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I guess the iPad will have its arse kicked

Arran said:
True, but how many of those Android phones were actually sold, as opposed to being given away in the "Buy One Get One" promotions that were running last year?
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that what I sort of meant with how to look at the data and:

for the companies producing the phones the only thing that matters is how much money they make.
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They might have higher sales numbers (if you count a $0 sale as a sale) but what's important at the end is how much money they make. Apple makes a lot on every device they sell and on top of that they get additional $10 per month per phone from AT&T for the exclusive contract [which might end soon] - don't now if any android phones have similar contracts.

At the end of the day the important thing for companies is and will always be how much money is in the pocket [exceptions apply]
 
uberamd said:
I'm surprised Apple hasn't added wifi/bt/etc toggles to the home button double tap slider.
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Perhaps they will for iOS 5. As much as I love my iPhone/iPad, Apple haven't thought of - or don't want to implement - some really handy features. You really need to jailbreak iOS devices to make them as usable as they can be.
 
uberamd said:
I'm surprised Apple hasn't added wifi/bt/etc toggles to the home button double tap slider.
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Because they would have had to shrink the UI elements to put more stuff in or add a 2. page. Most ppl don't need to switch bt or wifi all the time. And with with multitasking/fast app switching it isn't too much of a hassle to get to the settings and back to your app.
 
0815 said:
Apple makes a lot on every device they sell and on top of that they get additional $10 per month per phone from AT&T for the exclusive contract [which might end soon]
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There is no evidence that Apple gets any part of the monthly fees from AT&T. There were rumors of it with the original iPhone which was unsubsidized.

Apple just receives a one-time subsidy for each iPhone that is registered for a two-year contract with AT&T like every other phone manufacturer. (They just get more than the others.)
 
GFLPraxis said:
Oh look, a bunch of unreleased products are better than a six-month-old device!

Meh.
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and even the 'better' is questionable.

A bunch of 'features' that only the geek population needs and otherwise drains the battery does not mean better. Should be its better for 'some'

BaldiMac said:
There is no evidence that Apple gets any part of the monthly fees from AT&T. There were rumors of it with the original iPhone which was unsubsidized.

Apple just receives a one-time subsidy for each iPhone that is registered for a two-year contract with AT&T like every other phone manufacturer. (They just get more than the others.)
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You can be sure that AT&T is paying something for the exclusive right, and it better be good for the length of that contract. But it does not really matter - just look at the Apple earnings reports. What counts is, they make a boatload of money.

Darth.Titan said:
That's another one of those misleading articles comparing an OS (Android) with a phone (iPhone). For a proper comparison, make it a straight OS to OS comparison and include the iPod Touch and iPad numbers, as well as the non-smartphone Android products.

Compare the OSes correctly, and iOS still has a pretty good majority over Android.
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That also wouldn't be right. It should be either "specific phone vs specific phone" or "iOS based Phone vs Android OS based Phone" - everything else would not be fair. If there is only one phone for a specific OS (even if it is as fantastic as the iPhone) , oh well, thats life.
 
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0815 said:
I don't even use them on my mac - they are pointless and even more so on the iPhone. On the iPhone if I want to see the weather, i use fast app switching to bring it up look at it and go back to the app I was in before. what would widgets buy me?
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Agreed. Widgets are a fairly worthless feature.

Has anyone actually seen the videos of honeycomb? I've watched a number of them Engadget and I don't see anything worth getting excited about. It's nice that they are creating an OS that can actually compete against the iPad, but there's nothing earth shattering.
 
Arran said:
True, but how many of those Android phones were actually sold, as opposed to being given away in the "Buy One Get One" promotions that were running last year?
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A whole crap load. And at 40 dollars for an iPhone 3GS , apple is pretty much giving them away too.

acastic said:
Agreed. Widgets are a fairly worthless feature.

Has anyone actually seen the videos of honeycomb? I've watched a number of them Engadget and I don't see anything worth getting excited about. It's nice that they are creating an OS that can actually compete against the iPad, but there's nothing earth shattering.
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Access to the file folders, flash, returnable apps, USB ports, open platform.
 
Darth.Titan said:
That's another one of those misleading articles comparing an OS (Android) with a phone (iPhone). For a proper comparison, make it a straight OS to OS comparison and include the iPod Touch and iPad numbers, as well as the non-smartphone Android products.

Compare the OSes correctly, and iOS still has a pretty good majority over Android.
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Actually I think you are totally wrong here.

If you have on one hand Android Phones and are seeing how Android Phones sell against how iPhones sell, then of course you can only include phones.

If however, We had Android Touch's and Android Tablets, then fair enough would could compare all of them to each other.

You can't say Android is less popular than the iPhone and include the iPad in the Apple numbers when there, for realistic numbers, not really any meaningful Android tablets to speak of yet, that's just silly.

And I would say the same if the situation were reversed as I don't need to favour either side.
 
Piggie said:
If you have on one hand Android Phones and are seeing how Android Phones sell against how iPhones sell, then of course you can only include phones.
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Sure, you can make the comparison, but why? It is a perfectly fine metric. But what is the point of the comparison? There are more Android phones sold in a quarter than iPhones. Yay? So, what do they win?

Google wins something, I suppose. But they probably make more off of an iPhone than an Android phone.
 
BaldiMac said:
Sure, you can make the comparison, but why? It is a perfectly fine metric. But what is the point of the comparison? There are more Android phones sold in a quarter than iPhones. Yay? So, what do they win?

Google wins something, I suppose. But they probably make more off of an iPhone than an Android phone.
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Highly unlikely.
 
Goggle doesn't make anything from sales of iPhone apps. They do make money off each sale of a google marketplace app.
 
I've read plenty of people say iOS needs to be significantly improved with loads of swanky features. Let me tell you this...

Other companies add features for the sake of it to add points on the spec list. This is in my opinion complicates and clouds the design. That's what I got from Android as a mobile phone system. Lots of great little bits, but overall, it compromised the use and stability.

Apple's (or steve job's philosophy) is to add to enhance and keep it simple. That's why people love using Apple's products and new users to computers instantly attach to them. The point is proven when my aunt decided to take on computers 18 months ago. Windows was a struggle but the Acer died 18 months down the line. They would of had no clue how to setup a windows PC from scratch. Then the decision to get an iMac cropped up. Wondering how they'd got on, on their own, they got it running from scratch and had the broadband working in no time.

Going back to the OP, it shouldn't be the one device against the next. Each device will taylor different people. Just one thing we know is that the iPad appeals to a lot of people because it set the standard.
 
BaldiMac said:
Sure, you can make the comparison, but why? It is a perfectly fine metric. But what is the point of the comparison? There are more Android phones sold in a quarter than iPhones. Yay? So, what do they win?

Google wins something, I suppose. But they probably make more off of an iPhone than an Android phone.
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Personally it all means nothing to me, and it's pretty obvious if you have 1 company that refuses to licence software to other builders, and want to make it's own hardware that it won't be able to be the largest player.

I'm not really sure what the best thing for Apple to do would be.

I mean would OSX be the biggest and most widespread operating system in the world today if it had licensed it to other's years ago?

If Apple had licenced iOS to others and we had Motorola, Samsung, Creative, Asus, Sony, Dell etc etc, iOS tablets on the market now.

Where would google be? I don't suppose it would have a chance, the same for iOS on the phones if it was licenced.

Perhaps that would be a bad idea?

Perhaps doing it would have let Apple dominate the world?

Who knows.
 
Dragoro said:
Goggle doesn't make anything from sales of iPhone apps. They do make money off each sale of a google marketplace app.
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Google makes 98% of their revenue from advertising. Google's Admob is in iPhone apps and they still make money on search, so the fact that iPhone users generate 3x the web traffic as Android users is good for Google. And, of course, the default search engine on the iPhone is still Google.

App sales are inconsequential to Google's revenue, especially considering all indications are that not many people actually pay for apps from the Android Market.

Piggie said:
Personally it all means nothing to me, and it's pretty obvious if you have 1 company that refuses to licence software to other builders, and want to make it's own hardware that it won't be able to be the largest player.

I'm not really sure what the best thing for Apple to do would be.

I mean would OSX be the biggest and most widespread operating system in the world today if it had licensed it to other's years ago?

If Apple had licenced iOS to others and we had Motorola, Samsung, Creative, Asus, Sony, Dell etc etc, iOS tablets on the market now.

Where would google be? I don't suppose it would have a chance, the same for iOS on the phones if it was licenced.

Perhaps that would be a bad idea?

Perhaps doing it would have let Apple dominate the world?

Who knows.
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I'm pretty sure that Apple is okay with their current business plan. Not too much second guessing when it has turned them into the second largest company in the country.

As far as the "what ifs," it's really a trick question. OS X wouldn't be OS X with tons of vendors to support and appease. iOS wouldn't be iOS if the company that designed it didn't have the principles of the company that designed it. And the same concerns about vendors and appeasement.
 
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BaldiMac said:
Google makes 98% of their revenue from advertising. Google's Admob is in iPhone apps and they still make money on search, so the fact that iPhone users generate 3x the web traffic as Android users is good for Google. And, of course, the default search engine on the iPhone is still Google.

App sales are inconsequential to Google's revenue, especially considering all indications are that not many people actually pay for apps from the Android Market.
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You stating that doesn't make it true. Proof or it's not true.
 
janstett said:
I gotta completely disagree here. One widget I've seen on android lets you turn WiFi and Bluetooth on and off in one swipe -- that's handy for those of us who use wi-fi at home but don't want stray "do you want to join XXXXXX?" messages when on the road, not to mention saving battery when roaming in the field. If you're out and about in 3G land having the wifi radio on wastes battery. On the iPhone you gotta go a few levels into the settings menu every time. And the Android lock screen/home screen with widgets does some impressive things (such as weather, search, media controls) that iPhone would do well to imitate.
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This could be addressed relatively easily with some modications by apple in the settings so you only need to do this once. Possibly even with a certain touch gesture. Certainly no need for a 'widget' for this in iOS...
 
Piggie said:
Are you sure:


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1935471/android-overtakes-iphone


Given other reports quoting numbers such as Android growing by over 800% in the last year, I'd say Android is more like an unstoppable steam train that's going to blast past Apple.

Apple are probably not bothered as they know full well this is going to happen and there is nothing they can do about it. Well there is, but they won't.

I think the iPad is a great product, and it will be a shame if the same happens to this with Android tablets blasting past the iPad in the next few years.

There is only 1 company that can stop this happening, question is, will they, or will they happily just make what they want to make replying on loyal brand customers rather than competing.

If only my crystal ball was working. How I would love to see what the market looked like at 2020.

Whether Apple was the king at the top of the pile, or everyone was looking back at how they waisted their lead and missed the opportunity as they were far too sure of themselves.

We'll see :)
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I believe the only reason Android has had such a huge growth is because of the amount of different phones Android comes on. If Android only came as one phone, it wouldnt even be close.
 
BaldiMac said:
I'm pretty sure that Apple is okay with their current business plan. Not too much second guessing when it has turned them into the second largest company in the country.

As far as the "what ifs," it's really a trick question. OS X wouldn't be OS X with tons of vendors to support and appease. iOS wouldn't be iOS if the company that designed it didn't have the principles of the company that designed it. And the same concerns about vendors and appeasement.
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They would have become MS and with that all the troubles that come with 95% marketshare. Virus's, bad drivers, stuff not working.. etc..
 
mudslag said:
I believe the only reason Android has had such a huge growth is because of the amount of different phones Android comes on. If Android only came as one phone, it wouldnt even be close.
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Of course, you are 100% correct in what you say.

So when you have say a dozen or more of the top electronics companies in the world making Android tablets, then logically, potentially & naturally they will out sell Apple's iPad in time, just for this reason alone.

It's up to Apple to offer the very best, to keep them at the very top of the tablet game with their 1 year lead, and offer the best products to people who will then choose Apple over one of the Android models from one of the other makers.

The ball is totally in Apples court as they say. If they throw away their massive lead by allowing others to offer better specced tablets that in a couple of years time outsell them, then it will be shameful.

I suspect the iPad will be at No.1 for all of this year, and perhaps mid to end of next year we will start to see how things are moving.
 
uberamd said:
QFE. Major point. No single company has toppled Apple in iPhone sales. It has taken hundreds of devices on every US and international carrier combined to beat the iPhone numbers.
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The iphone section of apple, if it were its own company, is actually bigger than Coca Cola, Pepsi, and Nike. I think it says it all really.

BIGGER THAN COKE.
 
jns2001 said:
Have you guys seem the specs of the new Motorola Xoom, and it is open...

Not trying to be a troll, I do have an iPad 3G 64.

I meant kicked.
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I've seen lots of tablet spec's come and go, doesn't matter if the UI is laggy and unresponsive. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but the videos they are showing are edited/blue screen video's, not running on actual hardware. Apple did the same thing prior to launch, proof is yet to come.

"and it is open..." Yep, right up to the point they release it on any given US cell carrier that puts their restriction or bloatware on the device. Then it's just going to sit in line and wait for weeks, months or years for any updates as you get to hold your Xoom with 3.0 as 3.1, 3.2 etc.. roll out.

iPad has it's shortcomings, but at least my hardware runs smooth, and I can update to the latest OS version for a few years before it's obsolete. Android smartphones outside the world of Google's own Nexus One and now Nexus S get to wait in line until each carrier recodes their restrictive UI skins and decide if they "allow it".

Sounds "open" to me.
 
ZilogZ80 said:
The greatest asset of the iPad (in my opinion) is not whatever technical features it may or may not have versus it's rivals - it's the App Store. I think all tablets will succeed or fail based on the range, quality and ease-of-use of their applications. At the moment I think Apple is miles ahead of the competition and I cannot really see this changing.
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Quite honestly, I like the Apple Store, but I would not mind going to a web site to get my fix of software from an ISV that does its marketing and makes me go there. Better yet, I can download software that is uncensored in any way or form, not that I buy porn on my computer, but if I wanted to do it on the Ipad, there would be no way to get a dirty movie, calendar, etc...And this is just an example, I can mention other types of software, but I won't go there.
 
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