Other Humiliating No 120hz Display = Deal Breaker Apple’s blunder

[The Game 161]

I find a lot of my friends and family will only buy iPhones because it’s familiar. It’s easy to just transfer all data to a new phone without fiddling with it to get it right. I’m like that too, I just like to restore from a backup and be on my way without worrying about customising settings etc. FaceTime is a huge thing too I find with much of the people I have contact with. I know very few people with brand new iPhones too and certainly in the business world the older iPhones are king due to their long shelf life. iPhones are just easy to set up and maintain and are basic enough to appeal to a lot of people.

Agreed, they are the perfect phones for a lot of people as they work. Let’s face it not everybody wants to upgrade every year or even 2. Some keep theirs til it stops working which can be 5-6 years.

Those people aren’t bothered about all the best tech. So really this is why choice is great.

 

[satinsilverem2]

Do you own a device with faceID? I do and I like it, see no reason to move on from it just because they cant shrink it to a pin hole. Never understood this form over function argument. Phones are not just fashion statements.

I agree with you. The notch has never bothered me at all. most of the time I dont even notice it. The benefits of Face ID far outweigh the cons of a notch on the phone. Like others said, most people couldn't care less or even know what 120hz means. My mother owns a 11 pro max (no promotion) and an iPad Pro 10.5 (promotion) and she has never called me and said "you know what the screen on my iPhone is S*** compared to my iPad screen."

 

[marty1980]

The 120Hz on my IPad is really nice. But it wouldn’t be a “deal breaker” for me to have another 60Hz iPhone screen.

And when they do give us 120Hz, it will likely be variable rate anyway.

It’s really not that big of a deal for most people. Not many people are switching to Android or skipping a new iPhone just because of the screen refresh rate.

 

[TheRealAlex]

Plus every version of the Apple Watch hardware since the S1 (how's that smartwatch business going for you, Samsung? Not so good, eh?), very low-latency drawing with Apple Pencil (Samsung just catching up with that now with the new Notes), industry-leading SoCs for phones, tablets, watch and now Mac. I'm sure there are a good few more as well, just can't be bothered to go back and check the release dates.

Wacom tablets were doing this and are doing this on a superior level for decades before Apple and the Apple Pencil. Besides it’s not Professional level some Ads show artists “using” and Apple Pencil but for commercial professional work Wacom tablets are the standard.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I sense here on Mac Rumours there is a need to highlight the superiority of certain devices and it’s a trend that came when the iPhone 6/6+ was unveiled. Is 120Hz the new ‘bigger phone is better syndrome’? Are we going to see over the next 2 years a lot of criticism for none 120Hz iPhones I wonder? I think a lot of enthusiasts forget that regardless of what iPhone you own, you’ve got a very solid and pleasant experience.

Whether you’ve got the very top end iPhone or the entry level version, the only person that needs to be convinced one is better is the owner them self.

 

[Abazigal]

Wacom tablets were doing this and are doing this on a superior level for decades before Apple and the Apple Pencil. Besides it’s not Professional level some Ads show artists “using” and Apple Pencil but for commercial professional work Wacom tablets are the standard.

I think it’s impressive that the ipad is able to do this without the need to connect a separate bulky and expensive drawing tablet. Apple has certainly democratised tech and made it more accessible and less intimidating to the masses.

 

[ericwn]

The counterpoint to that is that Apple doesn’t sell you technology. They sell you an experience, made possible by their tight control over hardware, software and services.

As such, I would argue that Apple is not defined by any one product, but rather, by the process that has led to Apple having a cohesive ecosystem of products and services.

To put it another way, Apple uses its design-led culture to sell devices capable of fostering a superior experience that users are willing to pay a premium for. It sounds like a load of hot air, until you look at the consumer electronics industry in general and realise that this is a phenomenon that is growing increasingly rare by the moment.

This is why people who rattle off a laundry list of specs that android phones have over the iphone usually miss the whole point of what made Apple so successful in the first place.

Excellent post!

 

[gnasher729]

A fanboy attitude to tell someone dont let the door hit them. Very sad to see. People are allowed to buy what they want and discuss it. This isnt the Apple butt kissing forum; people can have opinions.

When people complain about things that are irrelevant to 99.9% of users, then yes, they are allowed to buy what they want. People can have the opinion that if someone is sooooo against what Apple makes then they will be better off buying a different product.

 

[gnasher729]

Biometrics arent more "secure" when they default to a PIN, its for ease of access. Anything that defaults back to a PIN is still just a PIN protecting it as last line of defense.

What makes it more secure is the fact that with PIN only, 6 or 8 digits are a lot less convenient than 4 digits, so many people will use 4 digits, or no passcode at all, which is most convenient - until your phone gets stolen.

With TouchID or FaceID available, a six or eight digit PIN is much less inconvenient.

 

[Harthag]

I use a Note 10 Plus which I’ll be enjoying High Res Audio, LDAC and AptX-HD, MicroSD Extra storage. An 2K+ HDR OLED Display with No Notch. And more features than you can dream off. But I’ll stop there. And a iPhone 8 Plus. So two Phones.

And I still can’t wrap my brain around Apple snowflakes waiting for a drip 💧 of Samsung tech to eventually trickle down to them.

Did something change with the Note 10? Because I owned the S9, S10e, S10+, and S20+. LDAC was broken on all of them. They couldn't play audio at the highest LDAC setting / best quality / 990kbps. It was a choppy mess. Further, the only headphones that support LDAC are Sony, which I got rid of anyway. Owned the WH1000XM2 and XM3. It wasn't just my phones / headphones, others had same issues in Samsung forums. Regardless, latest Sennheisers destroy Sony, to my ears, but I digress...have not heard the Sony Mark 4 yet.

Also, NONE of those phones support AptX-HD. Not even the mighty S20. They support AptX and then Samsung's own HD codec. Curious how you've been enjoying AptX-HD when no one else has been able to use it.

It isn't exclusive to Samsung, Pixel 3 and 4 I couldn't even make the audio codec settings stick in developer settings and was always kicked back to the lowest LDAC setting. Giant PITA.

I am totally fine playing ALAC audio + wired headphones on my iPhone when I want higher quality audio for some downloaded music I have. For everything else I stream / use the cloud. 256 - 320kbps AAC sounds great to my ears when using quality headphones that support AAC codec.

 

[Ta0jin]

The counterpoint to that is that Apple doesn’t sell you technology. They sell you an experience, made possible by their tight control over hardware, software and services.

As such, I would argue that Apple is not defined by any one product, but rather, by the process that has led to Apple having a cohesive ecosystem of products and services.

To put it another way, Apple uses its design-led culture to sell devices capable of fostering a superior experience that users are willing to pay a premium for. It sounds like a load of hot air, until you look at the consumer electronics industry in general and realise that this is a phenomenon that is growing increasingly rare by the moment.

This is why people who rattle off a laundry list of specs that android phones have over the iphone usually miss the whole point of what made Apple so successful in the first place.

This is the most brilliant post I've ever seen on here ever! People do seem to forget about the experience and the ecosystem. Some get so busy looking at the list of features and forget everything else. Samsung makes great products but IMO needs to stop fighting google with duplicate apps, that's always bothered me with Samsung devices.

 

[snipr125]

Did something change with the Note 10? Because I owned the S9, S10e, S10+, and S20+. LDAC was broken on all of them. They couldn't play audio at the highest LDAC setting / best quality / 990kbps. It was a choppy mess. Further, the only headphones that support LDAC are Sony, which I got rid of anyway. Owned the WH1000XM2 and XM3. It wasn't just my phones / headphones, others had same issues in Samsung forums. Regardless, latest Sennheisers destroy Sony, to my ears, but I digress...have not heard the Sony Mark 4 yet.

Also, NONE of those phones support AptX-HD. Not even the mighty S20. They support AptX and then Samsung's own HD codec. Curious how you've been enjoying AptX-HD when no one else has been able to use it.

It isn't exclusive to Samsung, Pixel 3 and 4 I couldn't even make the audio codec settings stick in developer settings and was always kicked back to the lowest LDAC setting. Giant PITA.

I am totally fine playing ALAC audio + wired headphones on my iPhone when I want higher quality audio for some downloaded music I have. For everything else I stream / use the cloud. 256 - 320kbps AAC sounds great to my ears when using quality headphones that support AAC codec.

Agreed that AAC audio is actually quite good for 256-320 Kbps audio. However what really baffles me, is why the iPhone does not support Aptx when it is fully supported on Macs, so Apple do have the license for aptx. I use an aptx bluetooth receiver connected to my yamaha amp, and stream iTunes to it from my Macbook pro 2015 and it sounds amazing (literally no loss in quality compared to wired). It’s definitely streaming via the aptx codec, as you can check this by pressing ‘alt’ and the Bluetooth icon on Mac OS. When I stream audio from my iPhone to it, it sounds like absolute crap.

 

[1144557]

Why don’t they give us the option to activate it? According to reliable leakers, the Pro models will ship with capable 120hz panels, but it will be disabled in software.

I think they should ship the iPhone with a 60hz display, so people no interested in 120hz will not care about worst battery life. But they should give us the option to activate it in the Settings app.

Careful now, that type of opinion isnt allowed here to give the consumer choice

That’s for the market to decide.

Then what is a company if all it cares about is sales and money? You can keep putting a dog turd in a box and selling it, it doesnt mean people should be paying for dog turds.

Is McDonald's the best burger because they sell the most? Most and profits mean nothing to me as Joe consumer.

Money and sales figures also arnet everything; to the faceless corporation being defended, then sure it is. Tim Cook is laughing as the newest billionaire. If he could sell the same products every year with tiny spec bumps and not increase costs he would do it to make a buck, lets be real here. And Apple has!

These CEOs arent out for the little guy consumer, or "for the good of tech" If there was ONE guy I could (blindly without knowing the guy) guess is RELLY into it for the tech/science and not just money, it would be Musk not only with the electric car but space travel now. To me the guy genuinely is into advancing tech and science for the greater good (yes Im sure being stupid rich helps, sure)

Hmm, probably FaceID and 3D Touch. The former was never achieved by any other OEM possibly due to heavy patenting and ironically Samsung helped develop it alongside Apple.

To correct you there both Google (Pixel 4) and Huawei both achieved IR face scanning. I would guess the design tradeoff needing a huge notch or forehead wasnt worth it to either to advance the tech. There is nowhere forward to go with it until sensors can go under display which is years and years off still.

There is no other explanation to invest all of that money to use is 1-2 years.

What makes it more secure is the fact that with PIN only, 6 or 8 digits are a lot less convenient than 4 digits, so many people will use 4 digits, or no passcode at all, which is most convenient - until your phone gets stolen.

With TouchID or FaceID available, a six or eight digit PIN is much less inconvenient.

You really think average Joe consumer is using more than the stock 4 digit code? 😂 I think you GROSSLY overestimate people. I would bet a good sum of money 95%+ of normal people (not on a corporate profile with password restrictions) have a 4 digit PIN as that is the default out of the box.

These are the same people racking up the best passwords of the year being "password" "qwerty" "12345" etc.

 

[MacRazySwe]

I do agree here. Apple is falling behind the pack with screen tech again; just not LCD this time

I would say more than 120hz is the notch. Its the same huge 2017 notch that no other phone maker is doing anymore. Even $350 now have a tiny punchhole. If Apple cant shrink the Face ID tech then its time to move on from it. Working with no issues under display cameras are still years off

The notch is there for a reason. Not the one you think it is! I‘m pretty sure Apple could shrink it down should they want to. I think it’s not so much a technical matter, I think it’s about brand awareness. Just like the round Touch ID button quickly gave it away as an iPhone, the notch serves the same purpose now when the entire front is a display, on every phone out there.

You and I may not like it, but from a marketing standpoint it makes sense.

 

[cwwilson]

120Hz display would be amazing having had it on my last two iPads, but if Apple has decided it’s not time yet then who are we to judge.

It’s still going to be a great line of phones with many sizes available and world class speed along with great cameras. You know what you’re getting with a new iPhone.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

To correct you there both Google (Pixel 4) and Huawei both achieved IR face scanning. I would guess the design tradeoff needing a huge notch or forehead wasnt worth it to either to advance the tech. There is nowhere forward to go with it until sensors can go under display which is years and years off still.

You’re not really correcting me are you? No mobile phone company invented face scanning but Apple had the best form of it for mobile devices.

 

[AE_stc]

This is Humiliating as an Apple fan, I don’t want to witness Apple’s blunder after blunder and fall like Intel is now a clown of it former self.

I don’t expect every iPhone 12 SKU to use a high end 6.8” 120hz OLED 2K Display but I do expect the highest end 12 Pro Max 5G iPhone to have a 120hz Display.

As I was reading the latest Rumors on MacRumors it’s been all but leaked and confirmed that NO iPhone 12 model will have 120hz Display.

Thats A deal breaker.
How can they do this.? When Razer, Samsung, HTC, Asus, Lenovo, Sony and more all have phones with 120hz displays and if you have ever use one there’s no going backwards.

This reads like satire

You can’t truly be this upset? 120hz isn’t even that noticeable. I’ve got it on my iPad and barely notice when comparing it to my old one

 

[neoelectronaut]

Okay so...don't buy this year's iPhone and wait for the 120hz display to be included.

Problem solved.

 

[Closingracer]

Apparently some folk don’t get sarcasm...

Apparently some people can tell when people are sarcastic when you can’t see a persons face and only typing on a screen.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apparently some people can tell when people are sarcastic when you can’t see a persons face and only typing on a screen.

Just looked at that post and it was obvious but then again I’m from the country that invented sarcasm so I can tell maybe.

 

[Septembersrain]

120hz plus 5G is a massive battery killer. Apple likely won't want to include the option to lower the display like Android does, so that's probably why it's not included.

That and cost of course. With the pandemic the way it is, breaking the bank may backfire big time.

 

[Motionblurrr]

I'm not going to lie, sometimes when I walk around with my iPhone, I feel absolutely embhassased and humiliated by other people on Android because they can see from the corner of their eyes that my screen isn't 120hz like theirs 😭

I can't sleep at night knowing that their UI experience is a bit smoother than mine. I toss and turn at the thought of using 60hz everyday with a seamless ecosystem but screw it, I'd rather the iPhone go full Android than use another 60hz display ever again.

 

[slimejester]

I think no 120hz in the iPhone 12 is honestly not a big deal. This phone is designed for everyone hanging onto a 6, 7 and 8, basically the folks that haven't jumped on the X design. It's obviously a bummer, but I think 5G support, modest changes to form factor and 10-bit color in the Pros are the real deal features of the 12 line. Any conservative modification is enormous for the iPhone, so I think it'll be a solid model that will kick off the supercycle. While the Pros will have more suped-up specs, I think the star of this season will be the 5.4" model in the same way that the XR and 11 were focal points of their respective releases and huge sellers. I'm still most excited about the small screen size, even though I'm coming from a X. I just want a return to the perfect candy bar size of the 5. Having something like that with the X form seems like one of the best iPhones yet.

 

[ericwn]

Careful now, that type of opinion isnt allowed here to give the consumer choice



Then what is a company if all it cares about is sales and money? You can keep putting a dog turd in a box and selling it, it doesnt mean people should be paying for dog turds.

Is McDonald's the best burger because they sell the most? Most and profits mean nothing to me as Joe consumer.

Money and sales figures also arnet everything; to the faceless corporation being defended, then sure it is. Tim Cook is laughing as the newest billionaire. If he could sell the same products every year with tiny spec bumps and not increase costs he would do it to make a buck, lets be real here. And Apple has!

These CEOs arent out for the little guy consumer, or "for the good of tech" If there was ONE guy I could (blindly without knowing the guy) guess is RELLY into it for the tech/science and not just money, it would be Musk not only with the electric car but space travel now. To me the guy genuinely is into advancing tech and science for the greater good (yes Im sure being stupid rich helps, sure)



To correct you there both Google (Pixel 4) and Huawei both achieved IR face scanning. I would guess the design tradeoff needing a huge notch or forehead wasnt worth it to either to advance the tech. There is nowhere forward to go with it until sensors can go under display which is years and years off still.

There is no other explanation to invest all of that money to use is 1-2 years.



You really think average Joe consumer is using more than the stock 4 digit code? I think you GROSSLY overestimate people. I would bet a good sum of money 95%+ of normal people (not on a corporate profile with password restrictions) have a 4 digit PIN as that is the default out of the box.

These are the same people racking up the best passwords of the year being "password" "qwerty" "12345" etc.

I am not sure what you’re all on about here. I am simply putting a counter opinion to Alex’s usual drama of Apple being doomed, humiliating devices etc. If that would be the case the device will flop big time.

We’ll see how this plays out. The handful of users who change the entire ecosystem for a higher refresh rate display will surely chime in here soon, all 4 of them.

 

[aenflex]

I actually don’t mind the notch, wouldn’t mind seeing it smaller or gone, though. I don’t mind the slower screen refresh, but I’d like to have faster. In the end we all just choose what we spend our money on. One thing I’m certain of is I’ll never go back to 326ppi or LCD. Because I can definitely tell the difference.