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iBooks 1.2.1 Detects Some Jailbreaks, Disables iBookstore Purchases in Response

Happened for a while now

Actually, the previous version of iBooks did this too (I'm guessing that's 1.2.0?) I've had the issue for weeks; since I have an older iPod touch I was able to jailbreak much earlier with RedSn0w. Non-DRM epubs like Project Gutenberg titles work fine, as do pdfs. Only paid books from the iBookstore refuse to open. If you try long enough (just keep poking the book on the shelf) they eventually open anyway.
http://legomac.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/problems-with-ibooks/
 
aristotle said:
Legal usage? Since when is any company under any obligation for everything to work when you hack a device? If you choose to jailbreak, things might break.

These people have to realize that every choice can carry with it trade offs. If you want to jailbreak, go ahead but don't expect Apple to make it easy for you.

While not everyone who jailbreaks is a pirate, there is rampant piracy in the jailbreaking community so I don't expect Apple to be forced to do anything to help jailbreakers.
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The company has no such obligation. However, it is quite obvious that this is a totally different case. The company (Apple) actually makes an effort to make sure that you would not be able to read legally bought book on a legally purchased device. It's called sabotage. I think it's just a matter of time that Apple gets sued for that and they (Apple) will loose.

In general, is it just me or Apple indeed is getting creepier and creepier each day?
 
Synergie said:
Speak for yourself! My iPhone 4 is jailbroken, and I have not stolen ANYTHING, nor do I ever intend to! I pay for every app that I want, and I don't even download music that I didn't pay for!

My reasons for Jailbreaking are to put functionality that Apple SHOULD have included to begin with! Like a today screen - what use is the lock screen the way it is if you have to unlock just to see new notifications? Then instead of being able to see them all in one place you have to search for all the icon badges and click on all the apps separately to see the new information. That SUCKS! Lock Info is an AWESOME app, that puts functionality in that's so basic and given in every other smartphone.... and my using Lock Info is a serious FAR CRY from stealing!
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And those Wii, XBox, and PS3 hackers they are all running Linux on their machines. Oh, and those DVDs and MP3s, they're backups. And those running cracked software are just testing the software for 30 days.

It's like this. When you buy a product, you accept that it works the way the manufacturer said it would. If you want to Jailbreak your phone, it is surely your right to do so, but don't expect the manufacturer to support you or even condone it. And when it doesn't work, too bad.
 
LordJohnWhorfin said:
You're so full of yourself. FACT is that the first liar here is AT&T, which lied about the service it provided by calling it "unlimited" when they actually cap it to 5GB and then charge you overage fees.
Now, if you get a new contract, you can pay $25 for 2GB of data. You're telling me that AT&T should have the right to dictate HOW I use that data and charge me extra just because I want to route it to a different terminal?
I can understand the need to prevent tethering in the context of a really unlimited plan, to prevent abuse. But when you cap like they do, charging extra for tethering is just double-dipping. Where I'm from, we call that theft. Just because they're a big company with big lawyers and they can churn out thousands of pages of legalese in small print doesn't make it any different.
And people like you who defend them are either complete idiots, or sellouts. Which are you?
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I didn't say I agreed with AT&T's pricing, plan or anything else for that matter. I just said that tethering and not paying for it is stealing. Can't have it both ways.

As for AT&T I do think their plans and restrictions on tethering are horrible. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make theft any less of a crime.

(Oh, your last two sentences cut me to the core. lol)
 
Number 41 said:
Which LockInfo would fall into, as it's a legally obtained third party app.
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Super. As long as it doesn't make modifications to the OS other than for compatibility, you are good to go. But I doubt it considering Apple does not provide a way to modify the lock screen.


lilo777 said:
The company has no such obligation. However, it is quite obvious that this is a totally different case. The company (Apple) actually makes an effort to make sure that you would not be able to read legally bought book on a legally purchased device. It's called sabotage. I think it's just a matter of time that Apple gets sued for that and they (Apple) will loose.

In general, is it just me or Apple indeed is getting creepier and creepier each day?
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If you really believe that, sue them! Free money!
 
lilo777 said:
The company (Apple) actually makes an effort to make sure that you would not be able to read legally bought book on a legally purchased device.
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The effort is actually in the other, more helpful, direction. The error message clearly tells you how to read your legally purchased content on your legally purchased device.

Amazon certainly doesn't guarantee that I can read my purchased Kindle content if I wipe my Kindle's OS and install Debian Linux instead.
 
firewood said:
The effort is actually in the other, more helpful, direction. The error message clearly tells you how to read your legally purchased content on your legally purchased device.

Amazon certainly doesn't guarantee that I can read my purchased Kindle content if I wipe my Kindle's OS and install Debian Linux instead.
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Apple did this on purpose though. They might get sued since they already established that jailbreaking should not void any warranties (see an earlier thread on MR)!
 
oh well who really cares

Considering there are other ways to get a book, I really don't see the issue. You get to play with your phone anyway you want to and that is all I care about. Oh but you can't get a book from the ibook store, pft. :eek:

Nothing that will hurt anyone I know. ;)
 
BaldiMac said:
Super. As long as it doesn't make modifications to the OS other than for compatibility, you are good to go. But I doubt it considering Apple does not provide a way to modify the lock screen.




If you really believe that, sue them! Free money!
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Apple could give the finger to all its owners and still your not going to sue, not because they are not in the wrong but because the amount of money needed to take this to court would cripple most people even with money, and a lawyer would not touch this without real retainer fee upfront. Law is not about who is right or wrong but who has the most money. :D
 
palmerc said:
And those Wii, XBox, and PS3 hackers they are all running Linux on their machines. Oh, and those DVDs and MP3s, they're backups. And those running cracked software are just testing the software for 30 days.

It's like this. When you buy a product, you accept that it works the way the manufacturer said it would. If you want to Jailbreak your phone, it is surely your right to do so, but don't expect the manufacturer to support you or even condone it. And when it doesn't work, too bad.
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I wasn't disputing that some software might not work entirely as intended on a JB device. What I am disputing is the statement:

Jailbreaking is about theft of content and software. We can argue until we are blue in the face about your right to jailbreak your phone, but in the end people who jailbreak are all about taking what they didn't pay for.
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Jailbreaking is NOT all about taking what you didn't pay for. Jailbreaking is NOT about theft of content and software!

Jailbreaking IS merely a way to allow us to install LEGITIMATE third party applications that Apple decided we didn't need and so decided to not approve them for the app store. That's it... That's all.

Legitimate apps like Lock Info, and SBSettings, which have NOTHING to do with stealing anything. All they do is add the functionality that Apple saw fit not to include in a smartphone that is basic function in every other smartphone out there!

I wouldn't even be jailbroken if Apple included a today screen functionality to begin with! The closest thing you can get in the app store is an app that takes a snap shot of your calendar items, weather etc, and then requires you to manually set that as the wallpaper on your lock screen each time you want an update. It's not 'Live' updating at all... what kind of piece of crap is that?? All I want is to be able to see all my notifications and appts, etc on ONE screen that updates automatically..... THAT'S why I Jailbreak! Not to steal anything.... and to be called a Thief by someone who has obviously NEVER jailbroken or even knows anything at all about the subject, just ticks me off!

Edit: One last thing... Jailbreaking IMO is what actually MAKES the iPhone a smartphone... without it, it's just a media device with a phone attached!!

Okay... rant for the night done... I'm done with this thread and being called a thief!
 
Hopefully this would be an easy fix for the dev team with some kind of patch or in the 4.3 jb. But it doesn't bother me as it takes a couple tries to the book to open anyways. I would be pissed if it never opens.
 
firewood said:
The effort is actually in the other, more helpful, direction. The error message clearly tells you how to read your legally purchased content on your legally purchased device.

Amazon certainly doesn't guarantee that I can read my purchased Kindle content if I wipe my Kindle's OS and install Debian Linux instead.
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Again, "does not guarantee" and "deliberately sabotage" are two very different things. Did I demand that Apple guarantee iBook functionality even if the user installed Linux on iPad?


BaldiMac said:
If you really believe that, sue them! Free money!
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I would... if I was stupid enough to buy any iBooks
 
lilo777 said:
Again, "does not guarantee" and "deliberately sabotage" are two very different things.
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Yes. Users who hack the OS on their device have deliberately sabotaged their devices ability to operate normally.

Fortunately, they can often restore their device back to correct operation, as per the error message.
 
iBooks Fixed

The iBooks problem has been fixed in the latest version of Pwnage Tool released today. The drm issue is a moot point now.
 
firewood said:
Yes. Users who hack the OS on their device have deliberately sabotaged their devices ability to operate normally.

Fortunately, they can often restore their device back to correct operation, as per the error message.
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By definition, one can not sabotage himself. Apparently you are coming from the school of thoughts that believes that iDevices belong to Apple and not to owners.
 
lilo777 said:
By definition, one can not sabotage himself. Apparently you are coming from the school of thoughts that believes that iDevices belong to Apple and not to owners.
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That school of thought does not really exist. What you are referring to is the legal reality that iOS belongs to Apple.
 
kiljoy616 said:
Considering there are other ways to get a book, I really don't see the issue. You get to play with your phone anyway you want to and that is all I care about. Oh but you can't get a book from the ibook store, pft. :eek:

Nothing that will hurt anyone I know. ;)
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The issue is if you bought a book, got prompted to upgrade ibooks and did so, and then found out you can not read it.
 
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