It is not a friggin phone it is a tablet, and a Wi Fi one does not need to be sold by a carrier, can be sold at Best Buy and others with the original OEM software.
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I guess the iPad will have its arse kicked
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It is not a friggin phone it is a tablet, and a Wi Fi one does not need to be sold by a carrier, can be sold at Best Buy and others with the original OEM software.
Did anyone else catch the comments made about the game they Demo'd in the Honeycomb preview that was just posted a few hours ago.
Dungeon Defenders:
And I quote...............
"Really great on this hardware"
"been optimised specifically for the tablet"
"This version of Dungeon Defenders has the best resolution of any mobile device, it has more levels, it has more detailed textures & it can support more than twice as many bad guys on screen at the same time."
Seeing as this game is on the iPad and those references/comparisons above were obviously make with the iPad in mind. I'm impressed.
I wonder how much extra power Apple are going to put into the iPad2 to perhaps equal or better this?
Dungeon Defenders:
And I quote...............
"Really great on this hardware"
"been optimised specifically for the tablet"
"This version of Dungeon Defenders has the best resolution of any mobile device, it has more levels, it has more detailed textures & it can support more than twice as many bad guys on screen at the same time."
Seeing as this game is on the iPad and those references/comparisons above were obviously make with the iPad in mind. I'm impressed.
I wonder how much extra power Apple are going to put into the iPad2 to perhaps equal or better this?
I know of a company that was once bigger than Coke, It starts with a G and ends with an M, guess who they are...;-))
Fist of all, watch this video from the Verizon press conference at CES: Honeycomb Preview
Now compare this with the iPad in terms of the OS alone. There's a lot of app-specific functionality that is better for one or the other (such as google maps for Honeycomb, iBooks for iOS), but that's not really part of the OS.
1) Home screen: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: Search button. Honeycomb has a legitimate desktop with customizable content. Optional widgets (that actually look really handy, re: gmail/calender widget). Shortcuts to much more than just apps. For the fanboys: if you think the iOS home screen is "all you need", well the Honeycomb home screen can be just app icons too.
2) Browser: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: Honeycomb has actual tabbed browsing and can optionally support flash.
3) Multitasking: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: Both use fast-app switching. Honeycomb shows a vertical list of thumbnails with the current app state (seriously, watch the video, it looks fantastic).
4) Notifications: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: You know why.
Considering that the functionality of both OSes are pretty similar, Honeycomb is clearly a class above iOS. Google really changed parts of Android so that certain functions work more appropriately for a tablet. iOS on the iPad is identical to iOS on the iPhone.
If you have followed the development of iOS thus far, you will also know that iOS 5 will not bring enough improvements to match what Honeycomb has already demonstrated (Apple tends to add only 1 or 2 major features per release).
That said, the iPad (2) will still sell spectacularly. It's built well, has amazing battery life, has the fully-developed app store, and is perceived well by consumers. It will sell well because it's the easy choice and most people are familiar with it. While it's clearly out-classed by Honeycomb, it's still at least 90% as good so it's other strengths will make up the difference.
Bottom line: Honeycomb is better than iOS 4, will be better than iOS 5, but the iPad (2) will still be the most popular and best-selling tablet of 2011. Guess that means everybody wins, right?
Now compare this with the iPad in terms of the OS alone. There's a lot of app-specific functionality that is better for one or the other (such as google maps for Honeycomb, iBooks for iOS), but that's not really part of the OS.
1) Home screen: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: Search button. Honeycomb has a legitimate desktop with customizable content. Optional widgets (that actually look really handy, re: gmail/calender widget). Shortcuts to much more than just apps. For the fanboys: if you think the iOS home screen is "all you need", well the Honeycomb home screen can be just app icons too.
2) Browser: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: Honeycomb has actual tabbed browsing and can optionally support flash.
3) Multitasking: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: Both use fast-app switching. Honeycomb shows a vertical list of thumbnails with the current app state (seriously, watch the video, it looks fantastic).
4) Notifications: Honeycomb > iOS
Why: You know why.
Considering that the functionality of both OSes are pretty similar, Honeycomb is clearly a class above iOS. Google really changed parts of Android so that certain functions work more appropriately for a tablet. iOS on the iPad is identical to iOS on the iPhone.
If you have followed the development of iOS thus far, you will also know that iOS 5 will not bring enough improvements to match what Honeycomb has already demonstrated (Apple tends to add only 1 or 2 major features per release).
That said, the iPad (2) will still sell spectacularly. It's built well, has amazing battery life, has the fully-developed app store, and is perceived well by consumers. It will sell well because it's the easy choice and most people are familiar with it. While it's clearly out-classed by Honeycomb, it's still at least 90% as good so it's other strengths will make up the difference.
Bottom line: Honeycomb is better than iOS 4, will be better than iOS 5, but the iPad (2) will still be the most popular and best-selling tablet of 2011. Guess that means everybody wins, right?
To be honest with you all, I wanted the iPad to have OSX, a full blown OS, copy files, print files, download files, get third party software that didn't have to go through the censorship of Apple (Google Voice Mail, anyone?), also I signed for a piece of crap from Apple called Mobileme to get things neat between my iPad, iPhone, MBA, and MBP Pro (the latter issued by my company and I hate it, heavy, no SSD, slow MOFO). This thing went crazy the other day and replicated my contacts 6 or 7 times, as of today, I was not able to go back to the status that once it was, all neat with pics, info, etc...And I am talking about 1,700 contacts. I hate PC's but that does not has taken my sense of reality when I see something wrong with Apple, I truly do not like to be controlled by anyone, specially if I am paying for it.
But isn't Android used by many companies, just like Windows is? My point is that a wider variety of models running different variations of the same operating system will absolutely take the larger market share, mainly due to the release of both high-end and cheaper models, meaning that there is a price range that suits just about everyone. Apple only releases high-end models, and for them to have such a large market share is incredible.
So is the Galaxy tab, but people want cheap, cheap hardware so they put a 3G chip in them and subsidize the price thru carriers. Aside from that, I'll bet Motorala puts their own skin on the UI and won't keep up with the Android updates.
I will be happily surprised if they don't, but so far if Google doesn't build the hardware it gets left behind. I'm actually excited about all the new tablets, but so far trying not to get my hopes up as every tablet so far has been a rather big let down.
I think part of the reason Android is gaining popularity is because people are sick of Apple telling them what they CAN'T do. The appeal of an "open" platform doesn't just appeal to geeks. Finally there is an iPhone-like platform where you CAN have custom SMS tones, you CAN take the battery out, you CAN have full bluetooth functionality, you CAN load stuff onto it without having to go through iTunes, etc. And you have a choice of big screen, small screen, budget device, premium device, physical keyboard, touchscreen keyboard, etc.
And if the phone lacks a particular software feature you really want? Developers have more freedom to create apps which integrate with the system at a deeper level. (Both a positive and a negative, as I'm sure we're going to hear about lots of Android security breaches as time goes by.)
I'm loving the look of the Motorola Xoom but I also love my iPad which I'm hoping will see me through for a couple of years. But if Apple don't do something a bit more interesting than more iterations of devices based on the same static grid of icons, and if Honeycomb can live up to the hype, I'm not so sure my next tablet will be an Apple one.
And if the phone lacks a particular software feature you really want? Developers have more freedom to create apps which integrate with the system at a deeper level. (Both a positive and a negative, as I'm sure we're going to hear about lots of Android security breaches as time goes by.)
I'm loving the look of the Motorola Xoom but I also love my iPad which I'm hoping will see me through for a couple of years. But if Apple don't do something a bit more interesting than more iterations of devices based on the same static grid of icons, and if Honeycomb can live up to the hype, I'm not so sure my next tablet will be an Apple one.
I couldn't agree more, except for the part that I will keep my iPad for another couple of years if something really nice shows up.
Analogous to the point that any company can go from gold to ashes if they sit and don't follow inovation at the same pace of others, Coke has nothing to do with Apple, but in your example, market cap can disappear really fast if the market conditions change. How many great companies in the tech sector has disappeared since 2000, some even before that. I do remember a company that was very successful once called Wellfleet, then they merged with another company called Synoptics, and start being called Bay Networks, then they were acquired by Nortel and were "assimilated", then Nortel went caput, and had its assets acquired by a company called Avaya. Who could imagine that once the powerful Nortel would disappear from the map in 1999, 2000 in North Dallas with 30,000 employees, buying property like crazy, and yet today they don't exist anymore.
Sorry guys, this is my first day of vacations, I didn'tt have too much time to post on those forums until now. I am only traveling on Monday, so I am having a lot of fun with those heated discussions. I apologize if I had come across too abrasive to some of you.
Seriously pleople ... Get over the fact that Android is now more popular than iOS ... WHO CARES, we have good hardware and software from apple, thats all that matters. Now for all the people that want iOS to be this open OS, well go to Android once and for all and stop coming here on these forums to bitch about it, no one cares and apple really dont care about how you bitch about it.
Do you really think that its all doom and gloom for apple because of honeycomb ? no way !!!
How can you people actually judge honeycomb OS versus iOS ?? ... Oh yeah I forget ... Some of you are sherlock holmes and watch the honeycomb videos none stop about it and without even trying it by yourself ... You are an expert.
For the last time if you dont like iOS please please leave us alone and get unto the Android bandwagon and stop bitching about it.
Do you really think that its all doom and gloom for apple because of honeycomb ? no way !!!
How can you people actually judge honeycomb OS versus iOS ?? ... Oh yeah I forget ... Some of you are sherlock holmes and watch the honeycomb videos none stop about it and without even trying it by yourself ... You are an expert.
For the last time if you dont like iOS please please leave us alone and get unto the Android bandwagon and stop bitching about it.
OK, so now it's Apple that needs to "follow innovation," whatever that means? I thought that was Google's job, you know, following the innovator, which is Apple in this case.
Apple solely created and released a wildly successful piece of hardware called the iPad in April of 2010. Every other company's attempt to capitalize on it's success with a copycat product of their own has failed to this point. Follow innovation? What the heck are you talking about?
Well, back then Bay Networks was the innovator and Cisco was trailing it, trying to partner with Cabletron, now who is your daddy on the network space?
But this is not even my point. My point is that the Poster said that Coke and GM had nothing to do with it, and the analogy wouldn't make sense, when he/she used the Coke/Apple analogy. Then I have extrapolated it to an area that I was very familiar with once upon a time (I am not that old), and the changes in the Tech companies that happens all the time. I think the next big one to tank will be MS, where is the innovation there? Windows and Office, can they do something more original than that?
Isnt android only really the most 'open' when you root it? Why not compare the openness of a rooted android device with that of a jailbroken iOS device.
You dont just have to consider the official stuff, ya know...
Apple always gives what they feel consumers want. People who want more typically know how to get it.
You dont just have to consider the official stuff, ya know...
Apple always gives what they feel consumers want. People who want more typically know how to get it.
Seriously, are you the owner of the site, so if we don't agree, or if we are just exchanging ideas about a possibility we all should leave?
Perhaps we should send our comments to Wikileaks, as we are conspiring against Apple right?
That's a pretty irrelevant statement.
Honeycomb looks nice. Google always announces stuff in advance though. We always see what Apple has as we get closer to a release.
Yea that's what I mean. Google always announces stuff waaay in advance and we all think its awesome. Then apple releases a product that does some things that consumers like. Google makes some feature rich stuff, but some of it shows their disconnect with average consumers. (The rest shows their creation of software by tinkerers for tinkerers)
Your statement is pretty irrelevant. If you are going to attack someone's opinion at least give some logic and reasoning to it.
Not exactly. You opened and thread and made a claim with no evidence stating that a new product will be better than a current product. I stated that google often announces things in advance, and we shouldn't be so hasty to declare their dominance when Apple hasn't returned fire with an advancement in their own product.
Also, why are we talking about android dominance and an android OS that wont run on all android devices? You should be comparing tablet numbers if you're thread is about Googles tablet OS. This would be difficult though since Google's tablet OS isnt out and apple's is.
Anyway, wikileaks isn't for people who conspire for or against something. It's for people to leak classified/secret documents to. Something none of us have. That's why it was irrelevant.
Troll on OP, Troll on.
Not quite. I can do stuff on my unhacked Android device which isn't possible on a non-jailbroken iPhone. For example, apps like SMS2PC which wirelessly tethers the phone's SMS function to my iMac so I can send and receive text messages via the phone but from my desktop as though I'm using iChat.
And apps like file managers, etc. Neither of which require rooting.
I think it's safe to say that most of us came to these forums in the first place because we like Apple's products (to varying degrees) and although some of us go on about how "superior" we consider Android or other alternatives to be, it's partly because we wish Apple would get off their high horse and do some of these cool features themselves, because we know they could do them fantastically. I would love for my iPad to be able to do half of what my Android phone can do, and if Apple done some of these things themselves it would be done with the intuitiveness and flair that we all love and expect from Apple.
Perhaps you should learn to read, the thread that I opened says, "I guess" the iPad will have its arse kicked. In no post I have affirmatively said that it will happen, I was saying that by the specs and videos seen at CES, I would imagine that those would put the iPad on a second plan. This was intended to hear someone's opinion and everyone is entitled to, what is not acceptable is that someone (not you) says that if people don't agree that Apple is the best go someplace else, now YOUR behavior it is even worst, because you personally attacked me twice, one by saying that my comment was irrelevant without an explanation, that perhaps would make your statement a little bit less personal and more of an exchange of ideas. Secondly, the comment that I made to the other poster (the one that told everyone that does not agree that Apple is the best company in the World) to go away was filled with sarcasm when I suggested Wikileaks. And third when you called me a troll, just rephrasing my initial comment, you should try some anger management classes as it seems that you can only interpret people on the wrong side of it.
With all that said, I can affirmatively say that your opinion to me is irrelevant by the explanation given above, go get lost and don't bother to respond, I will block you now.
what I am saying is SO what if apple doesnt win the tablet race ???
does the mac have more sales then the PC globaly ??? No .. Do we see people talking about the doom of apple because of that ???
Why all the hate ?? i am not saying that iOS is perfect ... Not by a long shot.
But it seems that everytime a new tablet comes ... Its the ipad killer ... Just look at the Galaxy tab ...
wow did the people who bought that get the shaft big time ...
no honeycomb for them ... Plus after 4 months they are releasing a new version of the tab with better cameras ...
So you going the Android way ? If so good luck to you
android honeycomb looks like a really good OS, but I can tell you this ... After 5months or so down the road with Android ... You will probably be going to the Android forums to bitch about something else ... Because there is no such thing as a perfect platform ... The grass is always greener over the fence ... When you get there .... Its an other story
But whatever you chose, its because its best for you as a costumer
