I do not understand the 'notch' angst at all.

[nrvna76]

Because it looks like trash, and could have been done much, much more tastefully.

Further, Apple specifically FORBIDS developers from correcting it via software. You see the notch whether you want it or not. Plenty of other brands make devices with a full, massive screen, along with piles of sensors, better front facing cameras, and other features. Apple could have as well, but instead chose to force a terrible design choice onto all users that want a phone that's at least a little different from the same dreck they've been pushing for four years.

I'm sure the thread is full of Apple apologists, but the reality is that content doesn't account for a notch, and never will. UI elements on websites won't account for it. Hell, UI from Apple itself doesn't account for it, and instead ends up covered or awkwardly stretched, creating useless gaps, and smaller content.

I’ll risk entering this melee since I’m stuck her watching my wife’s nfl team..

Personally (and I don’t believe I am alone) I don’t mind the notch. I can’t say that I like it or that it’ll add to the experience but I also don’t think it looks bad at all. But geez, it’s the height of a status bar, it’s not very big. Seems some folks are new to Apples M.O. They are brilliant at marketing and they do not want the next gen iPhone to look like any other phone on the market. Ensuring the most possibly visibility to the notch ensures that. You’re allowed to not like that but Apple doesn’t care, it’s the new face of iPhone.

Why is the iPhone 8 bad? Inside the improvements are apparently fantastic. I’m not sure what redesign folks hoped for when this is likely the last year for a home button. Apple new some folks would not like being all in on faceid without it being in the wild, so they provided an alternative... they were supposed to come up with a new design for one year? The same company that released the SE..?

 

[inscrewtable]

Idk but I know why I dislike it but noway would be a deal breaker. I'm not sure if Apple increased the screen ratio like LG and Samsung has done but if it's still 16:9 video content will have part of the video cut out which is why I see it as a bad thing. I also think the Note 8 or S8 and the other ones trying to cut the bezels is a cleaner look but no big deal imho.

Check post #116 and #90

 

[MisterMillz]

a hypothetical side note..

if they do eventually manage to make that happen.. ie- everything is either under the display or otherwise not taking up any space on the front..

they'll have to do one other thing which is.. make it so it doesn't matter if the phone is pointing up or down.. because without the notch or any other visual or tactile cue as to orientation, half the time you try to swipe up, the phone will be upside-down without you knowing..

with the notch there and no home button, the notch tells us which way is up.. if the notch goes away then you'd need to be able to swipe up from either end.. (sort of how with landscape, you can turn it either direction)..
they'd then have to probably figure out a better placement for the rear camera because half the time, it will likely be in the wrong place and you'll block it with your fingers.

idk, for now, even if will don't realize it... we'll be using the notch as a means to know which way is up, where the camera is, etc.. just like we currently do with home button-- either via seeing it or feeling it.

Power button and volume rocker also tell us which way is up. Same goes for the mute switch.

 

[Applejuiced]

Dont mind him.
He will come up with more excuses, plenty more pictures posted, diagrams, flowcharts and comparisons to convince us that the notch on the top of the iPhone X screen is a feature and revolutionary
Seems like he's working hard at it

Power button and volume rocker also tell us which way is up. Same goes for the mute switch.

 

[flat five]

Power button and volume rocker also tell us which way is up. Same goes for the mute switch.

yes.. i agree.. same with lightning port..
they're just not very obvious if those were the only indicators.
(imo)

especially if the buttons and port do actually go away eventually.
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idk.. just looking down the road a bit too far but i think it'd be neat if a phone would be built where there's no top or bottom or side orientation.. it just works in any direction.. maybe even backwards too

i think we might see some other sorts of something prior to that happening though.
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Dont mind him.
He will come up with more excuses, plenty more pictures posted, diagrams, flowcharts and comparisons to convince us that the notch on the top of the iPhone X screen is a feature and revolutionary
Seems like he's working hard at it

what's the matter with posting pictures? you don't like them?

also, it's usually way faster for me to make visual explanations of things instead of trying to explain with words.. i'm no poet and often can't truly communicate an idea through words alone.

but hey.. you're posting at a Mac forum.. you have to assume that at least some people here know how to do these simple graphics in a very efficient manner

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Dont mind him.
He will come up with more excuses, plenty more pictures posted, diagrams, flowcharts and comparisons to convince us that the notch on the top of the iPhone X screen is a feature and revolutionary
Seems like he's working hard at it

not really sure where you're getting the idea that i think the X is revolutionary??
evolutionary, sure..
but revolutionary?
hmm.

you're reading what you want to read.. and missing any points along the way.
oh well

 

[inscrewtable]

Some in the wild reports concerning the notch...

http://bgr.com/2017/10/16/iphone-x-release-photos-in-the-wild/

Screens looks GIANT…then it fits fine in your hand. Feels impossible. Can’t stress enough how much notch is nothing. My 7 is *******.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017



Screen is so vivid. Bezels invisible. Swipe-to-home is butter. Silver edge (white phone) is OG. Notch is zero zilch nada.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017



App switcher vs home gesture feels “right”. 7 bezels are archaic. Samsung is 2 years behind. Notch is nothing nada zilch zero deal.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017


Normal iPhones are ruined for me. Junk. Bezels :: feature phones. Bleh.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017

 

[DNichter]

People who can't afford it or are afraid of change need to complain about something to justify their non-buying decision. They need to put others down to feel better about themselves. Been going on for years.

 

[OneMike]

People who can't afford it or are afraid of change need to complain about something to justify their non-buying decision. They need to put others down to feel better about themselves. Been going on for years.

Nah that’s not it. People just have an opinion pro or against and they’re sharing it on a... discussion forum.

You have the Apple can do no wrong but if Samsung did the same I’d be outraged, take my money crowd. You have the Apple can do no right, why am I even on this forum crowd. And you have everyone in between.

Personally I buy all of my phones outright and I’m not sold on the X just yet. It’s not a can’t afford thing or afraid of change. All change is not good and everything is not worth the price.

 

[rocksyoursock]

I think OP completely understands the 'notch angst', but doesn't agree with it. None of the answers were a surprise to OP – he already knew everyone's answer. I think this thread was more to defend/state his opinion than genuine research.

 

[redman042]

The notch is what it is. Based on posts from people who have seen one in person, it sounds like the notch quickly "melts away" once you really start enjoying the phone. I'm not worried about it.

 

[Raist3001]

Some in the wild reports concerning the notch...

http://bgr.com/2017/10/16/iphone-x-release-photos-in-the-wild/


App switcher vs home gesture feels “right”. 7 bezels are archaic. Samsung is 2 years behind. Notch is nothing nada zilch zero deal.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017

Out of curiosity, why is Samsung 2 years behind the iPhone X? The Galaxy 8 and note screens are gorgeous.

 

[subjonas]

Some in the wild reports concerning the notch...

http://bgr.com/2017/10/16/iphone-x-release-photos-in-the-wild/

Screens looks GIANT…then it fits fine in your hand. Feels impossible. Can’t stress enough how much notch is nothing. My 7 is *******.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017



Screen is so vivid. Bezels invisible. Swipe-to-home is butter. Silver edge (white phone) is OG. Notch is zero zilch nada.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017



App switcher vs home gesture feels “right”. 7 bezels are archaic. Samsung is 2 years behind. Notch is nothing nada zilch zero deal.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017


Normal iPhones are ruined for me. Junk. Bezels :: feature phones. Bleh.

— Ryan Jones (@rjonesy) October 14, 2017

Ok but all those comments are from the same person.

 

[Deeds500]

The so called notch? Call it whatever you want, but it is a cut out from the screen for goodness sakes. Either make it a permanent bezel, keep the ears for battery and wifi signals only or be really innovative and put all the sensors under the screen so there is no cut out or no permanent bezel. Apple had 3 options which would have made almost everyone happy, yet these incompetent clowns went and cluster farked it by choosing a fourth, and the worst, by cutting out a section of an oled screen. Lol seriously what were they thinking? Oh if I don't want my video being blocked by the cut out (is that better?) I just minimise the video. What's the point? Bad enough I'm already going to lose width being a Plus owner, now I gotta shrink my content because of the cut out, or the notch or whatever you want to call it. Worst flaw I''ve ever seen on an iphone followed closely by the protruding camera lense from the 6 onwards and the visible antenna lines.

 

[nrvna76]

Out of curiosity, why is Samsung 2 years behind the iPhone X? The Galaxy 8 and note screens are gorgeous.

Reports say android is years behind faceid. I believe that’s it.

 

[UL2RA]

Reports say android is years behind faceid. I believe that’s it.

That's what they're referring to, yes.

 

[ZipZap]

Its not an edge to edge phone as expected. The notch is ugly. I expect it will be gone in 2018,. Based upon the price, this is a fine example of a phone release worth skipping. It will be better in version 2.

 

[nrvna76]

Its not an edge to edge phone as expected. The notch is ugly. I expect it will be gone in 2018,. Based upon the price, this is a fine example of a phone release worth skipping. It will be better in version 2.

How is it not edge to edge?

And I think it’s crazy to expect the notch to be gone next year. This was a decision, not a requirement. Made the phone the most recognizable phone of 2017. The notch will live for years (or at least through next year).

 

[KingslayerG5]

I wouldn't say I hate the notch. Curved displays on the S6/S7 edge were more annoying thanks to palm rejection and I use my phone mostly for typing. But I wouldn't say I will ever like the notch since I do stream videos alot. Only time will tell.

My biggest concern is really how beta iOS11 still feels. And it's not the smoothness at all. Read the SE is fast and fluid on it. More of the battery drain and Apple being stingy on RAM like they were with the iPhone 6 duo which is now suffering with iOS11.

SE was originally on iOS9, and everywhere I read is stating battery drain is much quicker for several iPhone models. Two major updates later will start doing that. And remember iPhone X has nearly 300 mAh less battery capacity as the S8 while having the same display size.

This is like Gen 1 iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch with buggy software that will only get better and more refined with iOS11.1+, 12.1+, 13.1+. Face ID would also be even quicker by then.

 

[eoblaed]

So what the hell is the notch complaint about, I really do not understand it at all.

Some people just need something to complain about.

The notch doesn't bother me in the slightest and I don't see any real reason to hate on it except that certain people just expect to hate something, so might as well pick that.

 

[inscrewtable]

I find it amazing that you can make suggestions that reduce options and functionality and on that basis call Apple 'incompetent clowns'.

Yes the 'so called notch' because it is not a notch cut out of the screen, it is in fact the screen extended into an area that would if you had your way be all bezel.

If it were all bezel like everyone else has done, then the option of utilising this area as it now is, or as it could be in the future would not exist. You then suggest that they could perhaps just use the notch only for information. BOTH of those possibilities already exist as it would simply be a software tweak. It can easily be accomplished in software, and no doubt Apple will utilise this space in different ways depending on what applications are running.

Don't you see that you are simply parroting the view of almost every single tech reviewer who are unable to properly review the X because it has not been released and therefore have a vested interested in pandering to the likes of people like yourself in order to generate click bait revenue while they are waiting for the review.

Funnily enough because they have all collectively jumped on the 'hate the ugly notch' click bait bandwagon, and sucked you in, they can then generate equal huge click bait after it is released by then claiming that 'the notch that everyone hates (meaning you) is really very clever and brilliant...

Apple will sell 50,000,000 million of these phones and they'll mostly be to people who love the design or will come to love the design, and the few hundred whingers on forums are a minute fraction of a percent of these 50m.

The so called notch? Call it whatever you want, but it is a cut out from the screen for goodness sakes. Either make it a permanent bezel, keep the ears for battery and wifi signals only or be really innovative and put all the sensors under the screen so there is no cut out or no permanent bezel. Apple had 3 options which would have made almost everyone happy, yet these incompetent clowns went and cluster farked it by choosing a fourth, and the worst, by cutting out a section of an oled screen. Lol seriously what were they thinking? Oh if I don't want my video being blocked by the cut out (is that better?) I just minimise the video. What's the point? Bad enough I'm already going to lose width being a Plus owner, now I gotta shrink my content because of the cut out, or the notch or whatever you want to call it. Worst flaw I''ve ever seen on an iphone followed closely by the protruding camera lense from the 6 onwards and the visible antenna lines.

 

[Ralfi]

FullScreen Comparison:
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Zoom Extents Comparison (no cropping):
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Thanks. Great comparison.

something else that's interesting (to me at least) as far as the layout of the X's screen is concerned..

these newer phones are using 18:9 aspect ratios (or 2:1.. same thing)..

for example..
LG V30:

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(to visualize iPhone 6/7/8 on the above graphic.. cut off the top row of squares and the bottom row of squares.. you'll be left with 16:9 )


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Samsung S8:

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but what Apple did with the X is a little bit different.. they've gone with a wider 19.5:9 aspect ratio.. but what's interesting is within the notch and the opposing margin created by the round corners, you're left with a perfect 18:9 ratio within that space:

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and it's interesting because there's been a push lately start using 2:1 for video/films.. some prestige type TV shows have already started to adopt this proposed format.. such as Transparent, House of Cards, Fargo, Stranger Things.. as well as some movies...

Video shot in this format will preform great on these and similar phones.. edge to edge content with no loss.. (well, the S8 and V30 will lose a tiny bit in the corners).. with the X, this sized video will fit perfectly in between notch/bottom margin & the edges with zero loss of content even when maxed out in the shorter direction... for example, here's Stranger Things on iPhone X:

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and how this relates to anything would be... rumors about Apple inking deals to produce prestige TV shows ala Game of Thrones or Stranger Things etc.. i'm willing to bet when/if that happens, these shows will be shot in 18:9 ratios... and they're going to look awesome on iPhone X.

Again, brilliant. Informative stuff, that'll help people decide whether the X is for them or not.
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Dont mind him.
He will come up with more excuses, plenty more pictures posted, diagrams, flowcharts and comparisons to convince us that the notch on the top of the iPhone X screen is a feature and revolutionary
Seems like he's working hard at it

Can't take you seriously.

You write as if you're a measured person & respect others pov sometimes, but then mock other people who share the same view as those you respected earlier...

 

[Bhs1975]

I think folks will realize how great the design is once they get their hands on them.

 

[Applejuiced]

I am now devastated

Can't take you seriously.

[doublepost=1508295212][/doublepost]Because simply the display is not edge to edge.

How is it not edge to edge?

And I think it’s crazy to expect the notch to be gone next year. This was a decision, not a requirement. Made the phone the most recognizable phone of 2017. The notch will live for years (or at least through next year).

 

[redman042]

Out of curiosity, why is Samsung 2 years behind the iPhone X? The Galaxy 8 and note screens are gorgeous.

That’s of course up to debate depending on your point of view. But I would say the CPU (obvious from Geekbench), the OS (maybe it’s not as flexible but it’s WAY more refined/efficient and tuned to the hardware), FaceID, and build quality/materials.

 

[inscrewtable]

That’s of course up to debate depending on your point of view. But I would say the CPU (obvious from Geekbench), the OS (maybe it’s not as flexible but it’s WAY more refined/efficient and tuned to the hardware), FaceID, and build quality/materials.

I don't think it is the CPU because seeing as all non Apple chips are generic chips that everyone shares they will never be able to 'catch up' because when, or more realistically if they were able to match the processing power of Apple's designs Apple will be even further in front.

The two years behind would pretty well be referring to the 3D depth sensing because that does not only require very specialised hardware and hardware design to incorporate it but it is useless without heavy duty neural processing which are only now being added to other chip designs.

As for me, I've only just moved up from the iPhone 4s to last years 64GB SE, which now replaces my iPod Touch 6 gen. I'll more than likely be buying an iPhone X or the 2nd gen iPhone X in about 3 years.