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I kinda wish I stuck with AT&T now.

tymaster50

tymaster50

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HSPA+, faster 3G, faster LTE. Plus voice and data. But a pro of verizon is signal almost everywhere, facetime over celluar, and the comfort of knowing the company actually cares about what consumers want most of the time. Making everything a shared data plan was kind of stupid but it was also stupid of at&t to make it so facetime over celluar you had to be moved to the same plan.
 
If everyone used face time over cellular it would degrade ANY carrier's network. Bandwidth is not unlimited for any carrier.

A wise choice in my opinion.

ATT is no more evil than Verizon. They are all trying to make a buck off people who feel that they are entitled!:p
 
HowardSmith said:
If everyone used face time over cellular it would degrade ANY carrier's network. Bandwidth is not unlimited for any carrier.

A wise choice in my opinion.

ATT is no more evil than Verizon. They are all trying to make a buck off people who feel that they are entitled!:p
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At least Verizon gives signal mostly everywhere lol and they aren't restricting data usage. I also read somewhere AT&T paid the least taxes and gave the most money to politicians or something.
 
HowardSmith said:
If everyone used face time over cellular it would degrade ANY carrier's network. Bandwidth is not unlimited for any carrier.

A wise choice in my opinion.

ATT is no more evil than Verizon. They are all trying to make a buck off people who feel that they are entitled!:p
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Not a wise choice. It's a scary choice. First off, there aren't going to be 3 million face time calls over celluar at once to bring the network to its knees. People would blow through their data cap too easily. Netflix and Hulu over LTE use way more bandwidth and they're fine.

It's a very dangerous precedent that violates net neutrality rules and forces you to pay for your data twice. I already paid for 5 GB of data (mainly for tethering, which is similar, but a little different since it enables data use by another device that isn't part of your contract). Why should I have to pay more by switching to a shared data plan in order to use that data how I want?

If AT&T wins the FCC complaint against it on this matter it is bad news. Carriers will next start charging for things like YouTube or access to Netflix or Hulu because they're 'burdens on the network'. Or worse...preferential treatment to their apps vs. established open net standards.

It's a terrible slope and needs to be lifted. Hopefully the FCC will rule AT&T's actions here illegal and force them to open facetime over cellular for all.
 
Jman13 said:
Not a wise choice. It's a scary choice. First off, there aren't going to be 3 million face time calls over celluar at once to bring the network to its knees. People would blow through their data cap too easily. Netflix and Hulu over LTE use way more bandwidth and they're fine.

It's a very dangerous precedent that violates net neutrality rules and forces you to pay for your data twice. I already paid for 5 GB of data (mainly for tethering, which is similar, but a little different since it enables data use by another device that isn't part of your contract). Why should I have to pay more by switching to a shared data plan in order to use that data how I want?

If AT&T wins the FCC complaint against it on this matter it is bad news. Carriers will next start charging for things like YouTube or access to Netflix or Hulu because they're 'burdens on the network'. Or worse...preferential treatment to their apps vs. established open net standards.

It's a terrible slope and needs to be lifted. Hopefully the FCC will rule AT&T's actions here illegal and force them to open facetime over cellular for all.
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As someone on unlimited I can barely understand AT&Ts pov on FaceTime. However if you are on ANY tiered plan then you should be able to use your data as you please
 
Jman13 said:
Not a wise choice. It's a scary choice. First off, there aren't going to be 3 million face time calls over celluar at once to bring the network to its knees. People would blow through their data cap too easily. Netflix and Hulu over LTE use way more bandwidth and they're fine.

It's a very dangerous precedent that violates net neutrality rules and forces you to pay for your data twice. I already paid for 5 GB of data (mainly for tethering, which is similar, but a little different since it enables data use by another device that isn't part of your contract). Why should I have to pay more by switching to a shared data plan in order to use that data how I want?

If AT&T wins the FCC complaint against it on this matter it is bad news. Carriers will next start charging for things like YouTube or access to Netflix or Hulu because they're 'burdens on the network'. Or worse...preferential treatment to their apps vs. established open net standards.

It's a terrible slope and needs to be lifted. Hopefully the FCC will rule AT&T's actions here illegal and force them to open facetime over cellular for all.
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I have seen your argument many times. All I can say is you will have to get over it! It will not change:p
 
Troneas said:
AT&T is evil.


you are better off where you are now.
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And Verizon is angel? :)

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tymaster50 said:
At least Verizon gives signal mostly everywhere lol and they aren't restricting data usage. I also read somewhere AT&T paid the least taxes and gave the most money to politicians or something.
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Are you sure about signal everywhere? I just changed form Verizon and could say same dead spots for both... :) Verizon is charging more for data plans, doesn't have rollover min, using dead technology called CDMA & can't surf web while talk.
 
Verizon is not your friend.

They ONLY give you facetime/tethering because of a condition of their 700MHz spectrum auction win.
 
tymaster50 said:
At least Verizon gives signal mostly everywhere lol and they aren't restricting data usage. I also read somewhere AT&T paid the least taxes and gave the most money to politicians or something.
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Ohh yea well I read somewhere that Verizon helps with the fight against Americans in the Middle East
 
I'm not regretting it. As much as I'm on wifi, I haven't really had time to miss the simultaneous voice and data. I HAVE noticed that I can make phone calls in my office.

I finally got to the point where I decided Apple and Verizon are more likely to fix the simultaneous voice/data issue before AT&T will fix signal quality.
 
tymaster50 said:
HSPA+, faster 3G, faster LTE. Plus voice and data. But a pro of verizon is signal almost everywhere, facetime over celluar, and the comfort of knowing the company actually cares about what consumers want most of the time. Making everything a shared data plan was kind of stupid but it was also stupid of at&t to make it so facetime over celluar you had to be moved to the same plan.
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You mean overcharging for devices and services while not allowing you one of the most basic features of having a data enabled phone? Yes, sounds excellent to me...
 
Troneas said:
AT&T is evil.


you are better off where you are now.
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HowardSmith said:
If everyone used face time over cellular it would degrade ANY carrier's network. Bandwidth is not unlimited for any carrier.

A wise choice in my opinion.

ATT is no more evil than Verizon. They are all trying to make a buck off people who feel that they are entitled!:p
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Breitling65 said:
And Verizon is angel? :)

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Are you sure about signal everywhere? I just changed form Verizon and could say same dead spots for both... :) Verizon is charging more for data plans, doesn't have rollover min, using dead technology called CDMA & can't surf web while talk.
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Neither AT&T nor Verizon are evil; the aren't people.

They are companies, and companies exist to make money.

If one disagrees with said company, they can: deal with it; complain to the company/government; take their business elsewhere.

These are basic axioms.
 
LapsangSouchong said:
I'm not regretting it. As much as I'm on wifi, I haven't really had time to miss the simultaneous voice and data. I HAVE noticed that I can make phone calls in my office.

I finally got to the point where I decided Apple and Verizon are more likely to fix the simultaneous voice/data issue before AT&T will fix signal quality.
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Agree completely. I made the switch and haven't dropped a call since.
 
I love all the hate / loyalty to one carrier or the other. There is no one perfect carrier. If there were, they would have 100% of the subscribers. I have used almost all the major carriers and for me (and me alone) AT&T is best. I live in NYC and although VZ has better in-building penetration, when I am in a building, I use my mobile phone the least so AT&T suits my needs in other situations.

Others may have different needs
 
I had a Verizon iPhone 5 64GB from launch day and took it back on the 14th day as the reception where we live was so bad.
The Verizon had 0-1 bars of 3G and you could not even get a call out as to where the AT&T had 4-5 bars of 4G.

Now, I'm just trying to get a phone from AT&T with no luck :rolleyes:
 
Geckotek said:
Verizon is only slightly less evil.
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FaceTime restrictions are nonsense, but charging people for going paperless and then having it shut down after people outraged, shows big red is the most evil. And the fact that their data share plans for a family of 4 costs an insane amount of money. I'll stick with my throttled grandfathered unlimited on AT&T, while getting a subsidized phone (something else Verizon restricts).

No simultaneous voice+data on 3G kills it for me too. It's come in handy a lot actually.

It's all just a cat and mouse game though. They all follow suit.
 
Tick tock ... Testing iP5 Verizon using AT&T nano SIM card ...
 
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Interstella5555 said:
You mean overcharging for devices and services while not allowing you one of the most basic features of having a data enabled phone? Yes, sounds excellent to me...
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Technically the fault for this is Apple. Other phones support but it requires an extra antenna in the phone. Apple chose to not do this to reduce the number of hardware versions.

To me the most important attribute of a phone is to, you know, make phone calls. In five years with AT&T I've numerous cases where I have a plenty strong signal but calls don't come through or even voicemail notifications. In the same spots with Verizon, phone calls always work. Features are fine but they have to actually work to be useful.
 
I've been to 3 major carriers - first Sprint then T-Mobile and finally with AT&T because of the iPhone. I loathe and dreading Verizon because just like Sprint, it is using the sucky CDMA technology. With iP5 Verizon being more global and having most LTE coverage in the USA including my area, I caved in and bought iP5 Verizon. However, am really having doubts or in dilemma again if I made the right decision since I find Verizon's metered shared plans for single device user too expensive and limited for me (especially on how I intend to utilize the power of iP5 everyday anywhere).

I have 2 weeks to make a decision if I should return the iP5 Verizon I paid full retail at Apple then get the AT&T iP5 or stick with iP5 Verizon using AT&T nano SIM card thru mid next year. My area is not covered by AT&T LTE. T-Mobile 4G and LTE might work in an iP5 Verizon. I travel a lot internationally.

I find out you get what you pay for. T-Mobile has the cheapest plans and best in customer service but it's network sucks compared to AT&T. I don't really the point in being with Sprint. It's on CDMA, their networks pretty much suck ...
 
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iAi said:
I've been to 3 major carriers - first Sprint then T-Mobile and finally with AT&T because of the iPhone. I loathe and dreading Verizon because just like Sprint, it is using the sucky CDMA technology.
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CDMA is not sucky....they just stopped updating it in favor of migrating to LTE.
 
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