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I'm thinking about making an Instructable about this (with a youtube video), but it sure would be helpful if someone could offer a definitive list of the parts required—and importantly, a list of parts that have actually been proven to work together. Anybody up to that task?

For now, we probably only need to list parts (with sourcing links) that can be shipped to the US, although perhaps we could later make a table with equivalent parts that can be shipped to other countries.

Anyway—this is a request for a definitive list of "materials-required" for this project. Any help?
 
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Mayhem28 if you are still trying to get someone to make a battery I would be happy to. I have already sent a PM with all the details to everyone else that requested one but you have PM's blocked :(. If you are interested you can send me a PM and allow PM's to come in on your end and I will send you the details.

If anyone else is interested feel free to send me a PM and I will send you the details. All I would do is make the magsafe cord considering that is what requires soldering. It's about $26 for me to make and mail and I am only asking for a small tip for time and soldering equipment/connectors. I can help you pick out a battery and charger if needed.

Sincerely,
Brandon

Hey man,

Its Mayhem28, sorry for the insanely late reply as I totally forgot I posted this and lost interest for a bit as I was busy with other things. My mom recently bought me a brand new 2012 retina and I'm travelling in a few months so I need one of these. I had to make this new account because I forgot my old credentials, sorry.

Could you re-PM please (I'll make sure PM's are accepted).

Thanks!
 
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I'm not sure if this was covered but can I use an apple 14.8v wall charger to charge the Zippy 14.8 LiPo battery? That way I will only have to carry one charger.
 
Wilpro, the actual "battery charger" circuitry of Apple's MagSafe equipped laptops is contained in the laptop itself, and the separate "charger" is really just a power supply that contains no charging or battery protection circuitry. You should use an actual battery charger—preferably a balanced charger—for your external battery.

With that said, having made the adapter cable described earlier in the thread, you can use the non-Apple charger as a power supply to charge your laptop's battery; really handy if you have a dead Apple "charger" with a good cord.
 
Wilpro, the actual "battery charger" circuitry of Apple's MagSafe equipped laptops is contained in the laptop itself, and the separate "charger" is really just a power supply that contains no charging or battery protection circuitry. You should use an actual battery charger—preferably a balanced charger—for your external battery.

With that said, having made the adapter cable described earlier in the thread, you can use the non-Apple charger as a power supply to charge your laptop's battery; really handy if you have a dead Apple "charger" with a good cord.
Thanks for that info, skinny*k. Is it possible to get smaller balanced chargers with plug attached? The Tenergy TLP-4000 is a bit big for travelling. And can I get one that takes the balancing plug? I can just bend the plug ends to convert a US one to Australia format. It works most of the time as long as it takes 220V as most does.

Thank you everyone for the good info on this post. There is nothing like this elsewhere and it will be good if someone makes a video. I like this solution and will make another for my MPB13 and for my daughter's MPB.
 
Wilpro. I think that the best bet would be to check out the online hobby shops, those that cater to electric model flying. I would recommend my 'newest' charger, but it is now about 2 years old—and probably outdated—and it runs on 110 VAC.

In the US, 110 VAC is standard, and while many devices will auto-select 110 or 220 VAC, I wouldn't expect a charger to do that unless it said so, as it does add a bit of cost to the design and finished product.
 
Hey guys,

How can I PM, Brandon? There appears to be no option for me, maybe cos my post count is too low? Thx
 
Please advice!!!

Hello Bros,

I have MiLi Power King (Li-Pol) 18000mAh

Output:

16-20V === 3.5(max)

9-12V === 2A(max)

5V === 1A or 2.1(max)

My question is: can I use the output 16-20V for my MacBook Air Mid 2011 - 14.5V === 3.1A (45W MagSafe adapter)

Thank you so much and waiting for your advice!!!
 
A 14.8 volt (nominal) 4 cell LiPo battery will read 16.5 volts when fully charged, and it looks to me like you have a 5 cell… its confusing though, with 3 listed voltage outputs on your battery; what is your battery for? Is it a special battery for something?

I ask because the electronics controlling the outputs do—or may—make a difference when comparing to the kinds of batteries we’re talking about on this thread. Do you know the cell arrangement of your battery?

At 16-20V, your battery might work fine with your MBA, but it might be too much, and overheat the MagSafe connector, or the MagSafe board on your MBA. The 16 to 20 volts (18.5 volts nominal) could be reduced to 14.8 volts nominal with a voltage regulator or a DC to DC converter—and probably without any problem—

Without knowing more about your battery, I can’t really give you an answer that I like...
 
I think he has one of those aftermarket external batteries with the voltage adjuster switch on the side.. bare in mind a company called voltaic has been selling external batteries for the mac for some time now and they have an active Facebook presence (got a question answered there by an admin in 20 mins)

Any idea if I should go 14.5 volt (4S) for a 2012 Retina (I believe 16 volts) or 5S 18.5 volt which could be risky? I wanna get a 5S 8000mah which should have a whole lot of power? :D

I'm doing a lot of reading on lipoly safety etc. Lions seem a lot more safer and rugged compared to these, so much care is needed
 
A 14.8 volt (nominal) 4 cell LiPo battery will read 16.5 volts when fully charged, and it looks to me like you have a 5 cell… its confusing though, with 3 listed voltage outputs on your battery; what is your battery for? Is it a special battery for something?

I ask because the electronics controlling the outputs do—or may—make a difference when comparing to the kinds of batteries we’re talking about on this thread. Do you know the cell arrangement of your battery?

At 16-20V, your battery might work fine with your MBA, but it might be too much, and overheat the MagSafe connector, or the MagSafe board on your MBA. The 16 to 20 volts (18.5 volts nominal) could be reduced to 14.8 volts nominal with a voltage regulator or a DC to DC converter—and probably without any problem—

Without knowing more about your battery, I can’t really give you an answer that I like...

Hello Bro Skinny!

I don't know how many cell of this battery but I can show you photos below.

Thank you so much Bro!
 

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Hello Bros,

I have MiLi Power King (Li-Pol) 18000mAh

Output:

16-20V === 3.5(max)

9-12V === 2A(max)

5V === 1A or 2.1(max)

My question is: can I use the output 16-20V for my MacBook Air Mid 2011 - 14.5V === 3.1A (45W MagSafe adapter)

Thank you so much and waiting for your advice!!!

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Hoang, without knowing more about the internals, I can only make some guesses, but if you have access to a multimeter we can figure this out.

I’m guessing that those adapter tips work like the adapter tips that come with universal laptop AC adaptors, like from Targus, Kensington, and others, where you select the voltage range on the battery, and the tip reduces the voltage, by means of a built-in resistor, to what’s required for the particular laptop. To check this: with the battery charged, and the battery voltage set to 16 to 20 volts, read the voltage at the output cable with the meter, and note that voltage. Then, install a tip, read that voltage and note it. Do that with several tips; if the voltages vary, then my guess is correct.

If one of the tips with a standard barrel connector outputs 15.5 to 16 volts, mark it.

Do that much, and post your results here, then we’ll proceed, okay?

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Any idea if I should go 14.5 volt (4S) for a 2012 Retina (I believe 16 volts) or 5S 18.5 volt which could be risky? I wanna get a 5S 8000mah which should have a whole lot of power? :D

I'm doing a lot of reading on lipoly safety etc. Lions seem a lot more safer and rugged compared to these, so much care is needed

First, something that I think should have been said much earlier—you can skip the next three paragraphs, if you like.

A genuine Apple power adapter, or ‘charger,’ varies its output voltage depending on its load, because Apple uses switching voltage regulators (and a switching power supply, but don’t confuse the regulator with the power supply; a “switching power supply” might still output its voltage through a linear voltage regulator.) This makes it safe to use any GENUINE Apple MagSafe adapter with any model of MacBook; you won’t be happy with a 45 watt MBA charger on a larger MacBook, but it won’t do any harm.

As for the counterfeit, or clone, non-Apple power adapters; there are none that I’ve heard of that use either switching power supplys or switching voltage regulators, and that’s why the charge indicator LEDs don’t work properly, even if the ‘charger’ works otherwise, but, more importantly, I believe that this is the main cause of the problems, including damaged MacBooks, that is associated with the clones, although some of those clones—the worst ones—are pure junk to begin with.

The different Apple adapters (45 watt, 60 watt, and 85 watt) output different voltages, and you want an external battery—which outputs a raw voltage instead of a voltage regulated through a switching regulator—to match the input needs of your MacBook. This thread has been about making an external battery for the MBA, which should use a 4 cell LiPo to function properly.

I believe that your Retina MBP uses an 85 watt ‘charger’—am I correct?
At maximum load, like when charging a MacBook with a discharged battery, the 85 watt ‘charger’ supplies up to 18.5*volts, and at minimum load it supplies something around 16 to 16.5*volts. Those requirements are perfectly suited to a 5 cell (5s) LiPo battery.

The Micro-Amp-Hours (mah) only affects the battery’s runtime; an 8000mah battery will run your MacBook about 10 times longer than an 800mah battery would, and an 800000mah battery won’t hurt your ‘Book, it would just be hard to lug around.


LiPos are quite safe, I think, and most of the horror stories about them arose from problems that have been addressed by the industry. There is always a potential for danger—just as with the fuel for your car, or the gas stove in your kitchen, or even driving to the store—but if your equipment is in good condition, and you use reasonable caution, you shouldn’t have any problems. Do use a balanced charger; your battery will be much safer, and it will last 2 to 3 times longer, too.

For the difference in weight, and weight alone, I want LiPos for everything portable. If weight doesn’t matter, but just power and amp-hours, an SLA can’t be beat.
 
Thanks Skinny*k,

Mine is the 13" MBP Retina with 16.5V, 3.65A, 60W power specs.
A previous poster had a good point that a 4S for instance has 14.8V (nominal - 3.7 * 4 ) but 16 plus volts at full charge.
That in mind I'm guessing my best bet would be the 4S provided I still had some charge on the internal laptop battery and even the roughly 14 Volts would be able to keep topping the battery up which in use
This guy has the right idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfLHiWofWOw at 0.30 he has a modified boost converter (found for about $5 on ebay) that he uses to set the voltage.. still not really convenient but safer nonetheless.

True about weight tho, lipo's are much more convenient for carry/travel and better form factor.
 
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Thanks Skinny*k,

Mine is the 13" MBP Retina with 16.5V, 3.65A, 60W power specs.
A previous poster had a good point that a 4S for instance has 14.8V (nominal - 3.7 * 4 ) but 16 plus volts at full charge.
That in mind I'm guessing my best bet would be the 4S provided I still had some charge on the internal laptop battery and even the roughly 14 Volts would be able to keep topping the battery up which in use
This guy has the right idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfLHiWofWOw at 0.30 he has a modified boost converter (found for about $5 on ebay) that he uses to set the voltage.. still not really convenient but safer nonetheless.

True about weight tho, lipo's are much more convenient for carry/travel and better form factor.

I've used external lipos for my MBP for about a year now. Originally I was using 5s batteries for all my MBP as seen below, even for the MBA :eek: The MBP have a very good switching voltage regulator that I know is rated >25 Volts (Voltage Regulator on MBA's), but now for safety I relegated my 5S batteries for my rMBP 15. I use 4S for my MBA/MBP/rMBP 13 now as it's about the right voltage for them. The 5S batteries do last much longer for the same mAH rating as they obviously are worth more watt-hours.

One more thing, going to fly out a few weeks from now. Has anyone had any problem getting these lipos past incompetent TSA hacks at the airport?
 
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... going to fly out a few weeks from now. Has anyone had any problem getting these lips past incompetent TSA hacks at the airport?

Its just a WAG, but I suspect that if it looks homemade then you may have trouble; for a long trip, its greatest benefit might be for onboard use, but that might also cause more problems. I dunno tho, really :eek:
 
Its just a WAG, but I suspect that if it looks homemade then you may have trouble; for a long trip, its greatest benefit might be for onboard use, but that might also cause more problems. I dunno tho, really :eek:

stupid ipad autocorrect lol.
 
I've used external lipos for my MBP for about a year now. Originally I was using 5s batteries for all my MBP as seen below, even for the MBA :eek: The MBP have a very good switching voltage regulator that I know is rated >25 Volts (Voltage Regulator on MBA's), but now for safety I relegated my 5S batteries for my rMBP 15. I use 4S for my MBA/MBP/rMBP 13 now as it's about the right voltage for them. The 5S batteries do last much longer for the same mAH rating as they obviously are worth more watt-hours.

One more thing, going to fly out a few weeks from now. Has anyone had any problem getting these lipos past incompetent TSA hacks at the airport?

Thanks mate, very helpful.

Can't help about TSA, but I also hope to travel with these soon from Australia though. Going through domestic security hasn't been a problem even with quite a few lithium ion cells, even their 'explosive detectors' don't pick anything up. I will be going international hopefully later in the year so will report back my findings. I think we're allowed. Good luck!

EDIT: Hmm.. ok apparently here in Oz we are allowed 2 and not exceeding 100wh each (160wh with operator 'approval') and the documentation from the civil aviation authority even explains how to calculate watt-hours etc and how to carry it safely onboard etc. Carry on only, ofcourse.
 
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Bro Skinny

Hello Bro Skinny,

My confusing is that is it ok to use 16V out port for my MacBook Air 13in 14.5V.
Because it is higher Volt.

Thanks
 
Hoang, the voltages are nominal, and the equipment is designed to be more tolerant than precise; 1,5 volts is not too much—I think that 16 volts would be fine, but 20 volts might be too much. If I'm right about your adapters, there should be one that will output something in the range of 15,5 to 16 volts, but 14,5 doesn't seem to be an option, based on the specs you provided.

20 volts might not be too much, but I wouldn't try it with my MBA, and I certainly won't pay to repair yours. :eek:

I do care about yours, though; I want the two of you to enjoy a long happy life together. :D
 
Hi gang

I've been trawling through this thread and doing all the research I can and have come up with a combination of products I'm hoping will work for powering my early 2011 MacBook Pro 13". I do a lot of location work and am in need of more power to keep going all day while running some pretty taxing photography programs.

I've tried to find out all I can about the output of the mac charger and the demands of the lappy. I'm still new to this so thought it best to ask on here what someone more qualified than me thought?

I'd love to get some feedback about this combination from someone who knows more about this than I do, who might have any reasons for this not to work before I go and fork out the coin.

battery:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=16227

charger:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=22297

monitor:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=42562

Any feedback would be awesome!
 

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Hi rubbit,

That combination looks like it would work just fine, but you might save some money by getting a battery without the high discharge rate; your lappy will never be able to that much power so fast.

Also, without a monitor with auto-cutoff or an audible alarm, you'll have to remember to keep an eye on the monitor; if you allow the battery to over-discharge, you will ruin it. Its awfully easy to get engrossed in what you're doing on the computer, and forget... If you do go for an auto-cutoff monitor, just run from the external first, and then use the laptop's battery if the external shuts down.

Have fun...
 
@rubbit
If you have that budget, just get a HyperJuice http://www.hypershop.com/Product/Power/P18-SILVER.html. Honestly, it's safer and straight forward ! This is not a pub for them, I myself have a HobbyKing kit I've made... but with a much lower budget. With HyperJuice, for example, you don't have to standby during the charging to watch for fire or explosion risk ;)
Just my opinion if you have 100 bucks to spend on it !
 
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