Pro models will ship with capable 120hz panels, but it will be disabled in software.

I think they should ship the iPhone with a 60hz display, so people no interested in 120hz will not care about worst battery life. But they should give us the option to activate it in the Settings app.

Same here but replacements will be a nightmare. With the Prices of phone $1300 and up 120hz OLED HDR Display is a Must have.
USB-C also

And it’s humiliating for Apple. HUMILIATING

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

And I still can’t wrap my brain around Apple snowflakes waiting for a drip of Samsung tech to eventually trickle down to them.

It’s because iOS is generally the feature that is more important than the hardware itself. This is why you’ll see so many people still using older iPhones rather than upgrading as often. For me I prefer iOS to android and the continuity between devices like my Apple Watch, iPad, MBP and iPhone. Samsung have had the best phones for years in terms of hardware but for many it’s the interface that lets it down.

 

[TheRealAlex]

I couldn’t care less about the screen refresh rate on my phone.
I really don’t get why people on here see it as a massive dealbreaker feature, 60hz is more than smooth enough for me.

That’s part of the problem. I don’t want to see Apple become a clown like Intel. Blunder after blunder. Not innovating humiliation after humiliation put Intel where it is now. I don’t want to see Apple fall like this. Apple is essentially a Samsung parts re-seller now. If you step back and take an Objective look. I HATE THiS.
I want Apple to be that WOW device it was in 2008-2009.

Now it’s a joke with a Lightning connector.

 

[ericwn]

They may have had no choice. They probably lost the bidding war for 120hz display production this time.

Or the amounts they require could not be delivered in the quality or price they needed. We can but speculate.

 

[ericwn]

Great but if he’s posting his opinion, disagreeing with him isn’t going to suddenly make him forget how great 120hz is.

The OP is a thread starter. If you read over his other usual postings you will come to see that he’s really only focussed on making a strong entry statement and then moving on. Predictable and only ever based around spec sheet discussions.

He’s not seeking advice or looking to interact with you until the next post.

 

[Abazigal]

This is Humiliating as an Apple fan, I don’t want to witness Apple’s blunder after blunder and fall like Intel is now a clown of it former self.

I don’t expect every iPhone 12 SKU to use a high end 6.8” 120hz OLED 2K Display but I do expect the highest end 12 Pro Max 5G iPhone to have a 120hz Display.

As I was reading the latest Rumors on MacRumors it’s been all but leaked and confirmed that NO iPhone 12 model will have 120hz Display.

Thats A deal breaker.
How can they do this.? When Razer, Samsung, HTC, Asus, Lenovo, Sony and more all have phones with 120hz displays and if you have ever use one there’s no going backwards.

Like how Apple was making a blunder by releasing the iPhone 11 with a 326 PPI display (which went on to sell extremely well), not releasing a folding phone (which went on to tank for the competition), or not having a 5G phone (when the network is still nonexistent).

This basically sums up my peeve with every “Apple is doomed if it doesn’t do this” thread.

There is too much focus on specs and not enough on the user experience. There is not enough of “how does one use this product to get more out of technology”. And that’s why critics of Apple tend to end up being wrong more often than not.

The best way of covering Apple is to begin with Apple. You have to focus with Apple, and then you move outwards. You start with Apple, and then you analyse the industry that Apple operates in.

Instead, what I see a lot of people still do today is that they just treat Apple as any other company. But Apple does a lot of things differently, and if all you are doing is simply comparing Apple to everyone else and then go “Hey, Apple isn’t following what everyone else is doing, so I don’t think whatever Apple is doing is going to work”, I think they go down the wrong path.

 

[ericwn]

Same here but replacements will be a nightmare. With the Prices of phone $1300 and up 120hz OLED HDR Display is a Must have.
USB-C also

And it’s humiliating for Apple. HUMILIATING

That’s for the market to decide. Certainly humiliating to live of the spec sheet as if it would matter in real life.

Nothing was promised nothing was taken so no reason for the drama. Enjoy that Note forum then where you can read our spec sheets all day long. Seems to be right up your alley.

 

[Thoradin]

That’s part of the problem. I don’t want to see Apple become a clown like Intel. Blunder after blunder. Not innovating humiliation after humiliation put Intel where it is now. I don’t want to see Apple fall like this. Apple is essentially a Samsung parts re-seller now. If you step back and take an Objective look. I HATE THiS.
I want Apple to be that WOW device it was in 2008-2009.

Now it’s a joke with a Lightning connector.

I’m sorry but the WOW from the early years of the iPhone just wont happen anymore.
I don’t think Samsung devices WOW anybody either, everything in the smartphone market is essentially just an evolution of the original iPhone and just improving on the formula started all those years ago.
120hz refresh rate is just an evolution and isn’t really a needed feature for anyone other than hardcore gamers in my eyes.
Also there isn’t a NEED to move away from lightning, the iPad Pro is a different thing and needed the extra compatibility that comes with USB-C. I don’t think an iPhone really NEEDS that extra compatibility in the majority of use cases.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That’s part of the problem. I don’t want to see Apple become a clown like Intel. Blunder after blunder. Not innovating humiliation after humiliation put Intel where it is now. I don’t want to see Apple fall like this. Apple is essentially a Samsung parts re-seller now. If you step back and take an Objective look. I HATE THiS.
I want Apple to be that WOW device it was in 2008-2009.

Now it’s a joke with a Lightning connector.

Apple also has its one R&D house within Samsung so it’s not like they are just using Samsung parts. This seems to be a common misconception that Apple don’t innovate and just use other companies technology. That isn’t true.

 

[The Game 161]

Same here but replacements will be a nightmare. With the Prices of phone $1300 and up 120hz OLED HDR Display is a Must have.
USB-C also

And it’s humiliating for Apple. HUMILIATING

Look it is what it is. No phone in 2020 over 1K should have a 60hz screen. There will be other areas where the 12 pro will add and be impressive and improve the camera like it does every year. However the fact is there will be no periscope lens for another two years so we won’t get that great zoom the comp has. We may get 3x optical zoom but it won’t be great until we get a periscope lens.

think you need to realise hardware wise apple are 2-3 years behind just like they will be a few years behind when we finally get the under the display camera which may appear on android in 2021 or early 2022. Apple i bet won’t add it til 2023/2024 at a guess.

most people don’t care about these high end features as the phones that will sale well will be the 12 and older models. Those average customers just want a good working phone which will last. If you want all the latest technology then getting an iphone isn’t the best option.

 

[Puonti]

Ah man, I'd hate to be the kind of person whose day is ruined by non-bleeding edge specs. I bet that'd be terrible.

 

[TheRealAlex]

The OP is a thread starter. If you read over his other usual postings you will come to see that he’s really only focussed on making a strong entry statement and then moving on. Predictable and only ever based around spec sheet discussions.

He’s not seeking advice or looking to interact with you until the next post.

Here’s my follow up how’s that for interaction bud.

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Its a Freaking VRR Display yes it’s essentially a High end Gaming monitor or LG OLED Gaming TV with VRR. For those who don’t know VRR is a term For FreeSync and GSYNC

Yes the Note 20 Ultra 120 Hz Display has VRR. Guess my iPhone 8 Plus will need to last another year. Since anything beyond the iPhone 8 Plus (touch ID) has arguably been a downgrade in safety.

 

[TheRealAlex]

Apple also has its one R&D house within Samsung so it’s not like they are just using Samsung parts. This seems to be a common misconception that Apple don’t innovate and just use other companies technology. That isn’t true.

Give me two recent 2015 onward Apple innovations that Samsung didn’t pioneer first.

 

[ericwn]

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Its a Freaking VRR Display yes it’s essentially a High end Gaming monitor or LG OLED Gaming TV with VRR. For those who don’t know VRR is a term For FreeSync and GSYNC

Yes the Note 20 Ultra 120 Hz Display has VRR. Guess my iPhone 8 Plus will need to last another year. Since anything beyond the iPhone 8 Plus (touch ID) has arguably been a downgrade in safety.

Oh now the world needs a gaming monitor on a phone display. Great, without it the world will stop spinning. You keep posting these threads full of spec sheet comparisons for years. Just buy the stuff then. Apple will implement useful tech when it has a chance to do so at their convenience, not yours. They need plenty of displays to saturate their demand as well which is unlikely to be around in the first runs of production of anything. All that is common knowledge as well and wasn’t invented only yesterday.

In the meantime enjoy all these amazing games on that gaming monitor phone. Total game changer, literally. LOL

 

[TiggrToo]

Give me two recent 2015 onward Apple innovations that Samsung didn’t pioneer first.

Top of my head: Fully working & biometric secure Face ID and spatially aware AirPods using a dedicated chip.

 

[alFR]

Top of my head: Fully working & biometric secure Face ID and spatially aware AirPods using a dedicated chip.

Plus every version of the Apple Watch hardware since the S1 (how's that smartwatch business going for you, Samsung? Not so good, eh?), very low-latency drawing with Apple Pencil (Samsung just catching up with that now with the new Notes), industry-leading SoCs for phones, tablets, watch and now Mac. I'm sure there are a good few more as well, just can't be bothered to go back and check the release dates.

 

[TiggrToo]

Plus every version of the Apple Watch hardware since the S1 (how's that smartwatch business going for you, Samsung? Not so good, eh?), very low-latency drawing with Apple Pencil (Samsung just catching up with that now with the new Notes), industry-leading SoCs for phones, tablets, watch and now Mac. I'm sure there are a good few more as well, just can't be bothered to go back and check the release dates.

Meanwhile Apple’s 2016 phones will still be getting updated for another year - whereas Samsung’s 2018 devices seem to be left out in the cold for Android 11.

But hey, it’s all about the shiny things...

I’m still on my 7+ because it’s still supported. If I’d brought a S9 in 2018 then I’d need to buy a new device to get Android 11 in the fall. And folk say that Apple’s the only one with “forced obsolescence”...

 

[Abazigal]

Look it is what it is. No phone in 2020 over 1K should have a 60hz screen. There will be other areas where the 12 pro will add and be impressive and improve the camera like it does every year. However the fact is there will be no periscope lens for another two years so we won’t get that great zoom the comp has. We may get 3x optical zoom but it won’t be great until we get a periscope lens.

think you need to realise hardware wise apple are 2-3 years behind just like they will be a few years behind when we finally get the under the display camera which may appear on android in 2021 or early 2022. Apple i bet won’t add it til 2023/2024 at a guess.

most people don’t care about these high end features as the phones that will sale well will be the 12 and older models. Those average customers just want a good working phone which will last. If you want all the latest technology then getting an iphone isn’t the best option.

The counterpoint to that is that Apple doesn’t sell you technology. They sell you an experience, made possible by their tight control over hardware, software and services.

As such, I would argue that Apple is not defined by any one product, but rather, by the process that has led to Apple having a cohesive ecosystem of products and services.

To put it another way, Apple uses its design-led culture to sell devices capable of fostering a superior experience that users are willing to pay a premium for. It sounds like a load of hot air, until you look at the consumer electronics industry in general and realise that this is a phenomenon that is growing increasingly rare by the moment.

This is why people who rattle off a laundry list of specs that android phones have over the iphone usually miss the whole point of what made Apple so successful in the first place.

 

[The Game 161]

The counterpoint to that is that Apple doesn’t sell you technology. They sell you an experience, made possible by their tight control over hardware, software and services.

As such, I would argue that Apple is not defined by any one product, but rather, by the process that has led to Apple having a cohesive ecosystem of products and services.

To put it another way, Apple uses its design-led culture to sell devices capable of fostering a superior experience that users are willing to pay a premium for. It sounds like a load of hot air, until you look at the consumer electronics industry in general and realise that this is a phenomenon that is growing increasingly rare by the moment.

This is why people who rattle off a laundry list of specs that android phones have over the iphone usually miss the whole point of what made Apple so successful in the first place.

Basically different people have different needs and use cases. If you want the best technology then you buy a note phone. That has all the tech and specs you could want in a phone. Android is also a better option if you want to make the phone how you want it.

iPhones have different use cases like user experience, software updates, working with all devices really well and is stable.

For many iMessage is a massive thing. Here in UK it isn’t at all but other parts of the world people will only buy iPhones for this reason. All comes down to what it is important for your phone

 

[ian87w]

I use a Note 10 Plus which I’ll be enjoying High Res Audio, LDAC and AptX-HD, MicroSD Extra storage. An 2K+ HDR OLED Display with No Notch. And more features than you can dream off. But I’ll stop there. And a iPhone 8 Plus. So two Phones.

And I still can’t wrap my brain around Apple snowflakes waiting for a drip 💧 of Samsung tech to eventually trickle down to them.

I'm not following you're original complaint. You said you're an Apple fan, but you are already using Android flagship. What's the point berating Apple on things you yourself won't even use/buy?

Get the Galaxy Z Fold 2. That thing is a tech tour de force, an amazing device.

 

[Abazigal]

And I still can’t wrap my brain around Apple snowflakes waiting for a drip of Samsung tech to eventually trickle down to them.

You are not the only one (unable to understand why Apple does what they do or why they are so successful doing what they do).

I don’t blame you. Apple is not the easiest company to comprehend, and tons of people have found out the hard way that they bet against Apple to their own detriment.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Give me two recent 2015 onward Apple innovations that Samsung didn’t pioneer first.

Hmm, probably FaceID and 3D Touch. The former was never achieved by any other OEM possibly due to heavy patenting and ironically Samsung helped develop it alongside Apple. The latter was a brilliant innovation that was sadly under-marketed and will be missed by those who relied on it. The whole iOS interface is nicer to use than Samsung’s skinned version of Android though and whenever I’ve helped family members with phone issues, I’ve been reminded why I’ve not returned to using Samsung phones.

This isn’t to say that those who prefer Samsung are wrong in their choice, it’s subjective really. Samsung throw a lot of cool sounding features out there and many die off. Apple seem to be more conservative but ultimately in my view, deliver a much more polished user experience. I don’t even use Apples best iPhones so having the most innovation smartphone isn’t even on my radar anyway.

We also have to remember the Apple Watch and how that is perceived as the best smartwatch on the market in both cross device and health features. It’s the main reason I haven’t come away from the iPhone too.

 

[Abazigal]

Basically different people have different needs and use cases. If you want the best technology then you buy a note phone. That has all the tech and specs you could want in a phone. Android is also a better option if you want to make the phone how you want it.

iPhones have different use cases like user experience, software updates, working with all devices really well and is stable.

For many iMessage is a massive thing. Here in UK it isn’t at all but other parts of the world people will only buy iPhones for this reason. All comes down to what it is important for your phone

That’s the thing - I don’t want specs for the sake of specs. I want the company to be the one to implement these technologies in a cohesive manner, not just cram them all into a form factor and call it a day.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Basically different people have different needs and use cases. If you want the best technology then you buy a note phone. That has all the tech and specs you could want in a phone. Android is also a better option if you want to make the phone how you want it.

iPhones have different use cases like user experience, software updates, working with all devices really well and is stable.

For many iMessage is a massive thing. Here in UK it isn’t at all but other parts of the world people will only buy iPhones for this reason. All comes down to what it is important for your phone

I find a lot of my friends and family will only buy iPhones because it’s familiar. It’s easy to just transfer all data to a new phone without fiddling with it to get it right. I’m like that too, I just like to restore from a backup and be on my way without worrying about customising settings etc. FaceTime is a huge thing too I find with much of the people I have contact with. I know very few people with brand new iPhones too and certainly in the business world the older iPhones are king due to their long shelf life. iPhones are just easy to set up and maintain and are basic enough to appeal to a lot of people.

If you have me a brand new Samsung, I’d do almost the exact same things on it that I do on an iPhone and I bet that’s the same for many. It’s surprising also how many people will buy a top spec phone and use only 30% of the features on it.