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I know some people use their devices differently but honestly I can't justify even paying more than $300 on a phone. The way I see it is that a smartphone's purpose is to be a phone (text and talk), have access to the Internet, and offer other basic features like music, photo-taking, etc. The way I see the market is that most expensive phones only exist because they are either gimmicky (high-res screen, thin, edge-to-edge display, that kind of pointless stuff), or because they are more powerful (better cameras, faster device overall), which honestly I find unnecessary. Often you're paying for features that probably aren't a necessity and you're better off with a cheap device (Android) or older device (iPhone). Personally I'm using a Moto E 2nd gen, and considering upgrading to the 4th gen because it's ridiculously cheap. But back to the point - So honestly, not only do I find the standard iPhone costs to be expensive already (even the SE is too expensive, although reasonably so), but a smartphone, even a high-end one, above $1000 is absolutely unacceptable. Especially here in Canada, where the 256 GB costs $1529!!! (and that's not tax-included).
 
I’ve said this before, but I think it sums up my feelings well:

I view the iPhone X as the iOS counterpart of the 12" MacBook.

The MacBook was super expensive for what it was, but was the new kid on the block that brought all kinds of innovations (new keyboard, ultra thin design, Force Touch) that were eventually brought to the remaining line.

The iPhone X is the new cutting edge product that is substantially more expensive just for the sake of being new. In time it will be refined and it's innovations will flow to the rest of the line. I couldn't justify spending the money not the first generation MacBook and I can't on this first generation product either.
 
Luckily the Pixel 2 XL will be announced on October 4th, before the X can be purchased. OLED screen and no bezels. Bloatware free android. Probably will be close to the price of the X. At least there are 2 choices for bloatware free devices.
 
I’ve said this before, but I think it sums up my feelings well:

I view the iPhone X as the iOS counterpart of the 12" MacBook.

The MacBook was super expensive for what it was, but was the new kid on the block that brought all kinds of innovations (new keyboard, ultra thin design, Force Touch) that were eventually brought to the remaining line.

The iPhone X is the new cutting edge product that is substantially more expensive just for the sake of being new. In time it will be refined and it's innovations will flow to the rest of the line. I couldn't justify spending the money not the first generation MacBook and I can't on this first generation product either.

You are correct, the problem though, the innovations etc that the MacBook brought were in many ways compromises , and I've never seen a MacBook Pro launch that had such negative feedback while being the most ridiculously priced MacBook Pro ever.

Seems all cook cares about is jacking up prices , i have a major issue that jobs would have sent so many of the recent products back to design until the compromises were ironed out. Cook just asks how much they can increase the profit.... :(
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That's fair, but for some a marginally improved camera is all someone needs to upgrade (see 6->7) and if you're in my age group a portrait mode selfie will sell the phone itself. And for someone in a rainy environment, aka the PNW where touch ID doesn't work from about Nov-Mar due to wetness I look forward to my new screen scanning overlord.

To be fair, most people just upgrade to say they have the latest and greatest. There have been far smaller updates in the past compared to the X

Geez that's one wet area for about 6 months, for Touch ID not to work, thought water resistance on the phone would have been a bigger issue since 2007 to 2016 :p

Let's see what compromises face id brings....there will be some , Touch ID was marketed as awesome with no cons
 
I think it's funny that some people on here can't differentiate between being able to afford it and being able to justify it.

It's also funny that these same people are people leasing the phone on the iPhone Upgrade Program or on a finance deal or taking out a huge monthly payment just to have it in their hands.

Personally, I can afford the iPhone X, I could afford to buy one for me, one for the wife and one for the dog. It's no big deal and I can afford to pay that on my debit card account and not put it on any credit or loans.

The thing is, why should I?

I have plenty of extravagant toys like my car and my watches but I could justify each and every purchase and I didn't feel bad walking into a store to go and buy them. I cannot do the same with the iPhone X, it feels very much over-priced.

People that say 'nobody is forcing you' are not realising that in 2 years time when all phones are $999+ and we need upgrades then we are being forced to either buy an Apple product or leave Apple. Apple is very clever and build an eco-system of products that lock you in and make it hard to leave.

The only reason I am ordering an iPhone 8 Plus is because I'm one of these people heavily tied into the Apple eco-system. My business is ran from Apple machines and all of my hardware & software is all bought for Apple computers. It would cost me a lot of money to change from Apple to something else but because my 6 Plus is getting old and slow; the screen is smashed, the battery needs replacing, the charging port needs fixing and the phone has a tendency to crash when using some specific apps. If my phone was in better condition I wouldn't be upgrading.

I do think that something will need to give though, Apple needs to start thinking about the consumers more. There's lots of people out there like me who run creative businesses and use Apple hardware and software who are getting sick of the high prices and disjointed user experience. I give a lot more thought to Windows & Android now than I did when I was a happier Apple customer.

Anyway, this post is about iPhones. But the X isn't worth it, especially when you consider what your actually getting that's different from the X - FaceID, Dual-Ois and a fancy housing. Anything else?

I remember paying £499 for the iPhone 4 and it was leaps and bounds ahead of anything out at the time. Those were the days.
 
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I'll never understand people who say this.

A phone is that white plastic thing your parents have on their kitchen wall.

Smartphones are absolutely not just phones. They are incredibly powerful, totally mobile, always connected computers that allow you to do so much every single day. And all of that fits in your pocket.

To me, they're a pinnacle of modern day technology and an absolute bargain.

To say it's just a phone is like saying my MacBook Pro is just a typewriter.

Agreed, but 6s or SE is as much of technological marvel. So are those android phones. So that comment has to be seen in context. The OP, I am sure, is well aware of the awesomeness of the modern day "phone".
 
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Get the phone on a network contract why would you buy it ouright?

I'm upgrading through EE, I'm currently on a £55 a month contract and seeing the previews for iPhone X the contracts are at £72.99 a month, which im pretty sure I will be able to talk down via loyalty speech :p
 
Get the phone on a network contract why would you buy it ouright?

I'm upgrading through EE, I'm currently on a £55 a month contract and seeing the previews for iPhone X the contracts are at £72.99 a month, which im pretty sure I will be able to talk down via loyalty speech :p

You can negotiate paying less, but you'll end up paying for longer time, so same thing..
 
Probably will be close to the price of the X. At least there are 2 choices for bloatware free devices.
There's the rub, I've complained about the X being so expensive, so I'll be just as hesitant to buy the Pixel - more so because it means my leaving the iOS ecosystem. I've used Android before, and I like the idea of getting a vanilla version but Google does price these phones rather high.
 
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Get the phone on a network contract why would you buy it ouright?

I'm upgrading through EE, I'm currently on a £55 a month contract and seeing the previews for iPhone X the contracts are at £72.99 a month, which im pretty sure I will be able to talk down via loyalty speech :p
Think it's very unlikely you will get it for £72 a month if you are on the annual upgrade program
 
You can negotiate paying less, but you'll end up paying for longer time, so same thing..

Contracts with EE are 24 month standard and that hasnt changed in a long while. so its not gonna be any longer than normal.
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Think it's very unlikely you will get it for £72 a month if you are on the annual upgrade program

With EE yearly upgrades come with any contract over £65.99 a month. so yes it will have yearly upgrades. I've spoken to EE about this.
 
There's the rub, I've complained about the X being so expensive, so I'll be just as hesitant to buy the Pixel - more so because it means my leaving the iOS ecosystem. I've used Android before, and I like the idea of getting a vanilla version but Google does price these phones rather high.

I've considered buying a mid-range Android, but I wonder if they are any better than a new or Apple-refurbished 6s or 6s Plus. I do like the iOS/MacOS ecosystem for my phone, tablet, and laptop.
 
I've considered buying a mid-range Android, but I wonder if they are any better than a new or Apple-refurbished 6s or 6s Plus. I do like the iOS/MacOS ecosystem for my phone, tablet, and laptop.
As an individual phone there is nothing wrong with them, nothing at all...However don't expect it to integrate as well as an iPhone does with a desktop/laptop/tablet/watch. It just doesn't exist. Sure there are some aftermarket applications one could install but not one of them works well. I really tried for a year, even got rid of my MacBook and got a surface Pro and tried a windows phone and an android phone...But it was just lacking in all areas of integration....Individual great devices in my opinion, but unless you've experienced how everything can work together, it is just not the same...
 
I hope Apple will update the SE at some point, though I want the 5c form factor back personally.... just give it an all screen front and perfecto.
 
To me it's only a phone, I have a Laptop, TV, Desktop PC and an iPad Pro. So I have better devices for doing anything serious on. My phone is used to make calls, text, take photos and listen to music. I'll browse the net for five mins a day and maybe watch a short YouTube video, but I'm not going to do anything that requires a lot of effort as I have something better to use.

So I think the iPhone X is totally overengineered and overpriced for my usage. However at the same time I don't want an iPhone 8 because it looks exactly like my current iPhone... what's the point in upgrading?

Apple have priced me out of the market, not because I cannot afford it, but because the price just exceeds my usage on a phone.

This makes me really sad there is no mid ranged iPhone. It makes me sad there is no iPhone 5c follow up, I loved that little phone, but I had to upgrade for Touch ID.



The whole event left me numb and now Android will have to be the place I go to. I don't want to because I'm invested in the ecosystem, sadly though Apple refuse to create tiers. I don't find the iPhone 8 price appealing either tbh...
iPhone SE??
 
I can spend that much, because it’s the only choice if I want a small iOS device with the dual cameras.... I’m looking forward to the camera reviews of the X compared to the Note 8. I’m not getting rid of my Apple Watch so need an iPhone for that, and because I want an OLED screen and dual cameras and I need an iOS phone, then to me it’s kinda worth it.
Of course being able to get between 5 to 8% off it depending on where I buy it from plus the money from selling my 6S towards it, then it won’t cost me list price anyway, but it will still be an expensive phone.
 
There's the rub, I've complained about the X being so expensive, so I'll be just as hesitant to buy the Pixel - more so because it means my leaving the iOS ecosystem. I've used Android before, and I like the idea of getting a vanilla version but Google does price these phones rather high.
AND they don't offer an upgrade program like Apple, nor do they release full OS updates for their devices as long as Apple. I'd be very very tempted to go back to Android if that changed. These are two big important differences for me, though, and will likely never happen.
 
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If you can't justify as I can't... don't buy it. 7 Plus runs great and while I love tech, I don't believe in throwing money away.
 
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I've been thinking about pricing a lot lately because it is really the only thing holding me back from the X. I started thinking about my last 3 iPhone purchases and realized that for the last 3 years I have had no problem buying the $950 top storage plus model but now all of the sudden I'm outraged by a $999 phone?

At this point my likelihood of ordering an X just keeps going up.

Its the way I am thinking I alway get the iPhone with the largest capacity and compared to a iPhone 7+ 256 its not much more per month on carriers device payments.
 
I got a 128GB SE for £400. I'm actually looking forward to not lugging around a huge phone now. It is an upgrade from my iPhone 6 anyway.

Like you, I (briefly) considered Android, but I use iCal, photos, iTunes, etc all so much. Just not feasible to use an Android phone with an iPad and macOS for my needs.

You can spend a bit more and get an arguably better Android, but if depends on how important iOS is for you.
It is completely possible. iCal works on google calendar, google photos is even more practical than the apple solution, iTunes, with android you have drag and drop, and spotty, so... Just try.
 
I’ve said this before, but I think it sums up my feelings well:

I view the iPhone X as the iOS counterpart of the 12" MacBook.

The MacBook was super expensive for what it was, but was the new kid on the block that brought all kinds of innovations (new keyboard, ultra thin design, Force Touch) that were eventually brought to the remaining line.

The iPhone X is the new cutting edge product that is substantially more expensive just for the sake of being new. In time it will be refined and it's innovations will flow to the rest of the line. I couldn't justify spending the money not the first generation MacBook and I can't on this first generation product either.

This is a good comparison because both devices were also pretty flawed. The Macbook was so thin it wasn't entirely stable when typing on it and due to next to no key travel was fatiguing to type on IMO. The USB-C only at the time was also an annoyance when dongles were barely available.

The iPhone X faces similar issues with the Face ID as its only quick way to unlock, apps having to be fixed to work properly with the notch. Compared to the noticeably cheaper Android flagship phones with similar screens it is a poor value. I fully expect there to be an improved X+/X2 or something model next year that has a fingerprint reader and other improvements.
 
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