Well, I tried, but you keep insisting on the same premisses, that $1K is low for China and etc.
Again, that's OT. I'm not wasting time since you've formed your opinion you're budging.
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I don't believe in 'iPhone 7' leaks and this is why [But I was wrong]
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Well, I tried, but you keep insisting on the same premisses, that $1K is low for China and etc.
Again, that's OT. I'm not wasting time since you've formed your opinion you're budging.
To be fair, you have to realize that cost of living is different in the US. A person can't really support themselves, let alone a family, with those kinds of wages. It therefore seems like exploitation because they could never get away with treating American workers like that.
For the record, I'm Canadian, but all things considered our standard in of living is pretty much the same as the US, so I can see where they're coming from.
Anyway, this is all beside the original point. Regardless of how people are paid or how they are treated, leaks happen. Whether it's for cash or notoriety some people are not good at keeping secrets.
Actually I wouldn't count the one time a teardrop design leaked for the 4S to be quite a few times. The 5, 5S, 6, and 6S were all called out specifically and early. Everyone knew the 5/5S would be an elongated 4S and everyone knew about the exact sizes and antenna designs of the 6/6S series many months before release. Times change. This is not 2011 anymore. I just don't know how much more of a consistent track record skeptics need than the last 4 releases..
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I can tell you one thing: I am living in Waterloo, ON. The rent I used to pay was 600 dollars and that was years ago. You tell me I can afford myself with 1000 dollars monthly income. Who are you kidding? That rent only. You still need buy food, pay electricity, pay gas, pay car insurance.
I was born in China and left China when I was 16. I went back to China several times before. My hometown is Taiyuan, Shanxi. I can tell you even with 4000RMB income, you can barely afford you living and sometimes you will have to ask parents for money.
Education in China is not entirely free. Lots of workers who works in Shenzhen are not local. In China if you are not local, you cannot go to local school or you pay hefty tuition (it is like how international student works). Lots of workers have kids and parents that living in remote areas. You have no idea how hard their life are. There are certainly no healthcare coverage for those workers. They will have to pay for medication, hospital. They will have to rent very small spaces for family of 3 or more. Stop pretending that merely 900 dollars is affordable living wage.
Well, is Faxcoon pays lowest? Absolutely e not. There are construction workers who do lot more than people in iPhone assembly line and get paid much lower. Sometimes they don't even get their pay at. But does Apple really want to be in line with some construction company that does not care about its labors? If Apple is all about what it claims to be, Apple need to do better.
Look Apple is entitled to pay whatever they wanted to pay. But one must question if Apple truly care about people who make their product. Without them, Apple would not be exist anywhere.
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First, Apple doesn't pay, foxconn does.
Second, if they paid, every liberal would criticize them because they are interfering with the market rules, and every conservative would blame them, for paying the chinese and not the american, and wall street will hit them for their profit margins.
Third, if I were Tim Cook, I wouldn't care. The general perception by the everyday Joe still stands from the Daisy scandal. For most people in the world, Apple emplyes 10 year old children, living in the worst conditions in the world, giving them pennies to barely survive. This won't ever change, doesn't matter how much good Apple does. So Tim does good by doing the basics his conscience tells him to do, and live with the damages. People are more interested in the rose gold tone than if it's made by children. Thats true.
Forth, as I said, I'm from Portugal, before everything moved to China in the late 1990's, Portugal was the China for European high end fashion items. Leica still says "Made in Germany" in the tin, but they are made in Famalicão, and shipped to Germany to put the shutter and the inscription. Leica is not bad, and for a time, they did put "Made in Portugal", but people stopped buying, so they did that. Leica cameras are extreme expensive, about $10k for the M camera + basic lens, I don't know how much do the employees make, but it's not much more (if more) than the Chinese for Apple. I have a Blueberry coat that I paid about 100€ (they retailed for more than 500€) before they moved to the U.K., and there were lots of other brands like Ecco shoes, Camel Active and others. Back then, I was at school, many colleges did work at factories underage, other poor boys worked at construction, nowadays, nobody thinks of that, everything went to China, lots of people were left out without jobs, specially people with no studies. What you want Apple to fight, is a war without honor or glory. It's fruitless for a single company to do so much, what China needs is a government that puts pressure for things to change, after all, if it's a communist government (they call themselves that), why aren't they fighting for their people?
This is my cold point of view. Again, we are diverging, this should be in another topic, in another section.
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Not in their entirety. Yes, there are some fake leaks but if you look at the whole picture, you will always know what new iPhone looks like.
Could we just stop using this argument, just because some things repeated in the past, doesn't mean they are repeating again.
In this specific case it means exactly this.
Why do people keep believing that you can produce so many units of a product without anyone noticing?
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Look at the OP again. It calls out two specific gospel truths: 1) no headphone jack and 2) antenna lines no longer going across the back. Another gospel truth would be a much larger rear camera on the 4.7" and a dual rear camera on the 5.5". One more gospel truth is that the phones will look in shape/size very similar to the prior two releases.
So if you agree 100% with the OP, you are agreeing that none of the things just mentioned will occur. Headphone dongle? I would argue that this has not been a gospel truth. It's been debated just as closely as whether a second speaker will replace the headphone jack space or if the home button will change. Varying thoughts on these occur without claiming certainty.
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So though I agree that we don't know for sure anything until it is actually presented up on stage next month, I do believe some of the leaked footage. I do believe the headphone jack will go away and of course the camera will be better and we will get an A10 Processor. Outside of that, we will have to wait a month and see what happens.
Well, again, there's that whole time with the "teardrop" design being heavily discussed and turning out to be nothing.
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It happened before? It's not to say it makes it more likely or anything of the sort, simply that there was a time when similar reasoning simply didn't hold up.
iPhone SE has the same design as the 5s, so you couldn't spot a leak. Case closed.
That's why most of us are willing to concede that there is a small chance, maybe 10%, that the rumours are false.
But guess what, when something looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, acts like a duck, and the last several times it turned out to be a duck... It's probably a duck this time too.
No case closed, they were "reporting" completely fake leaks, that were not the 5s design.
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I think the bigger story here is that no one cares about leaks anymore because the iPhone hasn't broken any exciting new ground in years.
No different than any other consumer electronic product entering its 10th year of maturity. The improvements become iterative, not innovative.
BJ
No different than any other consumer electronic product entering its 10th year of maturity. The improvements become iterative, not innovative.
BJ
They were also reporting it to look exactly like a 5s. There have only been reports of it being one way this time.
We know what it looks like, not sure why you are acting this way unless you are just trolling for responses.
Doesn't seem that's true. Plenty of Internet bandwidth appears to be devoted about leaks.
Repeat after me: it's my opinion. If you want yours to be respected, respect the others.
Internet bandwidth for iPhone speculation is all about making money for the rumor blogs. Forum discussion is the better barometer now, and very few people care about the new iPhone.
Do we really need a better camera to take selfie's for social media? Do we really need to buy new headphones because we may lose a jack? Is haptic feedback for a home button going to change anyone's life? Does anyone care about the color of the aluminum if we all use a case?
Look, I'm one of the idiots who waited on the line for hours to get the iPhone 3 and 4 and 5 back in the day. My iPhone 6 is a terrific device. I don't really see the need to upgrade at this point, especially since the pricing structures make phone ownership expensive and the new features are completely unexciting.
BJ